Post Match Discussion - Round 23

[old dee 23,118]

The fact that he can take a contested mark and kick the odd goal always helps when playing up forward. I would make the swap if he (Dawes) is staying on...Dawes to CHB. Most likely more effective at spoiling from behind and running straight lines off his opponent.

Sadly Dawes will be a great help at Casey in 2016 nothing more nothing less IMO

[ex52k2 231]

Talked to Pederson on way home yesterday, [he got off train at the G]. He said Frost was right to go this week but they decided to put him away for the year.

So Frost will get a full preseason and be right for next year.

[Gorgoroth 12,369]

Newton will be good for us next year with 90 rotations due to being good up forward as well as on the midfield.

[P-man 13,285]

I'm in Fiji so was only able to follow via here (when it was up) and the live stats. Pumped at the outcome and the highlights I've watched. Harmes' contested marking. Brayshaw's delivery to the forwards. Boy oh boy. Positives galore.

Question on my boy Viv for those who watched. Did he fade in the latter half again or did he put in a four quarter performance?

Cheers. Go you Demons.

[dazzledavey36 49,576]

I'm in Fiji so was only able to follow via here (when it was up) and the live stats. Pumped at the outcome and the highlights I've watched. Harmes' contested marking. Brayshaw's delivery to the forwards. Boy oh boy. Positives galore.

Question on my boy Viv for those who watched. Did he fade in the latter half again or did he put in a four quarter performance?

Cheers. Go you Demons.

4 qtr effort, picked up 6 disposals in the last qtr.

Another to play well again. His hands in tight were sharp and quick.

[What 18,810]

Newton will be good for us next year with 90 rotations due to being good up forward as well as on the midfield.

His finishing ability is great and its nice having another bloke that loves kicking goals.

However he needs to work on his tank and getting more of the footy if hes gonna be part of the midfield rotation.

Edited September 7, 2015 by hogans_heroes

[Bang Bang Bang 5,574]

His finishing ability is great and its nice having another bloke that loves kicking goals.

However he needs to work on his tank and getting more of the footy if hes gonna be part of the midfield rotation.

Newton came to the club with a reputation for hard tackling and contested work. I haven't seen that at all, but think he could be useful as small forward depth. We can't rely on Garlett playing 22 games again next year. He managed a goal a game this year (same amount of goals for the year as Dawes, with less games) and could have kicked 5-6 with better accuracy yesterday. That's where his future lies. He looks substandard as a proper AFL mid.

[rjay 24,099]

The fact that he can take a contested mark and kick the odd goal always helps when playing up forward. I would make the swap if he (Dawes) is staying on...Dawes to CHB. Most likely more effective at spoiling from behind and running straight lines off his opponent.

It would be more his opponent running away from him...the way forward lines are structured these days he doesn't fit at either end of the ground.

[dieter 3,325]

His finishing ability is great and its nice having another bloke that loves kicking goals.

However he needs to work on his tank and getting more of the footy if hes gonna be part of the midfield rotation.

Watched the game today and I thought Newton was one of our weak spots. He kicked some nice goals but he fumbled a lot, dropped marks he should have taken and I see him as a back up player. The player who impressed me was Harmes. Now there's some material to work with. Great, clean hands and a tank and heart to go with it.

I feel sorry for Grimes, ex captain, now just a turnover specialist.

At least we now have some definite A grade talent: Hogan, Vince, Salem, Brayshaw, Jones when he's not just bullocking, and Gawn can be fantastic. Stretch is potentially A grade and Garlett is a friggin genius.

The McDonald boys are exciting: pity about Tom's propensity to pass the ball to the opposition. Mitchie's disposal is very good, hand and foot skills are nearly A grade.

Next year might be fun with Tyson, Frost, Petracca and Trengove to come back. And then there's the icing, that Sherman Tank called Vanden Berg.

[Lucifers Hero 37,407]

Newton came to the club with a reputation for hard tackling and contested work. I haven't seen that at all, but think he could be useful as small forward depth. We can't rely on Garlett playing 22 games again next year. He managed a goal a game this year (same amount of goals for the year as Dawes, with less games) and could have kicked 5-6 with better accuracy yesterday. That's where his future lies. He looks substandard as a proper AFL mid.

Not sure why you compared Garlett to Dawes as Garlett is streets ahead:

Garlett: 22 games, 40 goals, average 1.8.

Career average: 1.7 per game

Dawes: 14 games, 11 goals, average 0.8

Career average: 1.1 per game

souce: MFC website

Jeff kicks 35-45 goals every year and there is no reason why he can't play 22 games for a few years yet.

Dawes can't even get on the park let alone kick goals.

[Gator 16,921]

Watching the replay on FOX with a huge smile.

Salem is an absolute beast. Him Viney and Brayshaw hurting blokes is gonna make me cry.

That's not possible. Stevethemanjordan went to great lengths to convince all and sundry that he's an ectomorph.

[RalphiusMaximus 5,994]

To all those who could have gone to ecky thump yesterday and didn't, thanks. You have cost the DEES at least $200000. THANKS.

You missed a great game with many glimpses of the future..Dont complain about players not turning up for first quarters if cant even be bothered turning up at all.

Pass the bill on to the players who didn't bother showing up for a month.

[mo64 5,267]

His finishing ability is great and its nice having another bloke that loves kicking goals.

However he needs to work on his tank and getting more of the footy if hes gonna be part of the midfield rotation.

Of all the mids on our list (excluding Petracca), Newton seems like the most legitimate forward/mid. He's a player that could add a lot when the team's playing well. And we desperately need players that can hit the scoreboard regularly.

[Gator 16,921]

Like what Dunn has to offer as a CHF with Hogan deep.

Hogan's best position is CHF. Forget worrying about who else can play there.

[dee-eee 231]

It was a dead rubber, at Docklands, against the Giants, on Fathers Day at 1pm after a terrible month of footy.

It was a terrible crowd nut what do people expect?

All that is perfectly logical but is that what supporting your team is all about ? I had a blast . The "terrible" crowd screamed their heads off and I was still buzzing exchanging texts with sister "JUDEE" at 2am !

[Deespicable 2,574]

Bit surprised how everyone has got carried away with what was virtually an exhibition game with both teams playing predominantly kids.

But it was certainly nice to see that our ten players 21 and under more than matched their youngest 10.

It was also nice to see the way that Harmes is progressing - basically his form means we don't have to worry about drafting a small forward this year because we have the following options - Garlett, Vanders, Petracca, Kent and now Harmes and I haven't even had to mention JKH, but I see him as a more likely wing or defender because he lacks explosive pace, but clearly has a good tank.

I had a close look at Tomlinson and Plowman - who we are supposedly keen to recruit.

Tomlinson's disposal was very ordinary to be honest - he is no guarantee of being better than Dawesy.

Plowman showed a bit of pace when on Hoges and may just need a new environment - worth considering if Col was to leave or maybe as a direct swap for Howey.

[Demon Dynasty 16,147]

Sadly Dawes will be a great help at Casey in 2016 nothing more nothing less IMO

im by no means suggesting he is a necessary inclusion OD hence the "if staying on" qualification. Probably should have said if he coninues on and is included in the 22 on match day. If we do the CHB only for mine.

[Je Roos Salem 661]

I think it was a protest on three fronts, one the form of the last month, another about being a home game not at our home ground, and thirdly being smack bang in the middle of Fathers day. No way I was going on the last alone.

The crowd was around what I expected, but I still think it's disappointing that barely a fifth of people who paid for memberships (even though membership numbers aren't very reliable indicators these days) end up coming for the final home game, for whatever reason it may be. That's a lot who've dropped off and I think those who are buying memberships should do so with attending every game in mind. Given our recent history no one should be appalled at how the season has panned out.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

I'm in Fiji so was only able to follow via here (when it was up) and the live stats. Pumped at the outcome and the highlights I've watched. Harmes' contested marking. Brayshaw's delivery to the forwards. Boy oh boy. Positives galore.

Question on my boy Viv for those who watched. Did he fade in the latter half again or did he put in a four quarter performance?

Cheers. Go you Demons.

I'm overseas as well, can't wait to watch the replay.

[Demon Dynasty 16,147]

But it's still a ton of people who paid for a membership and didn't attend our final home (winnable) game. I get how emotional our fans are but you should be used to disappointment enough (if you are a multiple year member) that you're prepared for a dead rubber in the final round.

To all those who could have gone to ecky thump yesterday and didn't, thanks. You have cost the DEES at least $200000. THANKS.

You missed a great game with many glimpses of the future..Dont complain about players not turning up for first quarters if cant even be bothered turning up at all.

So both of you would prefer we have a super turn out to encourage the AFL to schedule more games for us at that drop kick of a stadium!

Thank goodness the vast majority of our fans voted with their feet and had more sense. We are already losing the battle for the G as our home ground for the bulk of our home games and have the blues chomping at the bit to play more of their home games at the G also.

Best result for the long term interests of the club. Hopefully that will put an end to anymore home games at that [censored] hole

[rjay 24,099]

Hogan's best position is CHF. Forget worrying about who else can play there.

I would say there is no such position anymore.

[dazzledavey36 49,576]

Bit surprised how everyone has got carried away with what was virtually an exhibition game with both teams playing predominantly kids.

But it was certainly nice to see that our ten players 21 and under more than matched their youngest 10.

It was also nice to see the way that Harmes is progressing - basically his form means we don't have to worry about drafting a small forward this year because we have the following options - Garlett, Vanders, Petracca, Kent and now Harmes and I haven't even had to mention JKH, but I see him as a more likely wing or defender because he lacks explosive pace, but clearly has a good tank.

I had a close look at Tomlinson and Plowman - who we are supposedly keen to recruit.

Tomlinson's disposal was very ordinary to be honest - he is no guarantee of being better than Dawesy.

Plowman showed a bit of pace when on Hoges and may just need a new environment - worth considering if Col was to leave or maybe as a direct swap for Howey.

Honestly Tomlinson played like a player that wanted to get out of that club as soon as the siren went at the end.

[Je Roos Salem 661]

So both of you would prefer we have a super turn out to encourage the AFL to schedule more games for us at that drop kick of a stadium!

Thank goodness the vast majority of our fans voted with their feet and had more sense. We are already losing the battle for the G as our home ground for the bulk of our home games and have the blues chomping at the bit to play more of their home games at the G also.

Best result for the long term interests of the club. Hopefully that will put an end to anymore home games at that [censored] hole

I get that argument

Most disappointingly was that it had to be R23 against GWS as that's a pretty big slap in the face to our members from the AFL.

I recall..I think it was when the 2013 fixture was released, the club was vocal with disdain for the AFL after they scheduled a home game at Etihad when they had specifically requested not to be given one. However we were quiet the next year when we got another Etihad home game and I'm guessing it had something to do with the AFL handout we received beforehand. So you can imagine the club feels at the AFL's mercy now when it comes to scheduling, so I'm not sure if we can avoid another game there next year

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Given our recent history no one should be appalled at how the season has panned out. the fact that nobody turns up

[Gator 16,921]

I would say there is no such position anymore.

You can say it, but I disagree.