John Burns, alleged racial abuse Friday night.

[mofo 21]

Sorry if this has been mentioned on other threads, but is this guy a MFC supporter? Im not very familiar with Melbourne radio so I don't know much about him. I would hate if this sort of thing gets associated with our club.

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,654]

No but had read a guest of a Richmond function was being investigated for calling Houli a terrorist.

Article never mention MFC or whether a Melbourne fan, though from it I got the impression that he wasn't.

[daisycutter 29,616]

Sorry if this has been mentioned on other threads, but is this guy a MFC supporter? Im not very familiar with Melbourne radio so I don't know much about him. I would hate if this sort of thing gets associated with our club.

he's a very well known radio man on the popular 3aw morning session with ross stevenson and well known as a demon supporter. his style is comedic. he is an ex barrister.

he was with steve price at the richmond ground

he claims he has no memory of saying any such comment and steve price also claims no memory

[Leoncelli_36 2,264]

aka Sir Lunchalot wasn't he? Before he replaced Dean Banks on 3AW he was a guest of the program. Pretty sure he is a Dees supporter.

[Nasher 33,616]

Ah, the old "I don't remember saying that" defence. Just enough denial to avoid owning up to your own actions, but can still claim you didn't lie about it when it's proven you did say it. The ultimate weasle words.

[ManDee 7,148]

Ah, the old "I don't remember saying that" defence. Just enough denial to avoid owning up to your own actions, but can still claim you didn't lie about it when it's proven you did say it. The ultimate weasle words.

I think this constitutes a well written apology. Not a denial.

From http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-27/richmonds-bachar-houli-allegedly-villified-as-terrorist

"It has been suggested to me that during a conversation with my friend, I was overheard saying something which that person found offensive," Burns said in a statement.

"I have no recollection of making an offensive remark.

"However, I acknowledge that a complaint has been made and the idea that something I've said has offended someone is mortifying to me.

"If I have said anything that has offended anybody, I unreservedly apologise. In particular, to the people at the match and the Richmond Football Club."

[daisycutter 29,616]

Ah, the old "I don't remember saying that" defence. Just enough denial to avoid owning up to your own actions, but can still claim you didn't lie about it when it's proven you did say it. The ultimate weasle words.

maybe

but maybe also said something that was taken out of context

i listen a lot to 3aw breakfast show and it would seem to me to be out of character for burns to say that

so far i haven't heard what the exact words the informant (sitting in front of him) said he overheard

[Nasher 33,616]

I think this constitutes a well written apology. Not a denial.

From http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-27/richmonds-bachar-houli-allegedly-villified-as-terrorist

"It has been suggested to me that during a conversation with my friend, I was overheard saying something which that person found offensive," Burns said in a statement.

"I have no recollection of making an offensive remark.

"However, I acknowledge that a complaint has been made and the idea that something I've said has offended someone is mortifying to me.

"If I have said anything that has offended anybody, I unreservedly apologise. In particular, to the people at the match and the Richmond Football Club."

Fair enough. In that context, I agree.

[Biffen 12,943]

In retrospect I should have known but you would never think an AFL player could find the time.

i hope the AFP deal with him immediately.

Well done 3AW!

[dazzledavey36 54,938]

They said prominent media figure when the allegation was first leaked.

Who the F is this guy???

[daisycutter 29,616]

They said prominent media figure when the allegation was first leaked.

Who the F is this guy???

3aw breakfast has been the no 1 rated radio breakfast time slot for years and years

not everybody spends all day on fb

[Gorgoroth 12,950]

Is it racial abuse tho?

I would have thought it religious abuse.

If he called him a terrorist due to being Muslim it has nothing to do with his race. Just his religion.

[DeeSpencer 25,708]

3aw breakfast has been the no 1 rated radio breakfast time slot for years and years

not everybody spends all day on fb

You say that like 3AW breakfast radio is a step up.

[Biffen 12,943]

Is it racial abuse tho?

I would have thought it religious abuse.

If he called him a terrorist due to being Muslim it has nothing to do with his race. Just his religion.

Perhaps the guy from 3AW should just be publicly executed then we move on ?

[ManDee 7,148]

Is it racial abuse tho?

I would have thought it religious abuse.

If he called him a terrorist due to being Muslim it has nothing to do with his race. Just his religion.

On the basis that an assumption was made that as he is from a Lebanese family and looks like a terrorist it is racist.

If this can be defended it was a private conversation overheard by someone. Many, if not most of us have said some shocking things in private and in jest. This is not an excuse but perhaps an explanation. I do not think for a moment that it is his belief or that he would ever say that sort of thing in public. Best we let it go.

[Bitter but optimistic 22,239]

maybe

but maybe also said something that was taken out of context

i listen a lot to 3aw breakfast show and it would seem to me to be out of character for burns to say that

so far i haven't heard what the exact words the informant (sitting in front of him) said he overheard

Aaaaaaahhhhhhh!!

[chook fowler 19,459]

I have no trouble coming down hard if abuse is yelled out but I am not so sure what the consequences should be if a private conversation is overheard.

Interested to hear what others think.

[daisycutter 29,616]

You say that like 3AW breakfast radio is a step up.

anything is a step up from fb

[Biffen 12,943]

anything is a step up from fb

BBO is a regular on FB.

Mostly the Japanese sites.

[John Crow Batty 8,863]

If he said it publicly then a witch burning is appropriate. If it was a private thing overheard by a snoop then not an issue. Who said something like "he who casts the first stone" ? I am sure everyone of us would be damned for eternity for a fraction of private FIMD we all do occasionally if made public.

Edited April 27, 2015 by america de cali

[dazzledavey36 54,938]

3aw breakfast has been the no 1 rated radio breakfast time slot for years and years

not everybody spends all day on fb

Yea because we get that up in the country here..

But cheers for the smart ass comment.

[daisycutter 29,616]

Yea because we get that up in the country here..

But cheers for the smart ass comment.

well if you read the previous posts you wouldn't have asked "Who the F is this guy??"

[hardtack 10,537]

If he said it publicly then a witch burning is appropriate. If it was a private thing overheard by a snoop then not an issue. Who said something like "he who casts the first stone" ? I am sure everyone of us would be damned for eternity for a fraction of private FIMD we all do occasionally if made public.

I think this Burns character should definitely be counseled and made to sit down with Houli to discuss the incident and hopefully get himself educated with regards to the inherent wrongfulness of such insensitive racial or religious stereotyping (and we should not be lenient in our views simply because he might be a Dees supporter). On the other hand, the dolt that brought this to the press' attention has managed to turn an idiotic and insensitive comment from what would appear to have been a private conversation between two people, into a full blown public vilification of Houli. Two wrongs will never make a right.

[DeeSpencer 25,708]

I have no trouble coming down hard if abuse is yelled out but I am not so sure what the consequences should be if a private conversation is overheard.

Interested to hear what others think.

If it's loud enough to hear then you have the right to ask security to request that person to be removed because you shouldn't have to hear other peoples thoughts if they cross the line.

If the person is famous then they can be publicly shamed.

The issue here is that we have a he said, she said situation and it sounds like Steven Price is the witness in defence of Burns and probably the person reporting the incident has someone on their side as well.

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,395]

maybe

but maybe also said something that was taken out of context

i listen a lot to 3aw breakfast show and it would seem to me to be out of character for burns to say that

so far i haven't heard what the exact words the informant (sitting in front of him) said he overheard

Well said DC, so he must of said it because someone lurking overheard half a conversation.