THE ESSENDON 34: ON TRIAL

[daisycutter 29,797]

I dislike essendope MORE. Than I dislike Collingwood.

you some kinda filth-lover? get a grip, that's impossible. equally maybe - qed

[Ted Lasso 19,549]

As soon as I posted that I felt dirty, I apologise.

[biggestred 5,193]

Im with sir paul roos on this one.

Collingwood may be filth but they havent treated the entire competition with utter contempt for the last 4 years.

Not to mention the way they won a certain grand final - its not like they wouldnt have won anyway

Edited February 13, 2015 by biggestred

[biggestred 5,193]

And collingwood fans may be retarded but at least they arent arrogant

[Longsufferingnomore 1,653]

Im with sir paul roos on this one.

Collingwood may be filth but they havent treated the entire competition with utter contempt for the last 4 years.

Not to mention the way they won a certain grand final - its not like they wouldnt have won anyway

Yes they do. We all exist only because of Co$$$$$wood.

[daisycutter 29,797]

Im with sir paul roos on this one.

Collingwood may be filth but they havent treated the entire competition with utter contempt for the last 4 years.

Not to mention the way they won a certain grand final - its not like they wouldnt have won anyway

no, not 4 years, try 40 years and more

[ILLDieADemon 804]

This hole thing reminds me of an episode of COPS, when they catch a guy and there's crack in his car. His all like "I don't know wear that crack came from man, this isn't my car. I'm just driving it for a friend".

EFC are just acting dumb about this hole situation like they didn't know what they were doing but they knew that what they were doing.

[grazman 7,499]

I think that James Hird and the PM must have taken the same supplements.

Deny everything make counter allegations... and what's that over there!!!

Edited February 13, 2015 by grazman

[daisycutter 29,797]

I think that James Hird and the PM must have taken the same supplements.

Deny everything make counter allegations... and what's that over there!!!

“If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”

― Adolf Hitler

[Wormburner 674]

AFL won't act decisively until ASADA win their case. It is wise for them to keep their powder dry, and let the EFC dig their own hole deeper (and deeper).

If/when the players get a year+ ban, plus further club sanctions, they will leave it to EFC to decide if they will field a team in 2015, if not, the AFL will act to rejig the fixture, and move on with the season, while the EFC appeals... and appeals... gets sued by players, etc.

Gill will be standing well clear when this hits the fan, and wisely too.

The AFL are doing everything in their power to ensure that the players get nothing more than a slap across their wrist Edited February 13, 2015 by Wormburner

[Cards13 9,117]

Paul Gallen is playing a game of rugby tonight, with no further penalties hanging over his head. Dons not so "lucky".

[old dee 23,916]

Paul Gallen is playing a game of rugby tonight, with no further penalties hanging over his head. Dons not so "lucky".

We don't know that yet.

Wet tram tickets are still available

[Lucifers Hero 40,434]

This is an outstanding article on the recently departed AFL Commissioner, to be Victoria's Governor, Linda Dessau. Had heard nothing about her except a comment on DL that she is an Esendon supporter.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/first-woman-governor-could-have-been-first-woman-afl-chairman-20150213-13e6s7.html

In reading this part:

"...Dessau...who, with Mostyn, was said to have stood firm and united against her fellow commissioners on at least one pivotal point during the deliberations over how to correctly deal with Essendon for its serious player welfare failings of 2011-12. As the heat intensified, neither woman was prepared to be significantly swayed by a push for a speedier or more expedient result. While the pair often disagree at the commission table they were fiercely as one upon Essendon. For Dessau, the Bombers' behaviour and responses after David Evans' resignation as Essendon chairman certainly affected her relationship with her beloved network. She resigned that year as a judge of the network's Football Woman of the Year and did not attend the now entrenched grand final week women's lunch..."

I realized that she can be very neutral when it comes to ethics and values. That she has left the Ess Womens's network speaks volumes about her integrity. Interesting that it happened after David Evan's was thrown under a bus by Hird!! She obviously knows who the wrong doer really is!!

The article also talks about Dessau being an ideal replacement for Fitzpatrick as Chair of the Commission, in due course. IMO Fitzpatrick's used-by date has expired. He has had too many conflict of interests: Etihad Stadium connections, CFC associations and the non-action on tanking and more recently his back room dealings to involve (I think Wiley) in the EFC saga in 2013.

(This is probably something for another thread but I wonder why AFL Commission members are not voted on by paid up members of the 18 Clubs in the same way shareholders vote for seats on a company Board. Time to overhaul the commission perhaps? As I said a subject for another thread)

Looks like we have lost a top operator in Dessau and I just hope that the AFL don't choose a sycophant (male or female) to tow the party line in Commission meetings to replace her.

Edited February 13, 2015 by Lucifer's Hero

[hoopla 418]

Just to push the boundaries a little...... If I was the AFL I would come down on Essendon like a tone of bricks. I would be urging, privately or publicly, that the maximum penalty be enforced. I would also be looking for club punishments and for as many as possible to be kicked out of the game. I would do all I could to make the club unworkable. Once it was on its knees I would then suggest they might like to move to Tassie. As a relocated team they could access a large fund to re-establish and get back on their feet..... Break them down, get them to do as I require and what I see as best forthe competition and then build them backup.

Tassie Bombers..... Got a ring to it....

Take a big picture view of this...

A prominent team in a high profile indigenous sport has breached the international doping code - and has attempted to avoid prosecution through a series of challenges to the legality of the investigatory process.

Should the independent Board of Commissioners overseeing that sport take a conciliatory view by imposing a series of short term measures designed to preserve the status quo - or draw a line in the sand and say enough is enough - we need to rise above this - we are withdrawing your licence and handing the 18th licence to a fresh new organisation?

That sport will lose friends - and money - in the short-term - but in the long-term it will be able to hold its head high as a pure competition which doesn't tolerate cheats..

Ultimately - and certainly if WorkSafe prosecute the organisation - that may well be the decision confronting the AFL. If - as we continue to hear - the other 17 clubs are united in their condemnation of the Little Herd Show - it must be getting closer to the Agenda.

The Tassie Bombers hmm....?

[Hulett Packard III 166]

I still ask the question - what happened to the Essendon Football Club's records of what was injected into the players' bodies during 2011/12?

In the absence of a satisfactory response from the players then I am comfortably satisfied that they took TB4 but nobody seems willing to confront this dilemma.

Edited February 14, 2015 by Rose C. G.

[hoopla 418]

I still ask the question - what happened to the Essendon Football Club's records of what was injected into the players' bodies during 2011/12?

In the absence of a satisfactory response from the players then I am comfortably satisfied that they took TB4 but nobody seems willing to confront this dilemma.

Evans was - but Hird shafted him and has bluffed everyone since - except a couple of judges, ASADA - and hopefully the tribunal.

"How to bury your head in the sand, take a full salary ,swan off overseas and take a few blind fans with you!"

He lived in Canberra at one stage didn't he

[Chelly 830]

Latest from Titus O'Reily: AFL announce the Essendon v St Kilda NAB Challenge match to have the Benny Hill music played throughout.

[Willmoy1947 4,167]

Doe anyone have any idea how this shambles legally plays out,including all relevant interests like Worksafe not irrelevant interests like VFLPA.

Is there order in the house?...

[bing181 9,348]

Perhaps interesting (for us) BF post from the Carlton supporter who seems to have direct contact with the case and/or ASADA. He was the one that posted the now-famous/deleted copy of part of the ASADA brief over at Bigfooty:

"There is a view on here that the investigation stopped after the interim report. Obviously that is rubbish. However, it is also rubbish that the investigation stopped after infraction notices were issued. They had enough evidence, in their view, to get a successful outcome but of course they would not stop to attempt to strengthen their case. I am sure, even now, ASADA are still investigating, I understand that they had investigators at Melbourne and my club in the last few days and were interviewing individuals at those clubs."

[biggestred 5,193]

was always a possibility they would come and ask us questions, given dank was in contact with our doctor and that trengove visited Alavi's chemist.

i would hope that our club would handle itself totally differently to essendon - as well as have records of who took what and when.

not to mention the fact that we sacked the doc the second we found out he had been talking to dank!

[Ted Lasso 19,549]

When Simon Goodwin first interviewed with us he was very honest, ASADA would realise it's in his best interests to continue to do so.

[Whispering_Jack 30,946]

Perhaps interesting (for us) BF post from the Carlton supporter who seems to have direct contact with the case and/or ASADA. He was the one that posted the now-famous/deleted copy of part of the ASADA brief over at Bigfooty:

"There is a view on here that the investigation stopped after the interim report. Obviously that is rubbish. However, it is also rubbish that the investigation stopped after infraction notices were issued. They had enough evidence, in their view, to get a successful outcome but of course they would not stop to attempt to strengthen their case. I am sure, even now, ASADA are still investigating, I understand that they had investigators at Melbourne and my club in the last few days and were interviewing individuals at those clubs."

Problem with that is that previously it was reported that Melbourne had been investigated and cleared. The allegation regarding Jack Trengove was that he had been implicated because Dank had recommended a cream containing AOD9604 which ASADA CEO has subsequently informed would not be the subject of further investigation so the above claim sounds a bit suss to me.

[daisycutter 29,797]

Problem with that is that previously it was reported that Melbourne had been investigated and cleared. The allegation regarding Jack Trengove was that he had been implicated because Dank had recommended a cream containing AOD9604 which ASADA CEO has subsequently informed would not be the subject of further investigation so the above claim sounds a bit suss to me.

and it seems asada aren't bothering chasing the bummers over aod anyway

Edited February 14, 2015 by daisycutter

[Ted Lasso 19,549]

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-18/holmes-afl-spring-clean/5031326

Old article but can anyone clarify what happened with this?

[biggestred 5,193]

Players Sourcing supplements themselves doesnt mean they were sourcing wada non compliant supplements!