Potential Trades [Warning: Reading this thread may self-destruct]

[nutbean 8,837]

I would be very happy with Brayshaw and McCartin, both look ready made to me.

Whilst I like the looks of many of the juniors if history tells us anything ( and not only for the MFC but for all the clubs) is the chances of players being "ready made" are low. The number of players who come in and make a huge impact in season one as opposed to the number of players drafted is small. The highlight packages we see are those boys playing against their own age. Even some experience in the WAFL and SANFL is not a sure sign as these comps are well below the pace and intensity of AFL.

Holding on to the belief that getting two highly rated junior midfielders into our club will have this huge impact for us next year will probably end in tears.

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,159]

I really hope we don't use pick 23 on Lumumba.

Pick 33 would be fine.

We used a mid 20's pick on Vince.

Lumumba is an All Australian, 200 gamer, premiership player, consitent top 5 in the best and fairest.

One could argue that Lumumba is of the equal of Vince in terms of market value.

I think you're being a bit greedy.

Edited October 6, 2014 by Bring-Back-Powell

[nutbean 8,837]

Whilst I like the looks of many of the juniors if history tells us anything ( and not only for the MFC but for all the clubs) is the chances of players being "ready made" are low. The number of players who come in and make a huge impact in season one as opposed to the number of players drafted is small. The highlight packages we see are those boys playing against their own age. Even some experience in the WAFL and SANFL is not a sure sign as these comps are well below the pace and intensity of AFL.

Holding on to the belief that getting two highly rated junior midfielders into our club will have this huge impact for us next year will probably end in tears.

Of the top 20 last year - you could argue that Bontempelli was the only year one player had a big impact year one. To a lesser extent Aish, McDonald, Kolodjashnij , Billings, Dunstan showed they will be good players and played some reasonable football but big impact in year one ( the likes of Tyson at our club ?). The rising star Taylor was drafted at 28.

[rjay 23,909]

Of the top 20 last year - you could argue that Bontempelli was the only year one player had a big impact year one. To a lesser extent Aish, McDonald, Kolodjashnij , Billings, Dunstan showed they will be good players and played some reasonable football but big impact in year one ( the likes of Tyson at our club ?). The rising star Taylor was drafted at 28.

I would say Aish and Dunstan had a big impact, Dunstan only curtailed by injury at the end of the season. I would expect Brayshaw to be similar in impact to Dunstan, strong, big body and ready to go. McDonald stepped straight into a preliminary finalist and played like a pro from year one.

[nutbean 8,837]

I would say Aish and Dunstan had a big impact, Dunstan only curtailed by injury at the end of the season. I would expect Brayshaw to be similar in impact to Dunstan, strong, big body and ready to go. McDonald stepped straight into a preliminary finalist and played like a pro from year one.

Subjective - but don't necessarily disagree.

I think that the message is that you "hope" an untried TAC player will impact whereas we had insight into Dom Tyson - he had a couple of preseasons and showed he was at home with the pace of AFL ( albeit copping a few injuries).

People who are just expecting that Brayshaw/Petracca will waltz in and be stand outs in our midfield from day one (like Tyson was) may want to lower those expectations a tad. That is not to say that they will not be fine footballers but maybe not world beaters from day one.

Edited October 6, 2014 by nutbean

[picket fence 15,150]

Is Bontempelli worth a stab for pick 3??

[pitchfork 181]

Subjective - but don't necessarily disagree.

I think that the message is that you "hope" an untried TAC player will impact whereas we had insight into Dom Tyson - he had a couple of preseasons and showed he was at home with the pace of AFL ( albeit copping a few injuries).

People who are just expecting that Brayshaw/Petracca will waltz in and be stand outs in our midfield from day one (like Tyson was) may want to lower those expectations a tad. That is not to say that they will not be fine footballers but maybe not world beaters from day one.

I'd be really surprised if in the event St Kilda decided they were taking one of Petracca/Brayshaw that we kept both picks. Roosy has stated that there's too much uncertainty picking a TAC tall.

We know Roosy doesn't gift games and, assuming the scouting report says they're guns, in a perfect world he would take both. I think the determination will be, can we take both and ensure a really competitive environment to develop these guys to the max. If the answer is no, they'll try and move one of those, but it's hard to see a trade that (touch wood) is as lucrative as the Tyson deal coming our way again.

[pitchfork 181]

Is Bontempelli worth a stab for pick 3??

we'll be laughed at. Looks a certain star and, even though he was pick 4 last year, the degree of confidence in that assessment along with his age would suggest he's worth more.

[Moonshadow 16,173]

Is Bontempelli worth a stab for pick 3??

About as likely as us trading Tyson or Viney.

[Mad_Melbourne 872]

at the end of the day if we are going to trade picks 2 & 3 it will be for an out an out superstar with 7+ years so no older than 25. The problem with this is that clubs ideally want to keep their superstars (obviously), so due to this i have given up hope in trading off both for Danger. But I can still see a trade working out with the bulldogs for pick 2 or 3 and their pick 6. This still gives us the option for a quality mid (either pick 3 or pick 6) and if McCartin is available for the Dogs, Wright may well be available with pick 6. This gives us a win/win situation as well as securing a midfield talent to add to the ranks.

That said, if we bring in Lumumba, Frost and possibly Schroder/Burbury as well as two of Petracca/Brayshaw/McCartin/Wright, it does put us into a good position to develop.

Lumumba and Frost fill needs.

Schroder and Burbury add depth to both midfield/fwd stocks

those 4 look set to be the best acquisitions of the draft and are definite needs for our list.

[Oneday 248]

I was laughing so hard I nearly fell off my chair at work. Essendrug asking for one of either Hartlett, Wines or Wingard in the Ryder trade!

[Moonshadow 16,173]

I was laughing so hard I nearly fell off my chair at work. Essendrug asking for one of either Hartlett, Wines or Wingard in the Ryder trade!

Essendon have always been delusional to trade with. No idea.

[Jaded No More 57,824]

Essendon are so stupid, they'll blow the trade and Ryder will use his clause to get out and they'll end up with nothing.

They are a bunch of arrogant delusional fools. Pick 16 is a good trade when you are facing legal charges that can see a mass walkout of players.

[rjay 23,909]

Subjective - but don't necessarily disagree.

I think that the message is that you "hope" an untried TAC player will impact whereas we had insight into Dom Tyson - he had a couple of preseasons and showed he was at home with the pace of AFL ( albeit copping a few injuries).

People who are just expecting that Brayshaw/Petracca will waltz in and be stand outs in our midfield from day one (like Tyson was) may want to lower those expectations a tad. That is not to say that they will not be fine footballers but maybe not world beaters from day one.

I think Brayshaw will stand up from the get go but I wouldn't expect any of the draftees to do a Tyson. I always expected Tyson be a big win for the club, I'm not sure there is that player out there this year. One that I can think of is Tomlinson from GWS but so I've been told on here he is not moving.

[picket fence 15,150]

we'll be laughed at. Looks a certain star and, even though he was pick 4 last year, the degree of confidence in that assessment along with his age would suggest he's worth more.

Ok Pick 3 and two of either Strauss, Blease, Tapscott!

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

Essendon are so stupid, they'll blow the trade and Ryder will use his clause to get out and they'll end up with nothing.

They are a bunch of arrogant delusional fools. Pick 16 is a good trade when you are facing legal charges that can see a mass walkout of players.

Yep.

I think they still have draft sanctions this year, so pick 16 will get them back into the first round.

If it was me I'd take the deal. Seems likely they'll lose him for nothing otherwise, and the risk of losing other players if Ryder walks and sets a precedent is much too high.

[Ethan Tremblay 28,388]

I was laughing so hard I nearly fell off my chair at work. Essendrug asking for one of either Hartlett, Wines or Wingard in the Ryder trade!

Surely that has to be a joke.

[nutbean 8,837]

Ok Pick 3 and two of either Strauss, Blease, Tapscott!

I thought you wanted the dogs to trade us Bontempelli not scare them away.

[Moonshadow 16,173]

Ok Pick 3 and two of either Strauss, Blease, Tapscott!

In order for them to take Strauss, Blease and Tappy we'd probably need to give them both 2 and 3.

[DeeZee 6,732]

We have been awful quiet so far.....makes think there is something big brewing........my guess is Dangerfield, Mitchell , Beams or even a Shiel, or Treloar ,Frost deal.

If not , well, I'll be happy with picks 2 and 3....two of Brayshaw, McCartin or Petracca.

[Dwight Schrute 16,751]

I'd say we should chase Ryder but Sarandon would demand picks 2 and 3 and Nathan Jones

[jumbo returns 6,488]

Walker dropped off the map?

[BarnDee 284]

We used a mid 20's pick on Vince.

Lumumba is an All Australian, 200 gamer, premiership player, consitent top 5 in the best and fairest.

One could argue that Lumumba is of the equal of Vince in terms of market value.

I think you're being a bit greedy.

greed is good !

[Jaded No More 57,824]

At the end of the day we are in a great position.

Either we trade for a big name, or we go into the draft and pick up 2 young good mids.

No wonder Roosy is off to Hawaii. He'll be sipping those cocktails relaxed in the knowledge that we've won trade week.

[Redleg 37,582]

At the end of the day we are in a great position.

Either we trade for a big name, or we go into the draft and pick up 2 young good mids.

No wonder Roosy is off to Hawaii. He'll be sipping those cocktails relaxed in the knowledge that we've won trade week.

Or one good mid and one good KPF.