Is the Tank alive?

[spirit of norm smith 16,307]

This is a dead issue.

Picking Nicho & Barry is tanking. They were average last week for Casey

[Tony Tea 2,806]

This is a dead issue.

Picking Nicho & Barry is tanking. They were average last week for Casey

Trouble is there were two mandatory replacements, but no one at Casey really deserved a promotion.

[Demon Disciple 12,069]

Is the tank alive? I'd be watching Carlton very closely for the rest of the year, they might try and get away with it again.

[Bedraggled Dee 336]

Can anyone tell me what tanking is?

I have never been able to come up with a definition.

Its not throwing games because that would require the players to be involved in match fixing.

If it is playing players out of position or restricting interchanges then we are guilty this year. Is it just any of these thngs when you are in a position to get the wooden spoon?

The only thing I can up with is tanking when the club administration doesnt mind loosing irrelevant games if that means a better draft pick. While that on its own is common to all bottom 2 or 3 clubs each season there has to be some action that gives effect to that desire that constitutes tanking.

[Tony Tea 2,806]

Tanking is playing Frawley at full forward and Howe at full back. You know, like last week.

[monoccular 17,415]

Is the tank alive? I'd be watching Carlton very closely for the rest of the year, they might try and get away with it again.

well, they have got away with it two or maybe three times already. I wonder if Brock will "spill the beans"?

[dee-luded 2,959]

Of course the tank is alive. It's just a matter of how alive. The medical name is "album procuratio". Most clubs exhibit minor symptoms, but Melbourne was covered in a self inflicted livid rash.

Alive!

Of course its alive, staying the course; & alive & miss kicking. Cotchin outa be swabbed. Malthouse is baking a 9 yr old pie out at princess park, sorry a 2005 model pie season. Going into the lucky Dip, at end of season

[dee-luded 2,959]

Tanking is playing Frawley at full forward and Howe at full back. You know, like last week.

Howe had to be taught to play accountable football, & he's now doing a good job of it. frawley is well, half in, half out.

[Whispering_Jack 29,814]

There is no priority pick.

How very true but as long as there's a better pick available for coming last or second last, what evil is there for a club that drops a game here or there and gets the prized draft picks?

In any event, I think the Doggies game sealed our fate. I'm absolutely convinced that Melbourne tanked its game against the Western Bulldogs and that in a few years time we'll be investigated, have a few show-cause notices thrown at us and eventually fined and sanctioned over this godawful mess.

That last goal from Marcus Bontempelli that won the game for the Dogs was truly a Jordan McMahon moment. And those injuries to Daniel Cross and Tom McDonald were just a little too convenient for my liking because we surely would have won had they played. With Tommy out, were we really forced to move Spud Frawley out of attack leaving a slightly out of form Chris Dawes as our only marking forward? Why not move Jumping Jeremy Howe up there to take the big grab? And why was JKH languishing out at Casey Fields when he was the matchwinner with three goals at Etihad when the Dees won their NAB Cup game there earlier in the year. I wonder if anyone noticed the look on Peter Jackson's face about five minutes after the final siren sounded? Did I detect a faint smile? Was there a meeting at the club involving welfare officers and recruiting staff to discuss the tactics, strategies and team plays during which a club official made a comment about Zulus in a moment of levity?

Quick. Let's get onto the blower to give Robbo a scoop for AFL360 and a double page spread for a future edition of the Herald Sun. The tank is definitely on again!

[Earl Hood 6,082]

well, they have got away with it two or maybe three times already. I wonder if Brock will "spill the beans"?

Yes tanking is when Brock McLean blows the whistle, not when an assistant coach like Libba calls it on Carlton or their former way word full forward, the Fev writes about it in his book. But then we were not done for tanking, just that we were thinking about it or something. At the end of the day Bailey apparently didn't pick some players on game day that he should have. Of course all the top clubs are able to do that with impunity but not us. Best you talk to Caroline Wilson.

[Little Richard 6,262]

Is the tank alive? I'd be watching Carlton very closely for the rest of the year, they might try and get away with it again.

St Kilda will be the side to watch. With so many older players on the way out they'll be doing all they can to better their picks.

[Earl Hood 6,082]

St Kilda will be the side to watch. With so many older players on the way out they'll be doing all they can to better their picks.

Keep a close eye on West Coke as well. They are masters at the art.

[Lucifers Hero 39,620]

Is this an admission of Tanking?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/saints-may-trade-their-top-pick-20140718-zuobl.html

6 games till EOS and only 1 game (+%) behind BL and us and Saints are talking of trading their #1 pick!!!! To add to this they are going to request a PP.

Sinking to the bottom is a deliberate, much advertised strategy to re-build. The gaul to request a PP and the hubris around having the #1 pick are just shocking. Such a strategy smacks of rorting the system.

Edited July 18, 2014 by Lucifer's Hero

[What 18,810]

Is this an admission of Tanking?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/saints-may-trade-their-top-pick-20140718-zuobl.html

6 games till EOS and only 1 game (+%) behind BL and us and Saints are talking of trading their #1 pick!!!! To add to this they are going to request a PP.

Sinking to the bottom is a deliberate, much advertised strategy to re-build. The gaul to request a PP and the hubris around having the #1 pick are just shocking. Such a strategy smacks of rorting the system.

LOL they played in a grand final what, 3 years ago?

What a joke of a club if they are applying for a PP

[Ted Lasso 19,343]

If 33 wins in 7 years doesn't get you one, the priority pick is dead, I hope pj puts it to the AFL if another team gets one

[Lucifers Hero 39,620]

If 33 wins in 7 years doesn't get you one, the priority pick is dead, I hope pj puts it to the AFL if another team gets one

Agreed. It is the gaul to ask for one that is shocking.

[DemonFrog 1,354]

No one ever gets done for tanking

[Red and Bluebeard 2,083]

Correct, DF. We got done for not tanking :-)

[TheoX 1,222]

Is this an admission of Tanking?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/saints-may-trade-their-top-pick-20140718-zuobl.html

6 games till EOS and only 1 game (+%) behind BL and us and Saints are talking of trading their #1 pick!!!! To add to this they are going to request a PP.

Sinking to the bottom is a deliberate, much advertised strategy to re-build. The gaul to request a PP and the hubris around having the #1 pick are just shocking. Such a strategy smacks of rorting the system.

Imagine the Saints asking for a PP after playing in 3 GF's in the last 5 years and voting that we don't get one last year.

[Sir Why You Little 36,990]

What a disgrace the Aints are

Fight this PJ.

[deanox 9,902]

I don't mind them applying.

It allows us to apply as well and it will demonstrate two completely different cases and subsequently emphasise how much we need it and they don't.

I expect their application is emphatically debited and they are told to come back in 5 years.

On the other hand, the fact that the saints have the gall to apply probably goes to show that the reason we didn't get one last year was political not based on any genuine justification.

Edited July 18, 2014 by deanox

[Jerry Lundergard 420]

Tanking in the AFL is fools gold and we are the perfect example of this.

Its not like basketball where 1 player on a court of 5 can make a huge difference, and with the draft age being a 1 year less or greater on most top end picks its even more of a lottery on how they will develop, which is why you get so may players from lower in the draft or rookies who turn out to be superstars as opposed to the NBA.

I couldn't care less whether we pick at 1,2 or 3 or 7,8 or 9. It seems to me it really doesn't make that much of a difference, unless you have multiple picks in that top 10.

So if clubs want to tank to get picks, good luck to them.

Edited July 19, 2014 by Jerry Lundergard

[TheoX 1,222]

Tanking in the AFL is fools gold and we are the perfect example of this.

Its not like basketball where 1 player on a court of 5 can make a huge difference, and with the draft age being a 1 year less or greater on most top end picks its even more of a lottery on how they will develop, which is why you get so may players from lower in the draft or rookies who turn out to be superstars as opposed to the NBA.

I couldn't care less whether we pick at 1,2 or 3 or 7,8 or 9. It seems to me it really doesn't make that much of a difference, unless you have multiple picks in that top 10.

So if clubs want to tank to get picks, good luck to them.

The Hawks and Pies tanked for priority picks, and won flags for their trouble. Difference is they picked players like Buddy, Roughy, Thomas and Pendles.

[deanox 9,902]

The Hawks and Pies tanked for priority picks, and won flags for their trouble. Difference is they picked players like Buddy, Roughy, Thomas and Pendles.

And I'd argue that is also about luck (ie was that year a good draft).

We have had the misfortune of having high picks in poor drafts. Combined with all the other arguments about development and poor drafting from pick 15 to 30 of course, but we haven't had luck at the pointy ends.

[TheoX 1,222]

And I'd argue that is also about luck (ie was that year a good draft).

We have had the misfortune of having high picks in poor drafts. Combined with all the other arguments about development and poor drafting from pick 15 to 30 of course, but we haven't had luck at the pointy ends.

Yeah agree, the Hawks had heaps of early picks and blew some too on the likes of Dowler, Thorp and Ellis (though he was great in the 2008 flag)