Bombers scandal: charged, <redacted> and <infracted>

[dee-luded 2,959]

I don't blame him I like them myself

I wish I could get someone to pay me a million to sit in France and eat croissant

maybe thats the payoff, for taking the hit quietly ??????????

[dee-luded 2,959]

James was right...he will be in a good place when the truth comes out...

hmmn, the South Coast of France & the Beaujolais Region, for their Summer? & Megeve for some winter fun & Xmas.

[dee-luded 2,959]

History will tell that Hird was the one armed man on the grassy nole.

wearing a beanie, monacle sites, & a bookload of ammunition ready to fire off.

[monoccular 17,607]

Hopefully HIRD will Get It, in the End... at a later Date.

Are you perhaps suggesting that were he to be jailed for his involvement in this heinous breach of workplace responsibility he may not find it an altogether pleasant experience? Maybe he will seek political assylum in France.

[jnrmac 20,207]

The players still have an out. They respond to the show cause notices saying:

"I do not know if I was injected with a banned substance. I was assured all substances were legal according to WADA. I asked my doctor to check and he assured me they did. I asked for that in writing, and it was provided. I believe I did my due dilligence to ensure any substance administered was legal according to the WADA code. If it is proved that I was administered a banned substance this is through no fault of my own and I went above and beyond what I normally would to ensure the substane was legal."

I'm not sure that is right. Let me give you a scenario. I am a Chinese swimmer. My doctor tells me to take special natural supplements. I check with my Doctor who says "you are fine to take these". I train like mad and win an Olympic gold medal. I am the pride of my nation.

Then it turns out my doctor has been ordering illegal substances from a chemist. My doctor has correspondence with my coach saying in effect "we got the good stuff because we are going for an olympic gold medal." "Hey you had better get swimmer x to sign a consent form". My swim team has an unprecedented number of soft tissue injuries.

My swimming association makes a statement saying they have been giving swimmers supplements. They don't know what the substances are but they could be illegal. The coach we employed has a chequered past and we don't have records of what he gave our swimmers. I am accused of taking banned substances. I plead my innocence. I did everything in my power to check the substances were WADA compliant.

I lose my gold medal.

Is there another alternative that doesn't sully the sport?

[beelzebub 23,388]

hmmn, the South Coast of France & the Beaujolais Region, for their Summer? & Megeve for some winter fun & Xmas.

looks ok to me

[John Crow Batty 8,879]

We should start calling James Hird "Jacques Hird" now. Jacques is the French equivalent for James is it not?

Edited June 24, 2014 by america de cali

[beelzebub 23,388]

I'm not sure that is right. Let me give you a scenario. I am a Chinese swimmer. My doctor tells me to take special natural supplements. I check with my Doctor who says "you are fine to take these". I train like mad and win an Olympic gold medal. I am the pride of my nation.

Then it turns out my doctor has been ordering illegal substances from a chemist. My doctor has correspondence with my coach saying in effect "we got the good stuff because we are going for an olympic gold medal." "Hey you had better get swimmer x to sign a consent form". My swim team has an unprecedented number of soft tissue injuries.

My swimming association makes a statement saying they have been giving swimmers supplements. They don't know what the substances are but they could be illegal. The coach we employed has a chequered past and we don't have records of what he gave our swimmers. I am accused of taking banned substances. I plead my innocence. I did everything in my power to check the substances were WADA compliant.

I lose my gold medal.

Is there another alternative that doesn't sully the sport?

Players have no real out.

Its incumbent upon them to be aware, to question etc etc etc.

Ignorance or I dont give a f , isnt an out

Giving over complete trust to narcissists isnt either

in fact ...theres just no excuse

[s-t-i-n-g-a 439]

Patrick Smith has just made a monkey out of fellow Australian newspaper employee Chip Le Grand whose articles are nothing more than pro-Essendon agitprop and should be ignored because they are cr@p.

Le Grand sounds French to me...

[beelzebub 23,388]

We should start calling James Hird "Jacques Hird" now. Jacques is the French equivalent for James is it not?

Most players as a result of the efforts of JH and the EFC would be Shattered..... or possibly Chatte-Hird !!!

[John Crow Batty 8,879]

Most players as a result of the efforts of JH and the EFC would be Shattered..... or possibly Chatte-Hird !!!

Your language is fouler than smelly roquefort cheese

[beelzebub 23,388]

Your language is fouler than smelly roquefort cheese

When in Rome....

but en parlant français !!!

[Whispering_Jack 30,949]

Players have no real out.

They do have some outs.

If ASADA can't make out a case to the comfortable satisfaction of the ADRVP they have an out (unless there's a successful appeal to CAS).

If ASADA proves to the comfortable satisfaction of the ADRVP they had TB4 in their system then they have another out but only if they can prove it was injected while they were unconscious and without their knowledge or consent.

Both are highly unlikely.

If anyone wants to trawl back a long way in this thread, it has all been discussed many times before.

There is no evidence of any deals or agreements about the players being absolved and if Essendon or they believed otherwise, they are/were delusional.

To the extent that there was an understanding between the AFL though David Evans about leniency towards the players through self-reporting, neither of those persons are in the positions they previously occupied and the reality is that the current Essendon leadership has burnt its bridges and is seemingly taking its club and its players down in the flames.

It's a tragedy for football that has its beginnings at some time in late 2011 when a decision was made to test the limits of sports science - a bad move that now sees a once proud and well respected club careering out of control.

[beelzebub 23,388]

They do have some outs.

21.1 Roles and Responsibilities of Athletes

21.1.1 To be knowledgeable of and comply with all

applicable anti-doping policies and rules

adopted pursuant to the Code.

I dont think so

[chookrat 4,268]

We should start calling James Hird "Jacques Hird" now. Jacques is the French equivalent for James is it not?

That is an awesome idea

[daisycutter 29,799]

We should start calling James Hird "Jacques Hird" now. Jacques is the French equivalent for James is it not?

i like it......Jaques Le Tird or Jaques III

[Whispering_Jack 30,949]

21.1 Roles and Responsibilities of Athletes

21.1.1 To be knowledgeable of and comply with all

applicable anti-doping policies and rules

adopted pursuant to the Code.

I dont think so

Cop this then -

[biggestred 5,193]

Gillon McLachlan: ASADA has gathered 'a lot' of evidence since interim report was released

[beelzebub 23,388]

and yet the clock still ticks !!

tic

toc

[deanox 10,025]

I'm not sure that is right. Let me give you a scenario. I am a Chinese swimmer. My doctor tells me to take special natural supplements. I check with my Doctor who says "you are fine to take these". I train like mad and win an Olympic gold medal. I am the pride of my nation.

Then it turns out my doctor has been ordering illegal substances from a chemist. My doctor has correspondence with my coach saying in effect "we got the good stuff because we are going for an olympic gold medal." "Hey you had better get swimmer x to sign a consent form". My swim team has an unprecedented number of soft tissue injuries.

My swimming association makes a statement saying they have been giving swimmers supplements. They don't know what the substances are but they could be illegal. The coach we employed has a chequered past and we don't have records of what he gave our swimmers. I am accused of taking banned substances. I plead my innocence. I did everything in my power to check the substances were WADA compliant.

I lose my gold medal.

Is there another alternative that doesn't sully the sport?

I totally agree with this.

As far as I understand the situation, the players cannot be found to have "no fault or negligence". There may be scope for "no significant fault or negligence" which reduces it from 24 to 12 months.

This would be case by case, and ASADA would need to be pretty satisfied that the players did try, they did check but they were tricked. Would it hold up? I'm not sure, but it is conceivable within the rules.

The possible 6 month ban that had been mooted assumes reduction to 12 months for "no significant fault or negligence" then reduction to 6 months for "cooperation".

Right now they have lost any chance of the latter. And by refusing to play ball and respond to show cause notices they are losing any chance of the former.

Edited June 24, 2014 by deanox

[Sydney Pennski 299]

I'm not sure that is right. Let me give you a scenario. I am a Chinese swimmer. My doctor tells me to take special natural supplements. I check with my Doctor who says "you are fine to take these". I train like mad and win an Olympic gold medal. I am the pride of my nation.

Then it turns out my doctor has been ordering illegal substances from a chemist. My doctor has correspondence with my coach saying in effect "we got the good stuff because we are going for an olympic gold medal." "Hey you had better get swimmer x to sign a consent form". My swim team has an unprecedented number of soft tissue injuries.

My swimming association makes a statement saying they have been giving swimmers supplements. They don't know what the substances are but they could be illegal. The coach we employed has a chequered past and we don't have records of what he gave our swimmers. I am accused of taking banned substances. I plead my innocence. I did everything in my power to check the substances were WADA compliant.

I lose my gold medal.

Is there another alternative that doesn't sully the sport?

You miss the point.

This is our game and Aussies don't cheat.

Bwaah. It's ASADA's fault. It's WADA's fault. It's the AFL's fault. It's all wrong, the legal expert says the Dons will win their case (did they mention he's done work for the Bombers in the past and supports them?) and besides, I feel sorry for the players who were just following orders from the golden boy. Should I add that he has such a lovely wife who's good at taking notes?

[bing181 9,348]

i like it......Jaques Le Tird or Jaques III

As someone who lives in France, and speaks French all day, must say I'm enjoying the taking of the proverbial. Continuez ainsi.

[Gorgoroth 13,136]

France deserves Hird, should send all of Essendon over there. Bunch of flogalogs.

[Whispering_Jack 30,949]

Essendon players issued with show cause notices still waiting for ASADA to present evidence

Grant Baker reporting in today's Herald Sun that ASADA hasn't presented any evidence of the case against them. The thing is that their club has instituted proceedings against ASADA which, if successful, would make what they want unnecessary so there's absolutely no hurry whatsoever on the part of ASADA to comply with the request. Of course, the clock continues to tick and if the Bombers fail in the Federal Court, the players will have lost valuable weeks or months in which to serve the minimum penalty of 6 months if it applies. As Gillon McLachlan pointed out on On The Couch, the timeframe for this to be played out is now in the hands of the lawyers.

[beelzebub 23,388]

Funny, might be just me, but I thought it worked.

Player issued show cause..........Players show causes ( or not )

Not other way around