Realistic Future Melbourne Coach

[MadAsHell 4,215]

The AFL will have to come to the party.

I reckon the most we could get out of the AFL would be them helping us pay out Neeld's and a few others contracts in exchange for someone from there sitting in on the appointment of the next coach.

[Key Deefender 143]

i think that of all the available coaches, Roos did the most with the least. his teams played pretty ugly footy though from memory. ross lyon sort of stuff.

Clarkson had has been lucky enough to coach a dreamteam for most of his tenure yet has managed one flag - its hard to be confident he'd achieve much with our list.

its a bit left field but i like Ratten. when his players weren't injured (they were smashed with injuries last year) he was a pretty reasonable coach who the players seemed to play for. like neeld he focused too much on every statistic but the win/loss column, but thats a bit the modern way and i tend to think a 'modern' yet 'experienced' coach might be the best way to go...

A quick but lazy copy and paste from Wikipedia:

Clarkson moved into coaching, first with Werribee in the VFL, followed by roles at St Kilda and Central District where he was a Premiership coach in 2001. In 2003 he became the midfield coach at Port Adelaide and forward coach in 2004.

He was appointed his first senior AFL coaching role at the Hawthorn Football Club for the 2005 season, when the Hawks appointed Clarkson to lead their rebuilding phase. While his side could only manage five wins in his debut season, finishing 14th, 2006 saw the side improve, winning their last four games in a row and taking them to 11th spot on the ladder. The Hawks continued to improve in 2007, winning 13 games and finishing fifth on the Premiership table. This took them into the finals, where they defeated Adelaide in the Elimination Final, before being eliminated in the Semi Final against North Melbourne.

On 13 May 2008, the Hawthorn Football Club announced that Clarkson had signed a contract until the end of 2011. In 2008, Clarkson took the Hawks to second place on the home-and-away ladder, before guiding the team to the premiership with a Grand Final victory against Geelong, a team which had lost only game during that year. In doing so, Clarkson became the first (and, as of 2011, only) coach to ever lead his sides to a Premiership in both the AFL/VFL and the SANFL.

No he built his list - and he took them from near bottom to the top and has kept them thereabouts. A great list sure - but it's his list.

Edited May 28, 2013 by Key Deefender

[Dee1987 277]

Williams and Eade would have to be realistic targets but no way to Denis Pagan Matthew Knights and any other inexperienced coach

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,408]

No they won't, imagine what a look that would be, any time a club finds itself in the same situation in the future, and it will happen, St KIlda say hi, they will expect the same

I'm not the only person thinking it. Another untried coach could spell the end. They don't just throw cash around, they will send in their people to train/guide with ghd hope all clubs can become self sufficient.

[prymke19 42]

The question should be is who is going to ultimately decide our next coach, as we have clearly not got a good track record of picking coaches. Not Gary Lyon and certainly not the board. I trust that the AFL realise we cannot make these appointments by ourselves and allow PJ to run with it. For me, we need a coach who can work a miracle, if not Paul Roos I think someone like Denis Pagan has potential. Our players need life lessons not football lessons right now, a coach who can offer wisdom and get our players out of their current mental state.

[MadAsHell 4,215]

The question should be is who is going to ultimately decide our next coach, as we have clearly not got a good track record of picking coaches. Not Gary Lyon and certainly not the board. I trust that the AFL realise we cannot make these appointments by ourselves and allow PJ to run with it. For me, we need a coach who can work a miracle, if not Paul Roos I think someone like Denis Pagan has potential. Our players need life lessons not football lessons right now, a coach who can offer wisdom and get our players out of their current mental state.

Very good point.

For me the panel should consist of

1. Peter Jackson (CEO)

2. Greg Healey (board member with football background)

3. Don McLardy or Geoff Freeman (either the current or soon to be president)

4. An AFL Delegate of their the AFL's choosing

5. An outsider, Paul Roos if he refuses to take the job or a Leigh Matthews

[Pennant St Dee 13,304]

For those who are talking about wanting Roos or dangling a too good to refuse offer at coach x. Maybe consider that we are about to post a $ 2 million loss and how you intend to pay them next year. All I want is for us to this time do our due dilligence and choose the coach who we think can best motivate and develop our list. In my mind there's just as much argument to say a great recently out of the game like Simon Goodwin or Scott Burns has as much hope as a figurehead like Roos, Eade or Williams.

I said earlier on in the "Time to go Mark Neeld" thread, we should not limit ourselves to a former coach, yes I understand it is a big task and they call for experience but it does not mean another person could not do just as good a job.

Woosha is not tactically gifted never has been and has an inability to change during games. Scotty Burns and Philip Walsh I understand are the tactical brains at Meth Coast. Good win comes with big wraps but so do all potential coaches. Alan Richardson has also been around a long time and been close a few times like Hinkley some say his time has passed but you never know

Whatever we do we must have a panel who leave no stone unturned, take the time and get the process right. I am not decided either way on new or proven I just want what is best for the club

[rjay 25,086]

Very good point.

For me the panel should consist of

1. Peter Jackson (CEO)

2. Greg Healey (board member with football background)

3. Don McLardy or Geoff Freeman (either the current or soon to be president)

4. An AFL Delegate of their the AFL's choosing

5. An outsider, Paul Roos if he refuses to take the job or a Leigh Matthews

No board members thanks.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,909]

No board members thanks.

You mean this particular board, or in general? I would have thought it's hard to make a Board subsequently accountable for something they are not actually involved in.

[rpfc 28,768]

No board members thanks.

How is that going to work?

The have to sanction the f___ing thing, they may aswell know who they are sanctioning.

[thaipantsman 180]

Sumich or Gavin Brown are who Im hoping for.

Please no. Enough of the untried.

Roos, Eade, Thompson ( bomber) northey caretaker if we're lucky enough Neeld resigns immediately.

[thaipantsman 180]

Williams and Eade would have to be realistic targets but no way to Denis Pagan Matthew Knights and any other inexperienced coach

Williams looks to be heart attack material. Just another silly gum chewer. Eade well worth a look.

[Dee1987 277]

Yep absolutely noway to an untried coach we simply don't have time anymore experience or the highway

[What 18,810]

Agree. Williams is some chance I would say.

What do people think about him?

Great coach.

Great communicator.

Great spruiker.

Great personality.

Shuld be our number 1 target.

[Pipefitter 2,168]

Please no. Enough of the untried.

Roos, Eade, Thompson ( bomber) northey caretaker if we're lucky enough Neeld resigns immediately.

They are both extremely experienced. Both were great players. I mentioned this in another thread. How many coaches have coached premierships at 2 different clubs in the modern era? I could only think of Malthouse and Matthews. The rest have been first time coaches. Just because we have failed at choosing a good coach the last 2 times, doesn't mean we have to get an over the hilll experienced coach just for the sake of it.

Are people actually Being serious when bringing up Northeys name? I can't tell if people are joking or not.

Edited May 28, 2013 by Pipefitter

[Flying Cloud 152]

Williams and Eade would have to be realistic targets but no way to Denis Pagan Matthew Knights and any other inexperienced coach

didn't the AFL change the rules in regard to poaching assistant coaches? Does that include directors of coaching?

While I think it would be brilliant to take someone else from Collingwood, do we really want to try another one?

[old dee 23,871]

Please no. Enough of the untried.

Roos, Eade, Thompson ( bomber) northey caretaker if we're lucky enough Neeld resigns immediately.

Whatever you do thaipantsman do not hold your breath!

[Flying Cloud 152]

How many coaches have coached premierships at 2 different clubs in the modern era? .

No coach has won premierships as coach at more than two clubs. Will Malthouse be the first?

[Biffen 12,946]

Grant Thomas or Malcolm Blight .

When the going gets weird ,the weird turn pro.

H.S Thompson.

[autocol 448]

Yes they will and it will be hush hush

Hush hush? How do you hide a couple of million dollars in the publicly available balance sheet?

[Guest]

Clarkson moved into coaching, first with Werribee in the VFL, followed by roles at St Kilda and Central District where he was a Premiership coach in 2001. In 2003 he became the midfield coach at Port Adelaide and forward coach in 2004.

He was appointed his first senior AFL coaching role at the Hawthorn Football Club for the 2005 season, when the Hawks appointed Clarkson to lead their rebuilding phase. While his side could only manage five wins in his debut season, finishing 14th, 2006 saw the side improve, winning their last four games in a row and taking them to 11th spot on the ladder. The Hawks continued to improve in 2007, winning 13 games and finishing fifth on the Premiership table. This took them into the finals, where they defeated Adelaide in the Elimination Final, before being eliminated in the Semi Final against North Melbourne.

On 13 May 2008, the Hawthorn Football Club announced that Clarkson had signed a contract until the end of 2011. In 2008, Clarkson took the Hawks to second place on the home-and-away ladder, before guiding the team to the premiership with a Grand Final victory against Geelong, a team which had lost only game during that year. In doing so, Clarkson became the first (and, as of 2011, only) coach to ever lead his sides to a Premiership in both the AFL/VFL and the SANFL.

Bit off topic but when people ask why some of us think Neeld should go, the above is a pretty good reason why. With Clarko in 2006, while they didn't make the finals, they at least showed something! We, as supporters, don't want world beaters by year 2. Just a bit of improvement and an upside.

[Guest cpfc]

No coach has won premierships as coach at more than two clubs. Will Malthouse be the first?

He already has that achievement. WCE & Coll

[What 18,810]

He already has that achievement. WCE & Coll

More than 2

[DemonOX 8,800]

Hush hush? How do you hide a couple of million dollars in the publicly available balance sheet?

It's called creative accounting autocol.

[RalphiusMaximus 6,088]

I note you don't have Mark Neeld on the list. I think that to be a balanced poll he would have to be included even if you don't rate him as a realistic chance.