Jesse Hogan

[dazzledavey36 52,912]

Thought this was a bit of a positive read I got from demonology regarding his game on the weekend.

I was at the game on Saturday, he missed a couple of easy ones so probably should of had 6. All of his goals came from marks, a couple were on the lead and the rest from strong contested marks.

What I liked most was that I think he has a bit of the Wayne Carey arrogance about him. Had a good old fashion push and shove with an opponent at chf, jogged back to his position at full forward then decided he hadn't had enough so ran back to give the opponent one last shove. Another time he gave Dom Barry a spray for his delivery into to forward line, then followed it up with a 10 second mostly inaudible rant to himself.

Love how he is spending the year at VFL level with no pressure and a chance to work on his game. The guy will be a beast in years to come.

[jazza 1,323]

lets hope, and not put to much pressure on him to be a 21 yo champ and washed up at 22.

next year should be thye reckoning of our list, be positive

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

sounds great dazzledavey but MFC have got jack [censored] chance of keeping him past his first contract. he must be looking on dreaming of playing for the eagles or freo. he will be gone

[Tatu 416]

Lucky he's at Casey.... Doubt he'd get the same amount of chances at goal, playing full forward for the dees.... By the good press this kid gets.... If he is no good by the age of 21, then we know its us.....

[What 18,810]

how were we able to produce to brilliant KPF's in Neitz and Schwarz?

what did we do differently back then than we do now?

time to look back an see what we did right back then, cos our player development has been disgraceful for over a decade now

[Dr. Gonzo 23,739]

how were we able to produce to brilliant KPF's in Neitz and Schwarz?

what did we do differently back then than we do now?

time to look back an see what we did right back then, cos our player development has been disgraceful for over a decade now

They both came up through the Under 19's.

[Nasher 33,607]

sounds great dazzledavey but MFC have got jack shit chance of keeping him past his first contract. he must be looking on dreaming of playing for the eagles or freo. he will be gone

Fark me. If we're going to give up on a player before he is even in his first proper contract, the club may as well fold now.

[PaulRB 6,297]

People moan about how crap we've been at developing our highly ranked kids, but I notice Tom Scully and others at GWS (a club designed to develop it's kids) are also struggling. Maybe getting young players fit and firing in a competition dominated by mature 24+ year olds is difficult and getting harder.

Our problem is not that we are worse at developing kids than other clubs, our problem is we are too reliant on these kids to take us forward rather than our established 24+ year olds...

[Ted Lasso 18,789]

People moan about how crap we've been at developing our highly ranked kids, but I notice Tom Scully and others at GWS (a club designed to develop it's kids) are also struggling. Maybe getting young players fit and firing in a competition dominated by mature 24+ year olds is difficult and getting harder.

Our problem is not that we are worse at developing kids than other clubs, our problem is we are too reliant on these kids to take us forward rather than our established 24+ year olds...

I actually think Tom scully has gone backwards a mile since he was at Melbourne, which is fantastic haha but it must be hard, if the players are drafted to collingwood they learn off swan, thomas, pendelbury,if it's geelong they learn off selwood, bartel, corey, enright, Being able to learn off stars of the game on a daily basis and having their support in the game would make a huge difference.

[brey9186 102]

Also shows Dom Barry played 1's, people were complaining he wasn't in best in the 2's

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

People moan about how crap we've been at developing our highly ranked kids, but I notice Tom Scully and others at GWS (a club designed to develop it's kids) are also struggling. Maybe getting young players fit and firing in a competition dominated by mature 24+ year olds is difficult and getting harder.

Our problem is not that we are worse at developing kids than other clubs, our problem is we are too reliant on these kids to take us forward rather than our established 24+ year olds...

Interesting point. We implement a youth policy just as the game becomes more hostile to developing younger kids by gifting them games.

So maybe the youth strategy we tried would have worked in the 90's, but the game changed and no one noticed until now? I'm trying to think of recent new AFL players that were a little older - Podsiadly, Dickson, Barlow, Zorko, Dwyer. Even Magner had immediate impact before his role was changed. The only young players from last year's draft to play up to AFL standard already are Viney and Wines - both regarded to already possess bodies older than their ages. O'Meara and Crouch both got great benefit from being at their clubs a full season ahead of their first AFL matches (as did Viney).

Hell, Jones is 25 and Terlich is 23 and they both look the goods. Maybe those are the kinds of new players that thrive in this new 'established' environment, where blooding youth early results in lower confidence instead of better development.

It's interesting that at the time, blooding Watts so early wasn't seen as a mistake. It's only now in hindsight that we see that it undermined his confidence. The comments from other coaches at the time (Voss and Malthouse I think?) were very positive towards our list, and no one was telling Bailey he was an idiot for giving early games to kids. Everyone assumed that this would work as it had in the past. Then the game changes and we didn't see it until it's too late.

This is all supposition of course but I find it interesting regardless.

[ICU2 Jerry Jerry 257]

how were we able to produce to brilliant KPF's in Neitz and Schwarz?

what did we do differently back then than we do now?

time to look back an see what we did right back then, cos our player development has been disgraceful for over a decade now

I think the answer lies in having a good midfield. Clean ball from the centre can make ordinary forwards look like guns, or in the case of Neitz and Schwarz make guns into genuine stars

[jumbo returns 6,703]

how were we able to produce to brilliant KPF's in Neitz and Schwarz?

what did we do differently back then than we do now?

time to look back an see what we did right back then, cos our player development has been disgraceful for over a decade now

I'll tell how we developed them....they were bloody good players from the START.

Your pathetic, unsubstantiated, one line sniping is growing very, very tiresome.

[Demon Disciple 11,738]

how were we able to produce to brilliant KPF's in Neitz and Schwarz?

what did we do differently back then than we do now?

time to look back an see what we did right back then, cos our player development has been disgraceful for over a decade now

I do know that both started their careers in the back-line before being moved forward, where they took their games to another level.

[45HG 1,539]

Great thread and great to hear, thanks dd.

[Carn dees 108]

People moan about how crap we've been at developing our highly ranked kids, but I notice Tom Scully and others at GWS (a club designed to develop it's kids) are also struggling. Maybe getting young players fit and firing in a competition dominated by mature 24+ year olds is difficult and getting harder.

Our problem is not that we are worse at developing kids than other clubs, our problem is we are too reliant on these kids to take us forward rather than our established 24+ year olds...

I actually think Tom scully has gone backwards a mile since he was at Melbourne, which is fantastic haha but it must be hard, if the players are drafted to collingwood they learn off swan, thomas, pendelbury,if it's geelong they learn off selwood, bartel, corey, enright, Being able to learn off stars of the game on a daily basis and having their support in the game would make a huge difference

Well said guys, this is exactly what i feel is our biggest problem.

We have no established A graders that can stand up and lead. Instead the whole load is placed on these promising youngsters who have had no guidance to be steered in the right direction, coaches can only do so much but are restricted to mainly off field. Which again highlights the retiring of jmac being a mistake, even Cam Bruce for that matter. As said above most teams have some one to learn under which is also why scully is still struggling in an inexperienced team.

We have recruited some older bodies from other sides but none of them established gun midfielder who are constantly in the thick of things.

[Harrisonrules 273]

Thought this was a bit of a positive read I got from demonology regarding his game on the weekend.

I was at the game on Saturday, he missed a couple of easy ones so probably should of had 6. All of his goals came from marks, a couple were on the lead and the rest from strong contested marks.

What I liked most was that I think he has a bit of the Wayne Carey arrogance about him. Had a good old fashion push and shove with an opponent at chf, jogged back to his position at full forward then decided he hadn't had enough so ran back to give the opponent one last shove. Another time he gave Dom Barry a spray for his delivery into to forward line, then followed it up with a 10 second mostly inaudible rant to himself.

Love how he is spending the year at VFL level with no pressure and a chance to work on his game. The guy will be a beast in years to come.

..please....should have.......NOT should of

[Harrisonrules 273]

sounds great dazzledavey but MFC have got jack [censored] chance of keeping him past his first contract. he must be looking on dreaming of playing for the eagles or freo. he will be gone

Told he barracked for the demons, I'm hanging my hope on that fact...if its true

[Harrisonrules 273]

I do know that both started their careers in the back-line before being moved forward, where they took their games to another level.

My memory was seeing them on the forward line. I remember Schwarta playing his first game in a pre season night game at Waverley. He came on and dropped a mark 30 metres out. What a turn around after that. I can remember Neita circling wide ..as he often did latter ... on the forward line ... in the seconds/reserves.

[What 18,810]

Told he barracked for the demons, I'm hanging my hope on that fact...if its true

would be shocked if that was true

a 17 year old kid from WA that grew up a Demon supporter.. that would be rarer than anything

[Gorgoroth 12,712]

Buddy did

[Pennant St Dee 12,706]

would be shocked if that was true

a 17 year old kid from WA that grew up a Demon supporter.. that would be rarer than anything

He's a Crows fan

Don't worry about the go home factor, get our house in order and have him and Viney & Tumpas developing their current bond into a stronger one and it wont be an isue

[dazzledavey36 52,912]

..please....should have.......NOT should of

Don't shoot the messenger got it of ology...

[olisik 4,060]

We should bring him along on game day and use him as our runner. He can yell at players not putting in.

I am sure they ll pay a bit of attention and want to avoid getting on this kids bad side.

[fired up 77]

how were we able to produce to brilliant KPF's in Neitz and Schwarz?

what did we do differently back then than we do now?

time to look back an see what we did right back then, cos our player development has been disgraceful for over a decade now

It was their mindset, there would not be many on our list that would come back after 3 Knee recos.