Wines or O`Rourke

[cowboy_from_hell 2,390]

I want wines. In regards to having too many inside mids I think that is crap. Players aren't all stupid if they see jones/viney/wines take possession of the ball they will run and spread. Players like Morton and bennell would wait on the outside hoping we would gain possession. They would leave the task of getting the pill to others which would result in us not getting enough first ball usage. The best mids are complete mids not inside or outside but both eg:Watson. That's what we are after. Not a clearance king like Beamer who prided himself on one stat but complete mids. Jones/viney/JT/wines may give us a chance.

[King Kunta 97]

I want wines. In regards to having too many inside mids I think that is crap. Players aren't all stupid if they see jones/viney/wines take possession of the ball they will run and spread. Players like Morton and bennell would wait on the outside hoping we would gain possession. They would leave the task of getting the pill to others which would result in us not getting enough first ball usage. The best mids are complete mids not inside or outside but both eg:Watson. That's what we are after. Not a clearance king like Beamer who prided himself on one stat but complete mids. Jones/viney/JT/wines may give us a chance.

I'm with you CFH, people are also underselling Viney's pace because he is seen as an inside midfielder. The lad is very and agile and has a good turn of pace, not too mention he has a very good fitness base so he will have no problem linking up and breaking lines.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

If he gets taken before our pick I will literally cry! I am loving this idea of the Viney/Wines midfield. Two hard edged inside mids whose toughest critics are themselves and they both thrive on outdoing each other in the physicality stakes, please let this happen football god!

The third part of the trifecta is Jones, he will be determined to stay the number one Mid at Melbourne and you will see him reach for another level next year; he's got a lot of pride and won't want to be relegated to 2nd or 3rd.

BTW I hope beyond hope they take Wines, but don't be surprised if it's O'Rourke.

Edited October 29, 2012 by RobbieF

[stranga 328]

Just watched the O'Rourke highlights video on AFL.com and i think this discussion is definitely worth reopening. While not as tough as Wines, he still wins the ball and his skills and creativity look top class in the video. Definitely a Pendlebury clone. Tough decision imo.

http://draftmachine.afl.com.au/

Edited November 8, 2012 by stranga

[Lord Travis 10,184]

I was one of the few on here not just blindly saying we should take Wines. I still think O'Rourke will be a better player, and is more rounded. People should watch his highlights video to see him read the play, break away from packs and hit up pinpoint kicks. That is one of the key things we lack, and when I look at our midfield at present I don't see where else this skill will come from. He'd fit in well at our club because of this.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

Judd did.

Was approved by the AFL weather we like it or not.......

[rjay 23,927]

Stringer? if he slides down the order there will be a lot of "Darling" questions asked sometime next year.

[Guest José Mourinho]

Wines or O'Rourke? Watson or Pendlebury?

Can't lose really.

I'll put my faith in the footy dept.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

Wines or O'Rourke? Watson or Pendlebury?

Can't lose really.

I'll put my faith in the footy dept.

You've compared Wines and O'rourke to Watson and Pendlebury? Do tell me Jose', what happened to a past number 4 draft pick we had not three weeks back? I remember supporters like you comparing him to Goodes early on. We can lose, and we've lost before with early picks.

I wish supporters would stop with these ludicrous comparisons. It kills me. I'm assuming you've seen as much footage as I have of the two, which isn't much, yet you are willing to compare them to two of the top mids of our game.

From the limited footage I have seen of these two, I would prefer O'rourke. We are crying out for a classy mid with elite skills, pace and one that can still win his own ball. That's what I'm hoping O'rourke could be for for us. We have our bulldozer in Viney. Add Jones, McKenzie, Trengove, Tapscott, Rodan, Grimes and Bail.

They're all boys who enjoy getting the pill. O'rourke looks to be some silk that we are sorely missing. Pace and kicking skills complimented by an appetite to win the contested ball. The dee's need it.

Edited November 9, 2012 by stevethemanjordan

[olisik 4,060]

Stringer? if he slides down the order there will be a lot of "Darling" questions asked sometime next year.

He wont last to pick 49

[binman 38,526]

Cheap Wines and a 3 day growth for my money

[rjay 23,927]

He wont last to pick 49

Of course he won't but would have to be a consideration at pick 4 particularly if GWS take Wines.

[olisik 4,060]

I would hate it if we took Wines at #4 and then in a few years O Rourke turns into an absolute A grade gun (Which i think he will) while Wines becomes a just another B grade hard working mid.

[bing181 8,172]

I would hate it if we took Wines at #4 and then in a few years O Rourke turns into an absolute A grade gun (Which i think he will) while Wines becomes a just another B grade hard working mid.

I would hate it if we took Player X at #4 and then in a few years Player Y turns into an absolute A grade gun (Which i think he will) while Player X becomes a just another B grade hard working mid.

Decisions are made on the basis of available information.

[old55 21,360]

Had a look at their highlights - they both have good attributes, O'Rourke's decision making and skills and Wines strength (which he is big enough to translate into the AFL) and smarts to be in the right place. Stringer is the standout in those highlights packages - he could be anything. Jack Viney looks terrific too though, inside ball winning and he's got pace and dynamism.

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,219]

I would hate it if we took Wines at #4 and then in a few years O Rourke turns into an absolute A grade gun (Which i think he will) while Wines becomes a just another B grade hard working mid.

I would hate it if we took O'Rourke and he turned into Morton and Wines became Dangerfield. I think Wines has more to him than "hard working mid". I would personally choose O'Rourke but dont think we can lose either way. Both will be deserved of top draft positions.

[Guest José Mourinho]

You've compared Wines and O'rourke to Watson and Pendlebury? Do tell me Jose', what happened to a past number 4 draft pick we had not three weeks back? I remember supporters like you comparing him to Goodes early on. We can lose, and we've lost before with early picks.

I wish supporters would stop with these ludicrous comparisons. It kills me. I'm assuming you've seen as much footage as I have of the two, which isn't much, yet you are willing to compare them to two of the top mids of our game.

From the limited footage I have seen of these two, I would prefer O'rourke. We are crying out for a classy mid with elite skills, pace and one that can still win his own ball. That's what I'm hoping O'rourke could be for for us. We have our bulldozer in Viney. Add Jones, McKenzie, Trengove, Tapscott, Rodan, Grimes and Bail.

They're all boys who enjoy getting the pill. O'rourke looks to be some silk that we are sorely missing. Pace and kicking skills complimented by an appetite to win the contested ball. The dee's need it.

If you read ANY of the bios on these young players, those are the 2 they are compared to.

By others, not me.

But none of us know how these 2 will really pan out.

Hence, faith in the football dept.

Not rocket science steve.

Hard for you though, I know.

[Guest José Mourinho]

I would hate it if we took O'Rourke and he turned into Morton and Wines became Dangerfield. I think Wines has more to him than "hard working mid". I would personally choose O'Rourke but dont think we can lose either way. Both will be deserved of top draft positions.

I reckon you'd also hate it if we took Wines and he turned into Morton and O'Rourke became Dangerfield.

None of us has a crystal ball.

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,219]

I reckon you'd also hate it if we took Wines and he turned into Morton and O'Rourke became Dangerfield.

None of us has a crystal ball.

Thats why I dislike statements like olisiks. Exactly the point I made.

[Guest José Mourinho]

Thats why I dislike statements like olisiks. Exactly the point I made.

Yep, sorry.

As a general rule, I just don't read his posts.

Obviously even when they are being replied to, it seems.

[Deeoldfart 7,782]

I reckon you'd also hate it if we took Wines and he turned into Morton and O'Rourke became Dangerfield.

None of us has a crystal ball.

Not even our Footy Dept., unfortunately, but based on what we have to go on, both Wines and O'Rourke will make a name for themselves in the AFL.

Edit: typo.

Edited November 9, 2012 by Deeoldfart

[You're Gawn 26]

I'd prefer wines based on the attitude and toughness that he would bring to the club. It's been mentioned that we need more run and carry players, however, with the inclusions of byrnes, barry and rodan, to go with blease and even nicholson, i think we have enough players for now to provide us with that pace. Even jones, trengove, grimes and sylvia have shown they have the ability to spread from the contest, rather than just attacking the ball. There will plenty of opportunities to pick up more outside runners, but being able to have the two best bulldozers in the one team is something that is hard to pass up.

[rpfc 27,531]

Most MFC supporters when told of 'inside mids' think Magner or Simon Godfrey. Think Selwood.

That's the inside mid I want at 4.

[Captain_Jack 88]

We desperately need some genuine, long term class in the middle.

Viney and O'Rourke as a midfield combo for the 10 - 12 years should have any MFC supporter salivating, one a genuine inside gun the other pure class with loads off upside that we seriously need.

Love the look of Wines and wouldn't be the disappointed in the least if we took him but O'Rourke for mine.

[Bonkers 915]

I think when it comes down to the crunch Neeld's instruction would be to pick the grunt player. Also O'Rourke seems to be rated outside the top 10 by a few experts so I don't know how much debate there really is over Wines or O'Rourke. Interesting to hear others opinions on whether O'Rourke is actually top 5 talent or just the next best mid after Wines.