Scully's oath to Jim

[DemonDing 56]

cheers fellas, im about as good on the computer as tom scully is at being a human!!

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

I am still amazed there are people on this board who have the attitude that the kid did the right thing, FCS you people would sell your own children if the price was right

[olisik 4,060]

Mitch Clarke, Jessie Hogan, Oliver Wines and Viney 2nd Round > Scully and pick 12

[Supermercado 2,797]

To be honest, I think Scully made the smart decision for his own future.

When would he ever have another chance to sign a $6mil deal?

Not after this season, that's for sure.

His price was at an all time high and he took it.

As long as the money makes up for never having any respect from anyone ever again.

It probably does to be honest.

[stuie 7,374]

Personally I'm still disappointed that no one from MFC flattened $cully when we played them at the G.

Might be old school, but it's what I would expect from a passionate club.

[Wells 11 5,356]

Mitch Clarke, Jessie Hogan, Oliver Wines and Viney 2nd Round > Scully and pick 12

As bizarre and painful as its been, we had a big win here didn't we. In all the gloom of this year the footy gods may have turned our way. Imagine ( and no disrespect to an improving and hopefully great Jack Watts) but imagine the pain if we had 2 underachieving number one picks hanging around and the type of crap we'd be getting about that.

[jnrmac 20,040]

I am still amazed there are people on this board who have the attitude that the kid did the right thing, FCS you people would sell your own children if the price was right

It's a job you goose. You seriously saying you wouldn't take a new job even though someone offered you more than TEN TIMES your current salary? Get real.

It might be about passion for the supporters but talk to any modern player and they will paint a different picture.

[Guest KingDingAling]

Personally I'm still disappointed that no one from MFC flattened $cully when we played them at the G.

Might be old school, but it's what I would expect from a passionate club.

Same, but Tapscott didn't play.

He is the only bloke on our list that would do it, thats why I love him.

Good sides have mongrel.

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,589]

People are really confusing the issues with this one.

First issue: Scully's dad signed in February. His contract was INCLUDED in Scully Jnr's. This casts doubt on the suggestion that he had any changes of heart.

Second issue: Scully allegedly lied to Jimmy's face by saying he wanted to stay and it was only through woman's intuition that Jimmy realised this.

Third issue: Scully took a good financial deal - one that any of us would have taken. But this is a seperate issue from the fact that he lied and denied.

Fourth issue: Scully told David Schwartz on SEN that he had not signed or agreed to go to GWS until the end of the season and he said to suggest otherwise was 'questioning his character and integrity' - shortly before hard evidence emerged that his Dad signed in Feb and Sheedy saying there was a verbal agreement earlier. Therefore he himself staked his integrity on the truth he was contending which was then proven false.

Fifth issue: Scully told people that the reason he was leaving was that he had witnessed unprofessional behaviour during a trip to China, suggesting that he was too professional for the club.

Sixth issue: Through luck, incompetance or just fate, he has not performed at GWS, spends most of his time outside the pack and is extraction big bucks at the moment for little bang.

But my point is that issue six is just luck. We are lucky that this is the case, and it doesnt change any of the other issues Ive mentioned. He could be playing better than Dangerfield and then what would we be saying?

But we should get over it and I think most of us are. But lets not confuse what happened. And lets prove him wrong through success rather than whinging.

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,589]

It's a job you goose. You seriously saying you wouldn't take a new job even though someone offered you more than TEN TIMES your current salary? Get real.

It might be about passion for the supporters but talk to any modern player and they will paint a different picture.

But using that argument, the club and the sport are based on the passion of the members who are emotionally invested. If you burn a supporter base you better expect some pretty unkind and emotional responses. I dont think anyone here is claiming they wouldnt take the job or the coin. they are complaining about how it was done and they are complaining because the members are what runs the club - the sport is run on the emotional attachment of the supporters.

[The Big Ticket 94]

It's a job you goose. You seriously saying you wouldn't take a new job even though someone offered you more than TEN TIMES your current salary? Get real.

It might be about passion for the supporters but talk to any modern player and they will paint a different picture.

What about the David Mackay news this week?

[Guest KingDingAling]

Scully is just going to find it very hard to build any sort of legacy that will see him in a favourable light at the end of his career.

He will forever be remembered as the bloke that lied to Jim Stynes.

No matter what Tom does from here on in, his character will forever be tarnished.

I'm pretty sure Trengove sleeps far better at night than Tom does.

[Demon SeaMan 108]

Guys. I don't post often but seriously if you don't stop this self relenting crap about this scully then it's a continual rAnt of hypocrisy and attempt at mayhem thT should let the reverend Demon semen determine if you are worthy of being a Pertinent being to this football society . I hate the cant as much as any maligned bastard but look at watts ahead Lets move On and enjoy the prospects. Yes I'm at th game....so? DS

[Wells 11 5,356]

People are really confusing the issues with this one.

First issue: Scully's dad signed in February. His contract was INCLUDED in Scully Jnr's. This casts doubt on the suggestion that he had any changes of heart.

Second issue: Scully allegedly lied to Jimmy's face by saying he wanted to stay and it was only through woman's intuition that Jimmy realised this.

Third issue: Scully took a good financial deal - one that any of us would have taken. But this is a seperate issue from the fact that he lied and denied.

Fourth issue: Scully told David Schwartz on SEN that he had not signed or agreed to go to GWS until the end of the season and he said to suggest otherwise was 'questioning his character and integrity' - shortly before hard evidence emerged that his Dad signed in Feb and Sheedy saying there was a verbal agreement earlier. Therefore he himself staked his integrity on the truth he was contending which was then proven false.

Fifth issue: Scully told people that the reason he was leaving was that he had witnessed unprofessional behaviour during a trip to China, suggesting that he was too professional for the club.

Sixth issue: Through luck, incompetance or just fate, he has not performed at GWS, spends most of his time outside the pack and is extraction big bucks at the moment for little bang.

But my point is that issue six is just luck. We are lucky that this is the case, and it doesnt change any of the other issues Ive mentioned. He could be playing better than Dangerfield and then what would we be saying?

But we should get over it and I think most of us are. But lets not confuse what happened. And lets prove him wrong through success rather than whinging.

Great post....but as point six is about the only thing I can think of to be positive about I want to focus on that.

[titan_uranus 24,962]

D!ck.

The lure of GWS I understand. Even the decision. But to lie to the club like he did, then cowardly not face up to the club when revealing it, is so incredibly low. I have no respect for him any more.

I've been rather pleased to note he's been rubbish this year. For all I care, he can stay that way.

[Redleg 40,772]

I agree.

No-one here would have a problem with Tom taking the coin either.

But, he lied to a dying Stynes and I think it goes down as the lowest thing a player has done in a few decades, if not ever.

That sums it up.

[Guest]

I just finished Jimmy's book today. I initially thought Scully, before I read the book, had just sat on the fence and had said to Jim he was neither here nor there with GWS and hadn't signed anything. Now I hear that he actually said he was going to stay makes this all the more painful and makes me lose respect for Scully (especially when Fat Phil had already gotten his job well in advance).

[rpfc 28,208]

Don't really care about these latest revelations about 'trying to get out of it' and Wells 11 pretty much summed up my feelings.

I trusted the word of a kid that was obviously not ready for these kinds of situations - and his dad took him for a ride worthy of emancipation proceedings but that is another story...

As BH rightly points out - we might just end up well ahead on this.

Mitch Clark wouldn't be here if HWFUA was still here.

And Pick 4 is good value - especially if can spin it into that Hogan kid (and possibly spin 13 into a direct midfield replacment for HWFUA).

Don't like to be taken for rides though, and I hate it even more when I see my club getting taken along with me.

[praha 11,226]

This thread is sad.

Time to move on, folks.

[Pates 9,649]

Two sides to this. I'm not defending $cully at all, but our game is in my opinion very childish when it comes to players moving clubs. I'm not saying I want a situation like in the NRL when players and coaches move without care but at the same time a player should feel comfortable about being able to to tell their current club what the situation is.

In the lead up to Tom making his "final" call many commentators and former coaches were asked if he was your player and he told he was going would you play him. Most said no. That is an extremely immature way of looking at things. So I can to a certain degree understand why Tom lied to Jim, he was probably afraid of the reaction of the club if he told them the truth.

What I don't agree with is the lie he told. He could've told Jimmy, "honestly I don't know, If GWS come to me with a big offer I may take it" and while that's not telling the whole truth it's at least being upfront about the fact that leaving Melbourne was in his mind. GWS put him in that terrible position, seemingly egged on by his father and manager who had $$$$$ in their eyes, and the game's lack of ability to handle players moving made him want to lie.

His decision wasn't wrong, the way he handled it was.

Mitch Clark wouldn't be here if HWFUA was still here.

Very true.

[rjay 24,784]

TI'm not saying I want a situation like in the NRL when players and coaches move without care

Well that's what you you are saying and that's what you get. Many think the NRL situation is a more grown up way of doing business, I think it goes against the grain of the way we have been brought up, mateship and playing for the team and many in the NRL are starting to think the same way. Even in a professional environment these things should still hold true.

In the lead up to Tom making his "final" call many commentators and former coaches were asked if he was your player and he told he was going would you play him. Most said no. That is an extremely immature way of looking at things. So I can to a certain degree understand why Tom lied to Jim, he was probably afraid of the reaction of the club if he told them the truth.

It's not immature at all, it all depends on the position of the club. For a club like Geelong who were a legitimate premiership chance when the Ablett saga was in play then of course he is a big part of the team success and you play him, I mean you don't cut of your nose...

A club like Melbourne when the Scully thing panned out was no threat to win a premiership and in a re build, so why help develop talent for a rival club and hinder the development of players committed to your future. It would be totally incompetent.

The Cloke thing is different again, he is seen by the players as holding the club to ransom, fair or not fair it is having not only a negative effect on him but also on the club. The club are pretty sure he is gone but need him to win a premiership so they play him but does it destabilise the club? Is it counterproductive?

I like the way we do things in Australia and it's about us all being in it together, as a team. I don't want the American it's all about me approach in our football code and it doesn't sit well with many supporters of the NRL either. You think St George played for their coach last year when he signed on for mega bucks to Newcastle for the next year?

As for Scully, well he lied and he has to live with that, he is one of the highest if not the highest paid footballer in the land and if that's what floats his boat the so called professional that he is well good luck to him but at the moment he would be lucky to be in the top 50% of players in the comp.

[angrydee 842]

I'd be hesitant about calling Philthy his father. I was having a good look at the Scully family photo that was in The Daily Maggot recently. T$'s sister looks a dead set cross between the corpulant parents. You can see a lot of mom in the son , but none of philthy. And he's always acted like a bastard.

[Sir Why You Little 36,867]

I'd be hesitant about calling Philthy his father. I was having a good look at the Scully family photo that was in The Daily Maggot recently. T$'s sister looks a dead set cross between the corpulant parents. You can see a lot of mom in the son , but none of philthy. And he's always acted like a bastard.

"Look son. It'a paved road, aint never seen one of them before..."

[mdemonski2 403]

wasn't carlton trying to claim scully under the father/son pre-draft?

at the time, I thought that is a sneaky attempt to get the best talent in the land from us. after looking at the family happy snap I am not so sure and maybe this one has some legitimacy.

Mrs $cully what were you up to 20 odd years ago? looking at your husband though perhaps no-one can blame you if you came clean....

[nutbean 8,838]

Don't really care about these latest revelations about 'trying to get out of it' and Wells 11 pretty much summed up my feelings.

I trusted the word of a kid that was obviously not ready for these kinds of situations - and his dad took him for a ride worthy of emancipation proceedings but that is another story...

As BH rightly points out - we might just end up well ahead on this.

Mitch Clark wouldn't be here if HWFUA was still here.

And Pick 4 is good value - especially if can spin it into that Hogan kid (and possibly spin 13 into a direct midfield replacment for HWFUA).

Don't like to be taken for rides though, and I hate it even more when I see my club getting taken along with me.

This is where I am at - Have no problem in anyone going elsewhere for money but the same way as I invest emotionally in my football, I invested emotionally in the character and truthful utterings of Tom Scully. I got badly burned. Now, any player who says that they "just want to play football and will let the contract sort itself out at the end of the season" I take it as given that they are gorn until I hear otherwise. My motto now is "talk is cheap-show me ink on paper". I am now 100% cynic and will never be taken in by "talk" again.