On The Couch lacks integrity, relevance

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

Dead set, these bozos are unbelievable.

The show started tonight with the Matthew Primus/Port Adelaide issue. Fair enough - it's a current and interesting issue.

BUT, within less than a nano second, the MFC then became the issue. I find it genuinely bizarre how hard they go at our club. Healy, in particular, is one very vain, yet increasingly anti intellectual, media peanut.

I also enjoyed the very contrived disclaimer they spun about last week's Brock interview as though it was a complete shot out of the blue.

Well, in short fellas - you can't have it both ways. Either you're completely naive amateurs with absolutely no useful insights into the game, or you're experienced AFL commentators who knew exactly what Brock McLean would have to say about his former club if fed some Dorothy Dix questions.

Given the way they have conducted themselves lately, I can't believe these dudes have the arrogance to question the integrity of the MFC.

And it's also stunning how basic their analysis has become. To think, I used to like this programme - and Paul Roos in particular.

Disappointing stuff.

[stuie 7,374]

Meh, it's a TV show, how many of them give sensible, non-sensationalist viewpoints?

Their job is to stir sh!t, that's why their show stinks so much.

[Pates 9,660]

BUT, within less than a nano second, the MFC then became the issue. I find it genuinely bizarre how hard they go at our club. Healy, in particular, is one very vain, yet increasingly anti intellectual, media peanut.

What did we do now?

[Range Rover 1,935]

Gerard is our Director of Football's brother.

[DeeSpencer 25,711]

A bit of a joke that we seemed to be labelled with the tanking stick but everyone has miraculously forgotten Collingwood, Carlton and even West Coast who have all done the same thing.

It's funny - the GWS and GC team building methods are both primarily built on the same philosophy as tanking. Lose lots of games, get the best draft picks and bring though a core of kids the same age. So I'm not sure why the AFL have supported them so much.

And why is tanking even mentioned in the same breath of us when our new coach has just led a comfortable victory over a team that if we had any desire to tank we would have rolled over and lost to them.

[cowboy_from_hell 2,390]

Dead set, these bozos are unbelievable.

The show started tonight with the Matthew Primus/Port Adelaide issue. Fair enough - it's a current and interesting issue.

BUT, within less than a nano second, the MFC then became the issue. I find it genuinely bizarre how hard they go at our club. Healy, in particular, is one very vain, yet increasingly anti intellectual, media peanut.

I also enjoyed the very contrived disclaimer they spun about last week's Brock interview as though it was a complete shot out of the blue.

Well, in short fellas - you can't have it both ways. Either you're completely naive amateurs with absolutely no useful insights into the game, or you're experienced AFL commentators who knew exactly what Brock McLean would have to say about his former club if fed some Dorothy Dix questions.

Given the way they have conducted themselves lately, I can't believe these dudes have the arrogance to question the integrity of the MFC.

And it's also stunning how basic their analysis has become. To think, I used to like this programme - and Paul Roos in particular.

Disappointing stuff.

Used to watch the show religiously. I don't mind the MFC getting criticism when warranted but enough already! Paul Roos now drives me nuts and his hair cut sucks.

[jumbo returns 6,741]

Dead set, these bozos are unbelievable.

The show started tonight with the Matthew Primus/Port Adelaide issue. Fair enough - it's a current and interesting issue.

BUT, within less than a nano second, the MFC then became the issue. I find it genuinely bizarre how hard they go at our club. Healy, in particular, is one very vain, yet increasingly anti intellectual, media peanut.

I also enjoyed the very contrived disclaimer they spun about last week's Brock interview as though it was a complete shot out of the blue.

Well, in short fellas - you can't have it both ways. Either you're completely naive amateurs with absolutely no useful insights into the game, or you're experienced AFL commentators who knew exactly what Brock McLean would have to say about his former club if fed some Dorothy Dix questions.

Given the way they have conducted themselves lately, I can't believe these dudes have the arrogance to question the integrity of the MFC.

And it's also stunning how basic their analysis has become. To think, I used to like this programme - and Paul Roos in particular.

Disappointing stuff.

You mean, you loved all the talk about a Goodesy, or a Mummy, or a Kirky?

[diesel 420]

Disappointing stuff.

Foot stomping really. Their poorly constructed agenda's going nowhere. The MFC has been as low as it's ever been at times this year but it will roll on. Kicking us has just become a sport so I'm unfussed about it and I'm pretty sure the general public would have just about thought enough is enough by now?

[daisycutter 29,616]

what are you guys doing watching otc?

i thought you all swore off it last week?

[Dr. Gonzo 24,219]

Used to watch the show religiously. I don't mind the MFC getting criticism when warranted but enough already! Paul Roos now drives me nuts and his hair cut sucks.

How smug is he? I wish he was on radio because I'd ring up and ask him "Roosy, did you try to win every single game as coach of the Sydney Swans?" When I get the inevitable "of course" in response I'd ask "what about NAB Cup games?" No doubt he'd try to guffaw it off as "well it's a practice match not a competitive game." I'd ask "so do betting agencies not run odds on NAB Cup games?"

[Deeoldfart 8,033]

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I also enjoyed the very contrived disclaimer they spun about last week's Brock interview as though it was a complete shot out of the blue.

Well, in short fellas - you can't have it both ways. Either you're completely naive amateurs with absolutely no useful insights into the game, or you're experienced AFL commentators who knew exactly what Brock McLean would have to say about his former club if fed some Dorothy Dix questions.

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Couldn't agree more Ron. Roos saying that he almost fell off his chair when McLean responded the way he did almost made me puke. I had enormous respect for Roos as a player and coach, but he has lost me completely as a footy comentator / panellist.

[diesel 420]

what are you guys doing watching otc?

i thought you all swore off it last week?

Not me, don't have Foxtel thank christ and if I did I'd be getting it removed at the first opportunity!

[daisycutter 29,616]

Geez, who'd want a brother like Gerard Healy?

[old dee 23,791]

Geez, who'd want a brother like Gerard Healy?

Christmas day lunch would be interesting DC

[keep13alive 78]

Gerard was the same at school.Only the flogs listen to him and there weren't many.

[McQueen 17,864]

A very pointed remark from Gerard regards MFC. " the coach goes but the CEO stays," he blurts out at the start of the program.

He really does not like Schwab.

[Range Rover 1,935]

A very pointed remark from Gerard regards MFC. " the coach goes but the CEO stays," he blurts out at the start of the program.

He really does not like Schwab.

No, it would appear that at least one G. Healy does not like Cam Schwab at all.

[bush demon 2,041]

you shouldn't let these programs get under your skin. there have been some good stories in the media last few days about other teams tanking their way up the ladder ie collingwood in 2005 when they lost a stack of games toward the end of the year and scored pendlebury and that little guy who takes speccies. it is common knowledge that carlton played the system to build their fab team, and hawthorn were down for a few years before the draft swept them up. gerard healey got his come-uppance vis-a-vis the demons in the '87 finals, anyway.

[Kento80 83]

I stopped watching the show this year due to Roos. As a player and a coach, I mostly thought he was great, and admired him as such. Now that we have got to "know' him a bit more, he has lost me completely. Never a more up himself commentator have I come across. It's funny that I hated Hird as a player, but as a commentator on OTC I really came to respect him and listen to him due to his proper critique of the game and his relatively balanced views. Pretty much the polar opposite to Roos and his arrogant views. I wonder, were the Swans "irrelevant" back in the day when they were shite??? No they weren't and they obviously are well and truly not now. So are the MFC irrelevant now, no they are not. Paul Roos can F off for all I care, cause I've had him up to my ears!

[rjay 24,928]

Mike when you are reading this, I for one don't believe you guys didn't have a clue what Brock was going to say. It was a set up and we all know it, in fact anyone with half a brain in the footy world knows it too.

[a la johnny beckwith 25]

I stopped watching the show this year due to Roos. As a player and a coach, I mostly thought he was great, and admired him as such. Now that we have got to "know' him a bit more, he has lost me completely. Never a more up himself commentator have I come across. It's funny that I hated Hird as a player, but as a commentator on OTC I really came to respect him and listen to him due to his proper critique of the game and his relatively balanced views. Pretty much the polar opposite to Roos and his arrogant views. I wonder, were the Swans "irrelevant" back in the day when they were shite??? No they weren't and they obviously are well and truly not now. So are the MFC irrelevant now, no they are not. Paul Roos can F off for all I care, cause I've had him up to my ears!

Can't help but agree - particularly on Roos.

Irrelevant?? Really??? Are we as "irrelevant" as say, for example, the now defunct Fitzroy FC?

You remember the Fitzroy FC, don't you Roosy? If my memory serves me correctly, you once had somewhat of a connection with this now non-existent football club, didn't you?

A discussion on what constitutes an irrelevant club as far as VFL/AFL history is concerned surely would not be complete without a thorough investigation into the sad demise of the Fitzroy FC? Can you get any more "irrelevant" than being no longer in existence? Perhaps the completely demoralising defection of a much loved club great and club captain, when the club was on its knees could also be discussed?

Apparently poor old Roosy is suffering from some sort of memory malfunction - or perhaps he truly doesn't understand the meaning of the word "irrelevant"?

Paul Roos - great player and successful premiership winning coach. Credit where it is due.

Roos the commentator?? To quote a former football great and premiership coach - "irrelevant" ( P. Roos OTC 31/7/12). Credit where it is due.

[Apocalypse XXXI 243]

As an attempt to garner discussion and controversy it was a success. As an attempt to unseat C Schwab it was a monumental failure.

[Sorge 9]

I stopped watching the show this year due to Roos. As a player and a coach, I mostly thought he was great, and admired him as such. Now that we have got to "know' him a bit more, he has lost me completely. Never a more up himself commentator have I come across. It's funny that I hated Hird as a player, but as a commentator on OTC I really came to respect him and listen to him due to his proper critique of the game and his relatively balanced views. Pretty much the polar opposite to Roos and his arrogant views. I wonder, were the Swans "irrelevant" back in the day when they were shite??? No they weren't and they obviously are well and truly not now. So are the MFC irrelevant now, no they are not. Paul Roos can F off for all I care, cause I've had him up to my ears!

Paul Roos was one of the rats that jumped off the sinking Fitzroy ship first. When the Roys needed stability to survive Roos went running off to the fake Sydney franchise to make himself a hero in the eyes of the AFL commission. Not to mention the South supporters that had bent over and let the AFL have their way with them.

[Brayshaws' Helmet 143]

So am I to believe that some people in here think that they asked Brock McLean why he left in Melbourne as a round about way of trying to get rid of Schwab as ceo over the tanking issue?....

That's pretty thin.

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

Mike when you are reading this, I for one don't believe you guys didn't have a clue what Brock was going to say. It was a set up and we all know it, in fact anyone with half a brain in the footy world knows it too.

It was just the latest, albeit hopelessly out of date, angle that they decided to take against the MFC. As everyone knows, tanking allegations against the Dees were investigated, and put to bed, ages ago.

Literally everyone also knows that Brock's own view of his worth to the MFC was very different to the MFC's view of Brock's worth - that said, not one of the panel challenged McLean on any of his comments that 'he decided to leave the club'. Clearly, it would've compromised their anti-MFC angle had they attempted to straighten up some of the facts.

Many of the angles they run against the MFC are so weak, it's caused me to think that they deliberately manufacture a negative story about the the MFC every so often. I don't know why they seem so determined to do this. It's also surprising really, given our apparent irrelevance.

I can't think of the last positive story they have run about the MFC on this programme. Actually forget positive - just balanced, well researched story.

Roos always makes a jibe at the MFC or Neeld in some way - and then, somewhat conveniently, says 'not that I know or have anything against him'.

All I can take out of this is that we're not quite as irrelevant as a club as these bozos would have us believe.

And, contrary to Roos' less than insightful comment last night about the MFC's progress since last year, we are a hell of a lot better now than this time last year. That comment, more than any other, demonstrated to me that these guys operate on pretty low level perception rather than well researched, critically reasoned, analysis of the facts. Lazy stuff.

Ironic really, given Roos stated love of the 'one percenters' - something he doesn't bring to his new career in journalism.