Liam Jurrah: charged, on bail and discussion closed for now

[jayceebee31 768]

Olisik and Benny you've had your say. Others have had a chance to respond. Please leave the personal stuff out of it. There is enough stuff on this issue that it needs no further comment. Use the "Like This" button if you want to add your support for a view.

As Whispering Jack has said this is a very sensitive issue and the mods will take a very hard line both to keep the discussion civil and avoid any legal implications.

Anyone stepping too far off course will be banned with a no tolerance policy.

Please respect the situation guys.

Fan

Well stated -I genuinely feel we even should consider no further comments on this delicate issue,especially at this time.

[timmy 29]

Good read by Gerard Whateley: http://blogs.abc.net.au/gerardwhateley/2012/03/a-remote-concept.html

Edited March 8, 2012 by timmy

[Tricky 341]

Good read by Gerard Whateley: http://blogs.abc.net...te-concept.html

Indeed - this is good.

[Spaghetti 264]

Defitniley think you need to listen to this deedeedee: http://chirb.it/O1z82v

Well worth a listen for those unfamiliar with indigenous culture.

[Harcourt 146]

Good read by Gerard Whateley: http://blogs.abc.net...te-concept.html

Gerard Whateley is brilliant. Love his commentary, writing and work on AFL 360.

[Guest fitness]

Hard to express the sadness I feel at the prospect of losing Jurrah from the club and our game, then the realisation at how absurd that is when in comparison to the other challenges Jurrah faces are so much greater.

Either way, I feel pretty damn empty.

I think this comment sums it up absolutely perfectly for me as well.

[timmy 29]

According to the NT Court website. He is up at 10:00 NT time or 11am EDST (now)

http://www.nt.gov.au/justice/mctlist/today/crim/ras.html

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

I just hope that Jurrah can play football for Melbourne again. The reason is that then we know that he is OK and hopefully the severity of the charges he is facing (if guilty) are only minor.

[daisycutter 29,892]

According to the NT Court website. He is up at 10:00 NT time or 11am EDST (now)

http://www.nt.gov.au...y/crim/ras.html

Timmy, thanks for all the links you provide.....saves a lotof legwork

[Guest deedeedee]

Defitniley think you need to listen to this deedeedee: http://chirb.it/O1z82v

I've listen to it and there is no doubt Jurrah could of done the same thing with a mentor there, but at least the club could say done everything we could to stop this from happening.

I feel that they have done nothing to stop this from happening. Interesting to see that Schwab baulked the last part of question 3 in the press conference.

[Grapeviney 9,909]

According to the NT Court website. He is up at 10:00 NT time or 11am EDST (now)

http://www.nt.gov.au...y/crim/ras.html

Interestingly, only listed for two charges. No mention of the "intent to cause serious harm"

[timmy 29]

Seems the other person facing the charges is the same person also charged in relation to the the murder of the man stabbed in the leg a few years ago.

Although originally charged with murder those charges were dropped and he pleaded guilty to the assualt of another indiviadual during the fight.

Very messy, ongoing stuff.

Can only hope that the situation calms down for all involved. Must be hell living with contastnt fear and conflict on all sides.

Forget Kony2012 etc, why don't we start in outr own backyard?!

Edited March 9, 2012 by timmy

[binman 44,533]

According to the NT Court website. He is up at 10:00 NT time or 11am EDST (now)

http://www.nt.gov.au...y/crim/ras.html

Thanks for that. Some of the issues the communities in central Australia face is eloquently described in the range of charges listed in that doc ( all of them. not just Liams). Tragedy piled on tragedy.

One potential positive out of this awful situation is that it might open eyes (including mine) to the scale of the problem in remote Indigenous communities and provide some real insight into the barriers Indigenous Australians face.

[Spaghetti 264]

I've listen to it and there is no doubt Jurrah could of done the same thing with a mentor there, but at least the club could say done everything we could to stop this from happening.

I feel that they have done nothing to stop this from happening. Interesting to see that Schwab baulked the last part of question 3 in the press conference.

You are being very naive if you think that a white fella from the MFC had any place interfering (or could interfere) with his obligations to his family. Is Liam meant to have a minder with him 24/7 any time he returns to NT? That's ridiculous.

We are all upset at the prospect he may never play for the MFC again, but this story is much bigger than that. CS acted very professionally in his responses from what I read.

[dpositive 1,819]

If this happened to ANY of my employees - yes I would dismiss them summarily, and would be justified (both legally and morally) in doing so. MFC is a business, not a charity or social awareness vehicle, and for the most part the problems you mention can and must be taken up in other avenues.

I am unsure of your legeal grounds for this action as it depends, as do all things, on all the circumstances.

Summary dismissal can be related directly to a contract condition but any dismissal must be not harsh unjust or unreasonable.

This is decided by presentation of all the facts and consideration of all the circumstances.

Courts often impose fines as a person is employed and able to pay that fine so summary action of dismissing can be seen as harsh unjust and unreasonable.

I do prefer those comments that are aligned with the "wait and see" "innocent until proven" "support" style

than those that condemn and jump to conclusion with little knowledge of the facts

I am happy to support the comments of the club released so far.

[brey9186 102]

While I'm only speculating, not having the intent charge shows this could've been self defence

[sue 9,195]

While most of the media has been sensitive about the cultural background to all this, an article in the HUN has really annoyed me and my mate.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/is-the-dream-over-for-liam-jurrah/story-fn8libkp-1226294181174

The article nastily implies Jurrah wasn't working hard under the new regime without citing any evidence at all. My mate posted a polite response to the HUN saying the author should make such 'allegations' without presenting evidence, particularly at this time. But of course the HUn hasn't put it up, just a post from someone mouthing the same line as the article. Typical Murdoch press.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

While I'm only speculating, not having the intent charge shows this could've been self defence

Unless you have a working knoweldge of NT statute, then yes you speculating.

And no other person on the list has been charged with this offence either. There are a number of possible explanations for this but all are speculation and at this stage it is a pointless excercise.

I'm inclined to agree with JCB and I can't see the value in these threads continuing until new information emerges.

[Whispering_Jack 31,131]

One potential positive out of this awful situation is that it might open eyes (including mine) to the scale of the problem in remote Indigenous communities and provide some real insight into the barriers Indigenous Australians face.

I think many of us already have the insight into those barriers but the problem is one of understanding life within the communities themselves. Of course, this is not meant to excuse violent acts against others nor am I suggesting that Liam is guilty of anything of the sort. I do feel however, that even if all of the facts come to light, we are going to have to stretch the boundaries of our understanding of a culture with which we're not familiar.

[jayceebee31 768]

While I'm only speculating, not having the intent charge shows this could've been self defence

Speculating is the only thing we can do at this time.Please guys let' s not judge the book by it's cover. Don't get suspended over a matter that we don't know about.

[Sir Why You Little 37,308]

Thanks for that. Some of the issues the communities in central Australia face is eloquently described in the range of charges listed in that doc ( all of them. not just Liams). Tragedy piled on tragedy.

One potential positive out of this awful situation is that it might open eyes (including mine) to the scale of the problem in remote Indigenous communities and provide some real insight into the barriers Indigenous Australians face.

yes. Australian cities honestly have no similarities with remote outback towns apart from currency.

It is very hard to contemplate that unless you have spent time up there.

Sending a "minder" up there with Liam would have made little differerence. This was family berevement and "business" he had to attend sadly. This feud was always going to Blow. Must have been so hard for Liam down here in the smoke while this has simmered.

[Biffen 12,949]

Where do propose we draw the line then?

In the sand against Hawthorn .

Otherwise ,leave it to the courts .

[jabberwocky 2,301]

The only people I want to hear from are those with a knowledge of the main charge and what it means. It seems to me that the charge equates with the "Intentionally Cause Serious Injury" down here?

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

Such a complex issue.

Starting from colonisation right up until now.

Our dominant culture could not care less about minorities and it's sickening.

[Longsufferingnomore 1,670]

Liam has applied for bail and is up now according to 3aw