Liam Jurrah: charged, on bail and discussion closed for now

[hardtack 10,126]

Hopefully he is allowed to, and more importantly wants to, come back to Melbourne.

We need to get him out of danger ASAP and away from a very toxic situation.

I am just glad to know that, unlike some of our so called supporters, this club has a heart!

[BIG JIM 508]

I think if he said he has done nothing we should take liam at his word and support him all the way.

[timmy 29]

Hopefully he is allowed to, and more importantly wants to, come back to Melbourne.

We need to get him out of danger ASAP and away from a very toxic situation.

Says on the ABC website that his bail conditions are that he MUST stay in Victoria and have no contact with the victim or his family.

Edited March 9, 2012 by timmy

[BIG JIM 508]

Says on the ABC website that his bail conditions are that he MUST stay in Victoria and have no contact with his family or the victim.

Good get him out of there

[rpfc 27,451]

Says on the ABC website that his bail conditions are that he MUST stay in Victoria and have no contact with his family or the victim.

If the bolded part is true, it sounds like the court is taking the interest of the defendant into consideration aswell as the victim and the law.

[Biffen 12,323]

Says on the ABC website that his bail conditions are that he MUST stay in Victoria and have no contact with his family or the victim.

This is EVEN better news from a Demons point of view .

I'm glad he denies involvement.

Was the Judge a Demon or something .

[timmy 29]

Good get him out of there

Flight out within the hour apparently.

Edited March 9, 2012 by timmy

[pitmaster 3,063]

There is every reason to think he will not be convicted of anything let alone do jail time unless he was the one that weilded the weapon (on the evidence thus far this is unlikely it seems).

The reason is simple: the law will always give a second chance to someone who has a purposeful life and Liam has that in football.

Any defence barrister worth his salt can mount a powerful argument that it is better for the community that Liam continue with his career in Melbourne.

What is gained if he is convicted/jailed? He becomes one more sad statistic of indigenous trouble. But given the chance to pursue his football he can become a model for his community of what is possible for them, and he gains maturity and status for his eventual return to his community.

Edited March 9, 2012 by pitmaster

[Jaded No More 57,824]

Says on the ABC website that his bail conditions are that he MUST stay in Victoria and have no contact with the victim or his family.

While that must be very hard and very upsetting for him and his family, it's good news for his safety.

I'm very proud to see our club support him and hopefully our supporters will do the same.

[Retrospective 104]

Liam may also avoid conviction and gaol time by being innocent of the charges

[timmy 29]

While that must be very hard and very upsetting for him and his family, it's good news for his safety.

I'm very proud to see our club support him and hopefully our supporters will do the same.

I think it means the Victim's family but either way it will still be tough not being allowed out of Vic.

Especially if things get ugly there again.

and frrom a stupid Footy perspective - no interstate games

[Arrow 1,257]

If the bolded part is true, it sounds like the court is taking the interest of the defendant into consideration aswell as the victim and the law.

This is very important. Everyone on demonland is calling out anyone who is giving a voice of reason to the victim here also. There are alot of families in suffering today in Alice Springs and a community like Schwab said is split. I hope for Liams sake this decision doesn't split him too much from the one's he loves.

It's fantastic for us to say yay bring him back to the safety of the MCG but removing him entirely from Alice Springs would be no doubt devestating for his partner/wife, family and extended friends also.

It's not as easy as saying get him out of there.

Edited March 9, 2012 by Demon Land 7

[Hiram Cowfreak 75]

I had no idea how dire the situation was where Liam comes from, and now this awareness will spread to sports fans and others in the community.

That is a good thing. The NT government need more support from the Federal government and the Australian public.

Is there anything we demon supporters can do to help? This is much bigger than a football issue

Edited March 9, 2012 by ravi shanker

[timmy 29]

Says on the ABC website that his bail conditions are that he MUST stay in Victoria and have no contact with the victim or his family.

Oh and he has to abstain from alcohol!

Seems he is alleged to have been drunk when he armed himself with a Machete and his mate an Axe

http://www.afl.com.a...63/default.aspx

Edited March 9, 2012 by timmy

[Chook 14,475]

Seems the other person facing the charges is the same person also charged in relation to the the murder of the man stabbed in the leg a few years ago. Although originally charged with murder those charges were dropped and he pleaded guilty to the assualt of another indiviadual during the fight. Very messy, ongoing stuff. Can only hope that the situation calms down for all involved. Must be hell living with contastnt fear and conflict on all sides. Forget Kony2012 etc, why don't we start in outr own backyard?!

Agreed. Anyone up in arms about Joseph Kony should have a look at what's going on in Central Australian communities like Yuendumu. People there are stabbing each other with knives, hacking members of their family up with machetes and becoming trapped in a cycle of poverty, drug addiction and violence.

Indigenous people often feel an obligation to their own tribal law, even though carrying out the retribution and "payback" expected of them is likely to get them thrown in jail and lead to the their people being labeled "savages."

We should clean up the mess in our own back-yard before even worrying about how to solve problems half a world away, because if we're not smart enough to help our own people, then we're definitely not smart enough to help people we only feel compassion for because we saw a thirty minute video on the Internet.

Edited March 9, 2012 by Chook

[demon-4-life 467]

Agreed. Anyone up in arms about Joseph Kony should have a look at what's going on in Central Australian communities like Yuendumu. People there are stabbing each other with knives, hacking members of their family up with machetes and becoming trapped in a cycle of poverty, drug addiction and violence.

Indigenous people often feel an obligation to their own tribal law, even though carrying out the retribution and "payback" expected of them is likely to get them thrown in jail and lead to the their people being labeled "savages."

We should clean up the mess in our own back-yard before even worrying about how to solve problems half a world away, because if we're not smart enough to help our own people, then we're definitely not smart enough to help people we only feel compassion for because we saw a thirty minute video on the Internet.

So Chook, what are you going to do to help Indigenous Australians?

What actions are you going to take to help them?

[demoniac 1,243]

I am disappointed but not surprised in some of the comments of some my fellow Demonlanders. It is a sad and incredibly complex issue and one in which the story is still unfolding.

[Tricky 337]

So Chook, what are you going to do to help Indigenous Australians?

What actions are you going to take to help them?

What's your point exactly?

[demon-4-life 467]

What's your point exactly?

My point is that it is so simple to be negative on people trying to make a difference in the world.

There are always going to be problems to solve wherever you go, wherever you look.

Our culture is so cynical and to have a negative attitude towards charities that are aiming to make a difference in the world serves no purpose.

If you plan on being negative towards a good cause, back it up by doing something yourself, or take it over to make it better.

Its the equivalent of criticising the US people for donating to our Flood Appeal last year, when they have people devastated by cyclone Yasi.

[demoniac 1,243]

So Chook, what are you going to do to help Indigenous Australians?

What actions are you going to take to help them?

There is an idea. Are there specific groups working woth indigenous central Australians in remote communities like Yuendumu and major centres like Alice Springs. Making a donation to relevant organisations would be a constructive way for Dees fans to address the challenges faced by Liam Jurrah and the indigenous people of central Australia.

[Chook 14,475]

So Chook, what are you going to do to help Indigenous Australians?

What actions are you going to take to help them?

Well, I'm certainly NOT going to label them and be prejudiced towards them. What I AM going to do is make sure that people I know are aware of the issues going on in Central Australia, in the hope that they put some of their goodwill into the third world country sitting smack bang in the centre of the luckiest country there is.

I've had a lot of interaction with Indigenous people during my life, and I know enough to know that I don't know what they're all like. But if they're anything like me, they don't want people interfering unnecessarily in their lives. They want support, freedom, protection, happiness and all the other things which you want. Liam Jurrah needs our support, just as everyone does through difficult times in their lives.

Also, the Kony charity is not about raising money, it's about raising awareness for a bad man and the bad things he's getting people to do for him. Likewise, more good can be done in Australia for the Indigenous community by raising public awareness and political pressure than simply donating money to existing and ultimately flawed State and Federal government schemes.

Edited March 9, 2012 by Chook

[nutbean 8,837]

I think there are a LOT of people in our culture who DO care about our indiginous people

Caring and having solutions are however entirely different matters

Amen. And this has been cause of my frustration and to a degree, helplessness over the years

[monoccular 16,066]

Bail granted...yay.

Do his bail conditions allow him to leave the City or the Territory? Does he have to report in regularly?

If he can get back here, and wants to train and play, we should give him full encouragement - no "special consideration" re selection issues, but full encouragement.

[Chook 14,475]

One thing I'd like to mention about the importance of family to some Indigenous people is this:

When I was a kid in Darwin, there was a black fella who lived with my father and me (who he considered part of his family just as much as you would consider your sister a family member). We went away for five days and when we came back, he had practically destroyed the place we were living in, injured himself and cut down a tree he'd planted and cared for, all because he was so aggrieved that his family had left him alone. And that was after less than one week. So you can imagine the sense of responsibility that a tribal leader like Liam Jurrah would feel to his family and community.

Edited March 9, 2012 by Chook

[GawnWithTheWind 604]

Ok.

Best case scenario would be Liam is charged with holding an offensive weapon and the other charged drop.

He was simply there and armed himself incase of an attack. He did not use the weapon on the victim.

I imagine this is what he said in his bail hearing.

Lets hope this is the case cause he get off with a good behaviour and a fine and get back to what he does best, kick goals on the mcg.

Does anyone have a timeframe for the court hearing?