2011 TRADES DISCUSSION

[dee-luded 2,959]

Who is out of contract for us? at least on this forum, it seems like bate and dunn's names are the only ones being brought up. Neeld surely is going to freshen up the list more than that.

Contracted to End of 2011

Addam Maric

Matthew Warnock

Austin Wonaeamirri

Joel Macdonald

Brad Green..........Veterans List

Jack Fitzpatrick (contracted?)

Contracted to End of 2012

Rohan Bail

Clint Bartram

Matthew Bate

Lynden Dunn

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[dee-luded 2,959]

Chris Dawes is exactly the player that we need.

He presented all night, crashed every pack, tackled ferociously, and threw his body at the ball and player at every opportunity...and kicked three goals.

He is exactly the player that we need. We should be doing everything in our power to get him.

He's the type of player that we need. Bu IT doesn't have to be Him. If he costs too much, which he will.

[hoopla 418]

Geez I feel sorry for Barty. He cops so much sh!t on this site, and like Jones, I think it is quite unfair. He is one of the best taggers on our list, and would take a couple of bloody good players to make him surplus.

No ....would only take one average to good player at the most

[Goat 98]

At Melbourne, Joel MacDonald joins a number of fringe players yet to be re-contracted by the Demons.

He was taken as No.1 pick in the pre-season draft two years ago, but has drifted out of favour, with the Demons focusing on youth.

Matthew Bate is under contract at Melbourne, but will be hoping to find a new home in trade week after limited chances this season.

EDIT: Copied from here: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/geelong-assistant-coach-matthew-egan-on-western-bulldogs-wish-list/story-fn69a32t-1226157588606

[Lutz 76]

Right......... Anyway, so if you're going to quote an article, at least put some quotation marks around it, or leave some sort clue that it's a quote.

[Whispering_Jack 31,144]

THE TRADING CHRONICLES 2011 by The Oracle

Part One: THE MEATLOAF CONSPIRACY

The official 2011 season came to an end a few days ago but that doesn't mean the football world goes into hibernation for the next six months.

To the contrary, it's the Tuesday after the Grand Final and, while the victorious Geelong players are still sleeping off the effects of their premiership Mad Monday and hundreds of their counterparts are holidaying across the country and distant parts of the globe, 120 young hopefuls are kicking off the start of the next season at the AFL Draft Combine today at Etihad Stadium.

The Combine is a new name (stolen shamelessly by the AFL from the Americans) to replace the old concept of the draft camp. They used to run it in Canberra but this year it's been hyped up a little and been brought to Melbourne - perhaps to compensate us for the fact that November's national draft will be conducted in Sydney.

The foremost authority on all matters pertaining to the draft is Melbourne Age journalist Emma Quayle and she provides a brief rundown of what to expect over the next four days and the major draft prospects in High-flyers of the class of 2011.

Quayle's article is good but frankly, it has me worried. In it, she lists the likely types to look out for in November's draft and I see only eleven names. But Melbourne's first pick in the draft is currently listed at twelve and this immediately heightens my level of paranoia.

I'm not normally paranoid but, ever since the Tom Scully saga broke out in February, I've become convinced they're all out to get us. There's no way that the media could have guessed back then that the then Demon rookie and former number one draft pick was leaving for Greater Western Sydney on a six year $6m contract without it all being true. So now I see a combined CIA/KGB conspiracy behind anything that happens in the AFL.

Having to endure the experience of another American import in Meatloaf mangling every song that he tried his hand at during what was laughingly described as the "pre match entertainment" on Grand Final Day was the last straw.

Andrew Demetriou is a self confessed Meatloaf fan and he spent somewhere around 800 grand bringing Mr. Loaf to Australia. That money could have been used to help keep Scully at Melbourne and the change could have been used to put Barry Crocker or Kamahl out there on the stage for the punters. Then again, if anyone saw Hutchy's dramatic vision of the Scully family at Tullamarine on that fateful day when they flew north "just to have a look around", you might have noticed a definite resemblance between Loaf and Scully senior. So, that's how they got that deal across!

I raise all these matters because I'm convinced that this year's draft is a thinly veiled AFL conspiracy to give GWS a monumental leg up for its introduction to the competition at the expense of clubs that have been around for over a century and had to work bloody hard to get where they are now.

There was a time when an AFL club could strike it rich in the draft. Geelong did it one year when it picked up Jimmy Bartel, James Kelly, Steve Johnson and Gary Ablett Jnr all from the one draft. That won't happen with 17 of the clubs this year because, of Quayle's list of eleven leading draft hopefuls, seven of them (poor souls that they are) will most probably end up at Blacktown or Rooty Hill playing in front of capacity crowds of 4,652 at Skoda Stadium for peanuts and eating kebabs at the local diner while a handful of their more high profile teammates will be sipping piña coladas (make that Perrier soda water for Scully) and dining on beef wagu steaks at Sydney's most expensive eateries.

When I see GWS, all I see is Meatloaf. Their has-been coach is the AFL equivalent of Meatloaf. Their system of take the money and run is the AFL equivalent of Meatloaf and their philosophy of giving the punters nothing for their money is the AFL equivalent of Meatloaf.

Where does that leave us if the pick of the national draft and the players on show at the Draft Combine are heading towards Greater Western Sydney?

Well, I reckon the AFL exchange period which starts next week will be busier than it has been for quite a while because if the rest of the competition has a reduced capacity to fill the gaps in their lists through the draft, then they have to do it by way of the trades.

The Oracle threatens to return from time to time during trade week with his own spin on the events as they unfold.

[Chicken Deelicious 0]

"You took the words right out of my mouth".....I also expect a big trading period this year. Hopefully we are active to fill Neeld's 'holes in the list', and shift a bit of 'thanks but no thanks' off elsewhere...

[Craig Drinker 179]

Time to trade Jamar. He's a top 10 pick in this years draft possibly higher. If we want some serious quality coming in we have to offer quality. We could have virtually anyone who wanted a trade with Jamar. Clubs would join the cue. The club needs to be bold.

That's a good one! Made my day.

[Mac7 309]

When does a tem have to name its delistings? Is it after Trade Week?

I take it Melbourne will be leaving this to late to prevent GWS trying to get someone for free?

[Redleg 41,952]

"You took the words right out of my mouth".....I also expect a big trading period this year. Hopefully we are active to fill Neeld's 'holes in the list', and shift a bit of 'thanks but no thanks' off elsewhere...

I can just imagine the AFL recruiters screaming at the GWS list guys " I would give anything for Jaeger, but I won't give that", over their lunch of meatloaf sandwich at Etihad next week.

[simma02 53]

Who do you realistically think we can lure to the club in Trade Week?

[Pennant St Dee 13,403]

As we all know there are players who are not touted in pre draft articles but absolutley prove the pundits wrong in the seasons after. There will still be some good kids when we get our pick and it depends on what other clubs are looking for, I think it's safe to say the Power & Crows (if they trade Maric) will target Ruckman so with Billy Longer the Top rated draft player that will change the draft order. We ave plenty of young kids as it is and the compensation picks we picked up for Judas will turn out to be very valuable commodities!

[drdrake 3,203]

The most over rated week onthe AFL calender. I think for the MFC it will be more what we can off load rather than what we can get. You will see names like Bate, Dunn, Maric and Warnock offered around and I think we will try to secure one of the GWS 17yo picks with a player and one of our Scully picks. Warnock will go more likely a late second round early third, but I can't imagine much interest in the other three.

[Supermercado 2,802]

Somebody always tries to float that we're about to swap pick 50 for the Big Setant.

[GRUN DEE 69]

Pick 12. + a player.

for

Rory Sloane or Patrick Dangerfield.

[GRUN DEE 69]

Warnock for Sentanta O....

[rpfc 28,913]

I can just imagine the AFL recruiters screaming at the GWS list guys " I would give anything for Jaeger, but I won't give that", over their lunch of meatloaf sandwich at Etihad next week.

If they don't give it, the GWS blokes will be out of there "like a bat out of hell."

[Guest The Exorcist]

Bate and Dunn for Farren Ray and Dean Polo

[Samsara 65]

If they don't give it, the GWS blokes will be out of there "like a bat out of hell."

GWS have to trade the four 17 year olds though, don't they?

[Bring-Back-Powell 15,257]

Bate and pick 53 to Adelaide for pick 52.

[beelzebub 23,390]

I raise all these matters because I'm convinced that this year's draft is a thinly veiled AFL conspiracy to give GWS a monumental leg up for its introduction to the competition at the expense of clubs that have been around for over a century and had to work bloody hard to get where they are now.

sorry...all i can manage is .... DERRR !!!

[armstrong35 262]

A family member is good friends with Bate's mum and she said Bate wants to go to the Bulldogs for more of an opportunity.

[Lutz 76]

A family member is good friends with Bate's mum and she said Bate wants to go to the Bulldogs for more of an opportunity.

I'm pretty sure that's been rumoured in a HeraldSun article too.

I've read it somewhere, at least.

Wouldn't surprise me.

He reminds me of Hahn actually, but worse overhead.

[Lutz 76]

I wouldn't hold out too much hope of trading with Adelaide.

They've lost too many players going home interstate lately, for them to keep doing it.

Otherwise it sets an ugly precedent of caving whenever a player says they want out.

And Bailey intimately knows our list - what is trash & what is treasure.

We're unlikely to get a bargain anywhere, unless they underrate one of their own.

[Little Richard 6,265]

Warnock for Sentanta O....

If we make a play for Setanta, all my faith in our list management department will be lost - he is an absolute hack who is made to look reasonable by the midfield that delivers the ball to him.