The Waylen (aka Zyrus) Manson Thread

[PartyTimeJohnny 533]

Man, Jurrah and this guy in the same forward line......

[Deeoldfart 7,830]

He didnt re break it, he did his ACL and Shoulder in the one incident. Was not doing much up until then, writing was on the wall that was a terrible pick

That's not correct Don. Luke broke his leg so severely below the knee that when he put weight on it, it crumpled underneath him and for a time his knee and foot were side by side on the ground. This was mid-way through his first season. When he was on the come-back trail in his second season he injured his knee (I don't think it was ACL) and busted his collar bone. He was delisted and subsequently rookie listed, but his infant career never recovered from the injury setbacks. It's grossly unfair imo, to state that the "writing was on the wall that he was a terrible pick". Who knows what might have been if he hadn't suffered the injuries?

[H_T 2,941]

I don't think we 'need' Manson. We have forwards in Clark, Jurrah, Howe, Petterd, Watts, Green.

I think Jurrah is better, definately a better kick, and if he was playing in the NTFL, he'd be kicking 12+ goals each week and twice as many on Sundays looking at the standard.

But if the club picks him up, I'm wrong.

[PartyTimeJohnny 533]

I don't think we 'need' Manson. We have forwards in Clark, Jurrah, Howe, Petterd, Watts, Green.

I think Jurrah is better, definately a better kick, and if he was playing in the NTFL, he'd be kicking 12+ goals each week and twice as many on Sundays looking at the standard.

But if the club picks him up, I'm wrong.

I have to at mid H_T he probably wouldnt fit in too well down at the dees.

If anything we need a strong out and out crumber

[Don24 103]

That's not correct Don. Luke broke his leg so severely below the knee that when he put weight on it, it crumpled underneath him and for a time his knee and foot were side by side on the ground. This was mid-way through his first season. When he was on the come-back trail in his second season he injured his knee (I don't think it was ACL) and busted his collar bone. He was delisted and subsequently rookie listed, but his infant career never recovered from the injury setbacks. It's grossly unfair imo, to state that the "writing was on the wall that he was a terrible pick". Who knows what might have been if he hadn't suffered the injuries?

Funny because when I spoke to him he told me he got knocked out in a mid air contest and did his shoulder then fell awkwardly and did his knee. Reconstructions required on both. Recovery took much longer as they were on the same side and he could not have knee fixed until weeks after shoulder as he could not use crutches.

Anyway maybe he got confused about his own injuries and you are right?

[daisycutter 28,709]

Funny because when I spoke to him he told me he got knocked out in a mid air contest and did his shoulder then fell awkwardly and did his knee. Reconstructions required on both. Recovery took much longer as they were on the same side and he could not have knee fixed until weeks after shoulder as he could not use crutches.

Anyway maybe he got confused about his own injuries and you are right?

Um....sounds like you are agreeing with him if you are talking about incident in 2nd season

[Deeoldfart 7,830]

Um....sounds like you are agreeing with him if you are talking about incident in 2nd season

Sounds like it to me too Daisy. Anyway, my point is that most probably, injury played a major part in Luke's career never getting off the ground, and it's grossly unfair imo, to say he was a terrible pick. Through no fault of Luke's (or for that matter Craig Cameron who selected him), sheer bad luck meant that Luke never had a decent opportunity to show us what he had to offer.

[monoccular 16,509]

He didnt re break it, he did his ACL and Shoulder in the one incident. Was not doing much up until then, writing was on the wall that was a terrible pick

As I recall he broke his leg in his first season, possibly pre-season - not many "do much" up until then. And he did the other injuries when he eventually made a come back.

Really, how does that make "a terrible pick"? Please explain?

Rather, "an unknown" - and a bloody unlucky one at that.

Still, I am sure had we have been lucky enough to have you as our recruiter you would have predicted all that!

Edited November 23, 2011 by monoccular

[monoccular 16,509]

Man, Jurrah and this guy in the same forward line......

He looks exciting, in this competition, but as skinny as a rake; a bit of a Jurrah clone.

He would be a huge challenge to the fitness / body building staff, to get the balance between bulk and athleticism.

I guess the big question will be who else is there available at the time and what 'role' would they play?

Unlike Gulf of Mexico fishermen, I will put my faith in BP.

[RalphiusMaximus 5,994]

Honestly, the highlight reel makes me less interested. He's not overly fast by the looks of that footage, and those easy goals where he wheeled around and snapped were just too slow to work at AFL level. He'd be nailed every time he tried it. Likewise, his pack marks were a case of better judgement which is good, but nobody put any body pressure on him. He's not going to get away with that sort of play at the top level. It's good that he's kicking so many goals, but that footage raises a whole lot of questions in my mind.

[Redleg 38,191]

I am so glad that you had the opportunity to see Luke Molan in AFL senior action so as to be able to asses his capabilities or otherwise.

Nobody I know had that opportunity.

Was this before he broke his leg in his first preseason, or when he re-broke it, or when he did his shoulder in his VFL comeback?

It must be very easy, but only of course when one is an expert, to be hyper-critical of someone who due to freak impact injuries never had a chance to show his wares to the rest of us!

Calm down sport and think before you shoot your mouth off. Where in the following three words " or Luke Molan" which are the only words I posted, do I criticise Luke? I was saying yes, he might be Buddy ( a champion ) or Luke ( a player who never played an AFL game).

[Roger Mellie 3,611]

If we could rookie ZWM, that would be my preference. For all his natural attributes, he only lasted 2 or 3 games with the Claremont Colts before returning home and left halfway through the draft camp (sorry just cant call it a combine) and returned home. I think the go home factor is strong. Jurrah would be a huge help if he did come to Melbourne. Manson reminds me a little of Karl Pederson (sp?) who is also nominating for the draft.

If we did draft Manson, it would scream Malcom Blight rather than Malthouse on the coaching style front.

[Whispering_Jack 28,096]

If we could rookie ZWM, that would be my preference. For all his natural attributes, he only lasted 2 or 3 games with the Claremont Colts before returning home and left halfway through the draft camp (sorry just cant call it a combine) and returned home. I think the go home factor is strong. Jurrah would be a huge help if he did come to Melbourne. Manson reminds me a little of Karl Pederson (sp?) who is also nominating for the draft.

If we did draft Manson, it would scream Malcom Blight rather than Malthouse on the coaching style front.

I must admit I've been keen on him all the way but when I think of it I wonder if there's room in the team for both he and Liam Jurrah since they appear to have similar styles and would take similar roles.

We also have a crying need for midfield types and even though our selections are unlikely to yield us the eliIte, I think we should be trying to find someone like a Sam Mitchell or a Dane Swan at that time in the draft.

[cooko 124]

Rookie him?

[daisycutter 28,709]

told you he was a rookie contender at best - too speculative

[Jordie_tackles 354]

told you he was a rookie contender at best - too speculative

Yeah i was convinced he would be worth the punt obviously wrong.

In terms of our list, probably not what we need is he, but would be crazy having him and Jurrah running around

The hype is funny isnt it....James Seller instead, lets hope neil Craig knows something nobody else does

[Dee Fan 3,247]

told you he was a rookie contender at best - too speculative

Me too, I think he may be lucky to get there as well. May find a home at Port or even North ala Majak Daw.

[daisycutter 28,709]

Me too, I think he may be lucky to get there as well. May find a home at Port or even North ala Majak Daw.

I don't think the report from his 'manager' in the Hun today did him any favours

Wanted to be a part-time player

[DEELIRIOUS 156]

I don't think he will make, seems to have talent, but poor fitness and reluctance to become a professional footballer. One of many possible wasted Indigenous talents, could become one of the great Aboriginal players who don't play AFL, COULD!

[Whispering_Jack 28,096]

Up in Darwin yesterday, the Waratahs, with star forwards Brendan Fevola, Waylen Manson and Kayne Pettifer all missing out on the action, slumped to the second successive defeat, this time against lowly Wanderers by 38 points.

Manson has now missed the last two games raising questions in some quarters as to whether he has been advised to "lay low" in advance of the rookie draft.

According to this item in the NT News Manson is still confident of being drafted next week - Tah's Manson still confident of AFL call

[Parma 28]

The Herald Sun did a story on a player with a simular story to LJ but I didn't see him as a drafted player.

Does anyone remember who he was and if he got drafted or not? If not, maybe someone the Dees could look at as a rookie with LJ as a mentor to help him settle in.

[daisycutter 28,709]

Could a mod please direct Parma to the Waylen Manson thread on the trading and drafting board?

Edited November 27, 2011 by Whispering_Jack
Moved post as per message

[jayceebee31 692]

Up in Darwin yesterday, the Waratahs, with star forwards Brendan Fevola, Waylen Manson and Kayne Pettifer all missing out on the action, slumped to the second successive defeat, this time against lowly Wanderers by 38 points.

Manson has now missed the last two games raising questions in some quarters as to whether he has been advised to "lay low" in advance of the rookie draft.

According to this item in the NT News Manson is still confident of being drafted next week - Tah's Manson still confident of AFL call

Manson is back home, Been there a fortnight as you rightly state.He will be picked up- hopefully by us,even if it may require a heavy workload to condition him here,especially as you have stated we seem to have released Ian Flack.

[Pennant St Dee 11,605]

anyone know how he went at draft camp

I'm sorry to be cynical but LJ has shown glimpses without setting the world on fire and Aussie for a lot of reasons beyond his control just lacked the desperation and drive to make it. Fairytail stories rarely happen and it's time this club made the real hard decisions, Manson turned up at draft camp in thongs to do some of his runs and slept in for the day of the endurance testing or that is what was reported, so I'm sorry I am not willing to take the risk on him even as a rookie give me a Woewodin or Dean Cox any day as a rookie prepared to put in the hard yards and do whatever it takes to make it

[rpfc 27,657]

I'm sorry to be cynical but LJ has shown glimpses without setting the world on fire and Aussie for a lot of reasons beyond his control just lacked the desperation and drive to make it. Fairytail stories rarely happen and it's time this club made the real hard decisions, Manson turned up at draft camp in thongs to do some of his runs and slept in for the day of the endurance testing or that is what was reported, so I'm sorry I am not willing to take the risk on him even as a rookie give me a Woewodin or Dean Cox any day as a rookie prepared to put in the hard yards and do whatever it takes to make it

Yeah, get all that but LJ hasn't pulled his finger out but can still kick 40 goals in the AFL...

That's more than 'showing glimpses.'