THE QUESTION OF COMPENSATION

[Goodvibes 3,596]

Different thread, different rules.

There's actually quite a few laughs to be had in this one.

People need to lighten up a bit.

You've almost single handedly made coming to Demonland a less enjoyable experience than it once was for me. Don't tell me to lighten up. Feel free to search through my history of posts and see how many times I've succumbed to responding to individuals rather than focusing on the subject matter. It speaks volumes of the drivel that has spewed forth from your mouth and the sad pleasure you're gaining from what is an extremely disappointing development in what has been a god-awful year.

[Damo 3,356]

Sorry RR thats an epic fail as I have never seen the captain goodvibes go anyone ever...

[Range Rover 1,935]

You've almost single handedly made coming to Demonland a less enjoyable experience than it once was for me. Don't tell me to lighten up. Feel free to search through my history of posts and see how many times I've succumbed to responding to individuals rather than focusing on the subject matter. It speaks volumes of the drivel that has spewed forth from your mouth and the sad pleasure you're gaining from what is an extremely disappointing development in what has been a god-awful year.

[Range Rover 1,935]

Sorry RR thats an epic fail as I have never seen the captain goodvibes go anyone ever...

If that's the case I call it an epic win.

[Pennant St Dee 13,173]

Different thread, different rules.

There's actually quite a few laughs to be had in this one.

People need to lighten up a bit.

Just put a post on every thread "That Scully is gone", we get the message you have been portraying it for months, FFS how many different ways must you try and convey the same message

[Goodvibes 3,596]

If that's the case I call it an epic win.

So you're basically admitting you're a troll. I'm not sure what the rules are about that . . . .

Anyway it's the last you've heard of me RR. You've driven me away from Demonland until this sorry saga is over.

[Redleg 40,925]

There's actually quite a few laughs to be had in this one.

You are welcome.

[Deeman 1,497]

You are welcome.

Cheers Redleg,

I'm one of those Demon supporters who has had a gutful of the BS on the Tom Scully threads but I am vitally interested in the subject of compensation for the MFC if Scully finally decides against staying with us.

I have no desire to wade through that rubbish to find decent discussion about something that does interest me in regards to the situation.

So well done sir!

[Redleg 40,925]

Cheers Redleg,

I'm one of those Demon supporters who has had a gutful of the BS on the Tom Scully threads but I am vitally interested in the subject of compensation for the MFC if Scully finally decides against staying with us.

I have no desire to wade through that rubbish to find decent discussion about something that does interest me in regards to the situation.

So well done sir!

Thank you and you are most welcome. I agree, that thread has been one of the most boring, repetitive, useless threads ever seen on Demonland. For 6 months we have had 1000's of posts that have said nothing more than he will go, no he won't. That is why I started the Not A TS Thread just so we could get away from the other thread and often just have a laugh.

Getting back to my idea I am staggered that so few have commented on it. Whether it is a good or bad idea I would have thought it would have prompted discussion on Demonland. Clearly trying to improve our compensation position if the worst happens is of little interest to Demonlanders. Oh well, the price of bananas has remained steady.

Seriously though, if anyone has any ideas how to get good compo if we lose TS, please post it.

[Redleg 40,925]

A poster on Demonology suggested that if TS had any concern for the MFC if he goes to GWS, he could ask to be traded. Interesting suggestion. I suppose if GWS agreed they would have all the bargaining chips as they could take him for nothing if TS had already signed.

What about if Barry Prendergast and Tim Harrington arrange a meeting with Anderson and Demetriou and break down crying.

[einstein251 61]

Could we ask as compensation the right to play GWS twice next season with the opener in round 1 at Blacktown?

[hells bells 2,023]

The question really raised by this is whether the AFL is above the laws of the land?

The AFL is a big business. The TV rights alone generate well over $1billion over five years.

WJ this is something that has been bothering me more and more over the past 12 months and I think in time it may be seen as a further disintegration of the qualities that has made this game great. How will we feel if the Suns or the Giants defeat us in a big final, or heaven help us a Grand Final, knowing that the AFL has basically doctored the competition so the Gold Coast and GWS are successful to ensure they stay popular and valid. What will that do to those supporters who have waited over 50 years to see a premiership knowing that the governing body has conspired to give one of their upstart franchises a leg up whose 5000 supporters have only seen a dozen games between them. It doesn't just bode poorly for us, Richmond, Western Bulldogs, North could suffer the same fate in the next 5-10 years.

At some point the AFL has to remember their role is to organize the competition, not orchestrate the competition or an army of passionate supporters will be lost to the game.

[felixdacat 459]

FYI

Gary Lyon on Triple M talking about Sam Mitchell GWS rumour mentioned Jaeger O'Meara and the GWS Incentive trades as described below on the AFL Website

7. Incentive to other clubs trading with GWS Giants in the 2011 and 2012 post-season:

GWS Giants to be given access to four 17-year-olds born in the January to April 1994 window, with all players to be traded to other clubs. Selections will be allocated to GWS Giants so the club can trade for established players, but the club will not have access to these 17-year-olds. If the four trades are not completed in the 2011 post-season, the balance of up to four trades may be used in the 2012 trading period.

May have all been said before but Gary does have an interesting view regarding what he believes should be put into any these incentive deals.

Gary Lyon tries to explain how number 7 the incentive trade may work on Triple M. Mind you he premises it with thats how he see it so make of it what you will it can be found Here

[Little Goffy 14,545]

So, a first round comensation pick can't be used this year, but later picks can, so long as the club annouced it before the start of this season.

What if a club gets a compensation pick traded to them, and then wants to use it that same year? Guess not.

I guess this also means that clubs which want to use a compensation pick in 2012 have to trade for them this year. Given the alleged super-draft of 2012 coming through, and the fact that there will be approximately 6 hours left of trade week once the GWS 17-year-old-meat-market is done, we could see a few heads explode in the rush to the line.

But that is always the funniest part of the trade week farce, anyway.

[old55 23,573]

If TS goes and if he cares about how he is viewed by MFC fans and if he cares about the MFC and its players, what would stop us asking him to put a condition on his move. That condition being that GWS do a deal with MFC to give us O'Meara for one of our compensation picks and maybe a player if necessary like Warnock, who would be a good get for the new club. GWS would do anything to get the TS move to happen and if he put this as a condition I would imagine they would agree as the upside of getting TS would be enormous for them. TS could then do something for us on the way out and repay some of what has been invested in him, in emotion, time, effort etc.

In my view this would soften his departure immensely and stop a lot of nastiness that would be sure to follow his departure both to him, GWS and the AFL.

I think it's a very good idea in theory - to keep it simple, get an agreement from GWS to give us pick 1 in the U17 draft for whatever compensation we get for Scully.

The problem is in implementation - Scully is not going to do that off his own bat - he's not privy or qualified on MFC list management to concoct a deal. We'd have to ask him to do this deal for us and I think all our interaction with him is going to be focussed on him accepting our offer. I think it weakens our position if we say "but if you do decide to go ..." and I can't see that conversation happening.

If he does decide to go to GWS he'll tell them before he tells us I reckon so the horse will have bolted.

[Whispering_Jack 30,131]

Link Here

Giants' draft rules explained

Compensation picks

Further, as part of the entry rules and in line with the rules that are in operation for the Gold Coast Football Club, Demetriou said the AFL Commission had again confirmed that any club that lost a player to the expansion side would be eligible for a compensation pick.

Compensation picks will be tradeable and can be used by clubs at any time within five years covering the period 2011 to 2015. First round compensation picks can not be until the 2012 draft onwards. Clubs will be required to nominate the year in which they plan to use the compensation pick before the first round of the Toyota AFL season in that particular year.

As per the rules with Gold Coast, the compensatory pick would be assessed around the player’s age (greater weighting for younger players), club contract ranking (greater weighting for club key players), on field performance (greater weighting for strong club best and fairest performance) and draft position if less than four years experience.

This ranking system will then determine if a club is eligible for a compensatory pick in one of five spots -- first round pick, end of first round pick, second round pick, end of second round pick or third round pick. Under the model, the round one, round two or round three picks would be taken immediately after the pick the club already has in that round in the draft that year.

Is that the totality of the compensation rules?

I'm sure that someone wrote that clubs could apply for special compensation in anomalous situations where the rules didn't provide adequate compensation and that a panel of two appointed by the AFL would determine the issue. Was this something that was dreamed up by a journalist or just a figment of my imagination?

Also, I think the fact that first round GWS compensation picks can't be traded this year is a change from the Gold Coast rules because last year the Cats used their first compensatory pick to get Billie Smedts. I wonder why the rule was changed?

[cowboy_from_hell 2,390]

Now that i think about it Scully had a sensational 2011; should win our B&F easily.

good stuff! totally agree what a year scully had!

[Redleg 40,925]

"THE AFL's most wanted player Tom Scully has flown to Sydney today to inspect the training and base facilities of Greater Western Sydney ahead of an imminent decision on his playing future."

That is the opening line from the Herald Sun article today. Now someone please tell me how if true and a number 1 priority pick at 20, being offered in excees of $1m a year for 5 years and the Captaincy at his new club is not worth the number 1 pick in this draft plus another mid first round pick. We will not get that, but anything less other than 1st pick of the under 17's plus another first round pick is nothing less than theft.

The AFL is determined to make GSW succeed and we all accept that but they also act for us as well. They are determining our compo and if we are unhappy 2 other AFL employees are acting as an "anomaly board" to hear any appeal. Any conflicts there so far? Unless we have done a deal with the AFL on this, if we end up with less than what was offered by Port for Trengove's pick before his drafting, we have been royally screwed by the AFL and it will be time for MFC supporters to rise up or forever be known as weak. If we are weak don't expect more from our players. I await the next instalment with dread.

Edited September 11, 2011 by Redleg

[Guest Darren Lamb]

Yes, but how do we rise up?

Serious question, not defeatist rhetoric.

[old55 23,573]

Also, I think the fact that first round GWS compensation picks can't be traded this year is a change from the Gold Coast rules because last year the Cats used their first compensatory pick to get Billie Smedts. I wonder why the rule was changed?

Geelong traded one of the Ablett compensation picks to Gold Coast for pick 15.

Compensation picks will be tradeable and can be used by clubs at any time within five years covering the period 2011 to 2015. First round compensation picks can not be [used] until the 2012 draft onwards.

It's bad grammar but that means they can be traded but the can't be used until 2012.

Edited September 11, 2011 by old55

[beelzebub 23,376]

I was watching the TAC show..but got distracted.. supposed to be some commentary about compensations picks etc.. anyone catch it ?

cheers

[warren dean 193]

I was watching the TAC show..but got distracted.. supposed to be some commentary about compensations picks etc.. anyone catch it ?

cheers

Yeah, I saw it. Plough said he thought it had to be a mid first round and end of first round, same as for Ablett based on the criteria set by the AFL. They didn't ask Shifter as he is on the committee which decides.

I think the best compensation we could get is 2 games against GWS next year. Looking forward to flogging them.

[don cordner 204]

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/dees-could-get-ablettlike-compo-for-scully-20110616-1g61f.html

I would like to start a thread that the topic is only! what we will recieve in return for losing scully..

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

Harry Kewell...

[Deefender 232]

One Herald Sun journalist suggested that it would be fair to receive the

number one draft pick but in 2012.

Sounds about fair.

First pick in 2011 is compromised.