POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 21

[Demons12 3]

I was thinking about emailing the club and venting my anger. Just wondering if anyone else has and what reply you got.

[Pates 9,537]

What’s really grinding my gears is that we’ve come so far and yet we still manage to be the laughing stock of the competition. 

Now I think it’s partially because the media keeps building us up as contenders when very few actually following us never said anything like it. But I’m sick of us being laughed at. 

[red&blue1982 252]

17 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Wow - big tuff Buddy taking out one of the lightest built guys on the ground while he isn't looking.

What's as concerning is the total lack of reaction from our other blokes standing right next to it.

This is a good reminder that our game is thuggish. A disturbing reminder perhaps. But it  highlights our lack of nastiness. 

I think most who see that video clip will find it disturbing how none of our teammates attacked Buddy after that.

[layzie 28,936]

11 minutes ago, Pates said:

What’s really grinding my gears is that we’ve come so far and yet we still manage to be the laughing stock of the competition. 

Now I think it’s partially because the media keeps building us up as contenders when very few actually following us never said anything like it. But I’m sick of us being laughed at. 

It feels like we’ve worked our way up to finally be a Richmond (pre success). 

[Wolfgang219 73]

16 minutes ago, red&blue1982 said:

This is a good reminder that our game is thuggish. A disturbing reminder perhaps. But it  highlights our lack of nastiness. 

I think most who see that video clip will find it disturbing how none of our teammates attacked Buddy after that.

Surely you are not talking about the Nev Jetta tackle over the  boundary line???

 

Buddy has tried to run through him with strength but Nev dived at him and hit his head into buddy’s shoulder (nearly from behind) during the attempted tackle. 

 

Courergous act by Nev but buddy hasn’t done anything wrong. 

 

Unless their is another incident dent I can’t recall?? 

 

[layzie 28,936]

38 minutes ago, Demons12 said:

I was thinking about emailing the club and venting my anger. Just wondering if anyone else has and what reply you got.

How did you go? I’ve thought about this before but I don’t want some poor receptionist to cop it. 

[Dee Zephyr 17,669]

51 minutes ago, Demons12 said:

I was thinking about emailing the club and venting my anger. Just wondering if anyone else has and what reply you got.

Vent your anger here first (responsibly). We listen....sort of. Save the draft, you never know, we might still get to September.

Edited August 13, 2018 by Dee Zephyr

[Earl Hood 5,789]

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

They were 2 men down and we let them control the footy and chip it around. Our brainless leaders kept bombing it to Aliir and Heeney. We should have been controlling the footy and making them run at us - tiring them out.

We also kept turning over the footy like under 12s. When they got a run on we had no idea what to do. Its happened 6 times this year and our coaching panel are clueless on how to deal with it.

Forget the kicking, the above is the reason we will go nowhere even if we do make it. No footy IQ amongst anyone playing.

Agreed Jnr but my point is our game plan lacks smarts, it is all about us, not about playing for the situation. We are attack at all costs and depend perhaps inordinately on an average conversion rate in front of goal. We have all the deficiencies you mentioned and more but hope to cover them through total attack and scoring pressure. This is Goodwin’s blueprint I think. 

It has been demonstrated to work against inferior sides but......

[red&blue1982 252]

30 minutes ago, Wolfgang219 said:

Surely you are not talking about the Nev Jetta tackle over the  boundary line???

 

Buddy has tried to run through him with strength but Nev dived at him and hit his head into buddy’s shoulder (nearly from behind) during the attempted tackle. 

 

Courergous act by Nev but buddy hasn’t done anything wrong. 

 

Unless their is another incident dent I can’t recall?? 

 

I thought the video would be attached with the quote. I'll try get it now.

[red&blue1982 252]

37 minutes ago, Wolfgang219 said:

Surely you are not talking about the Nev Jetta tackle over the  boundary line???

 

Buddy has tried to run through him with strength but Nev dived at him and hit his head into buddy’s shoulder (nearly from behind) during the attempted tackle. 

 

Courergous act by Nev but buddy hasn’t done anything wrong. 

 

Unless their is another incident dent I can’t recall?? 

 

This one.

[old55 21,356]

13 hours ago, praha said:

Anyone who thinks we lost because of our kicking for goal is clueless. 

watch the second quarter. watch our defensive awareness (or lack thereof). Watch the latest All Access video on the AFL website.

The club hasn't played finals in 11 years, we continue to buy memberships...watching that [censored] is infuriating. It was round 23 all over again. They were two down on the bench ffs. We are in year 5 of a rebuild. we mark the ball at half back with 90 seconds left, and look for a short pass. How dense can you be? How much of a loser can you be?

To make finals we have to -- in two weeks -- break every stereotype that has clouded the club for 50 years. We haven't done it in 5 decades. How are we going to do it in 2 weeks?

Clueless?  According to you the reason  we lost because of something that happened 50 years ago and not because we were 4.14.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,496]

20 hours ago, chook fowler said:

We really are a very passive club. There is no hard edge to take us to finals. We were playing 3 men down with Spargo, Garlett and Hunt as non- contributors. Goodwin needed to show some dissatisfaction with the performance, instead he let them off the hook. Pathetic really.

The clips I saw of Goodwins presser were fine. He is trying to nurture this young group and get them to focus on what they can control and try and instil belief that they can do it. Going off chop and calling players out like Neeld or Blight would not have been the right move.

[SFebes 4,692]

9 hours ago, red&blue1982 said:

This is a good reminder that our game is thuggish. A disturbing reminder perhaps. But it  highlights our lack of nastiness. 

I think most who see that video clip will find it disturbing how none of our teammates attacked Buddy after that.

Absolutely pizz weak by all around Bailey there, they didn't even blink.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,496]

19 hours ago, jackaub said:

Yes there are, but our guys either won't or don't think they need to attend. 

Too hard apparently and complain to the players association.

We need a "roll eyes" option on the like button for posts like these

[old dee 22,927]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

The clips I saw of Goodwins presser were fine. He is trying to nurture this young group and get them to focus on what they can control and try and instil belief that they can do it. Going off chop and calling players out like Neeld or Blight would not have been the right move.

I simply don't listen to them Dr. After 54 years in the wilderness all I want to hear is that we won because......

I have heard ever other bit of coach speak more than I need.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,496]

18 hours ago, Jaded said:

It seems a lot of people are big fans of Goodwin. I'm on the fence. If we make finals this year I'll be more convinced. 

If given the choice between Goodwin next year or grabbing Clarkson, I know who I'd be throwing buckets of cash at.  There are coaches out there getting max output from inferior lists. Goodwin is not one of those coaches. In fact, I think we have under performed again this year. 

My biggest issue is the lack of learning from game to game. We've had a lot of close matches this year, yet we repeat pretty much the same mistakes in each one. We are bloody lucky Betts missed that easy shot two weeks ago, or we would have lost that game as well.

If the two Cats games go in our favour have we still underperformed? We would be sitting on 14 wins and 3rd on the ladder.

[What 18,810]

9 hours ago, Demons12 said:

I was thinking about emailing the club and venting my anger. Just wondering if anyone else has and what reply you got.

What are you going to say?

We lost a game by 9 points in which we kicked 10.18.  We are 7th on the ladder with two games left.  

Remember during the Crows game when Fritsch kicked a goal and Goodwin was almost in tears in the box?  The club is in good hands.  The coach loves the club and players and wants nothing more than to win.

Lets see how the last two games play out. 

[SFebes 4,692]

5 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

What are you going to say?

We lost a game by 9 points in which we kicked 10.18.  We are 7th on the ladder with two games left.  

Remember during the Crows game when Fritsch kicked a goal and Goodwin was almost in tears in the box?  The club is in good hands.  The coach loves the club and players and wants nothing more than to win.

Lets see how the last two games play out. 

WQe actually kicked 10.14, 4 were rushed behinds 

[Jaded No More 58,136]

26 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

If the two Cats games go in our favour have we still underperformed? We would be sitting on 14 wins and 3rd on the ladder.

I don't deal in Ifs and Buts. What if Betts kicked that goal 3 weeks ago? 

The facts are, we have lost too many close games and have not learnt from those. We also lost to St Kilda who are rubbish and we haven't won a single high-pressure game.

We have improved significantly, no doubt, but not making finals in 2018 is a big big failure. 

[Mazer Rackham 14,969]

33 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

If the two Cats games go in our favour have we still underperformed? We would be sitting on 14 wins and 3rd on the ladder.

The difference between losing and winning those Cats games are two straight kicks, and two lightyears of mental strength.

[praha 10,285]

1 hour ago, Fifty-5 said:

Clueless?  According to you the reason  we lost because of something that happened 50 years ago and not because we were 4.14.

did you read what I wrote? I said we have to break stereotypes. where did I say anything even remotely close to "we lost because of something that happened 50 years ago"?

[Superunknown 3,331]

 

33 minutes ago, praha said:

did you read what I wrote? I said we have to break stereotypes. where did I say anything even remotely close to "we lost because of something that happened 50 years ago"?

In the interests of accuracy, part of what you said was " Anyone who thinks we lost because of our kicking for goal is clueless.  "

Now, it's true it might not be the only reason, but the numbers don't lie - turn 4.14 around and the discussion is academic.

I blame the inaccuracy first. Whether its root cause is lack of composure, whatever, end result, bad kicking, bad footy.

[old55 21,356]

36 minutes ago, praha said:

did you read what I wrote? I said we have to break stereotypes. where did I say anything even remotely close to "we lost because of something that happened 50 years ago"?

Yes I did

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To make finals we have to -- in two weeks -- break every stereotype that has clouded the club for 50 years. We haven't done it in 5 decades. How are we going to do it in 2 weeks?

Nothing that happened 50 years ago has any bearing on the next 2 weeks or the path this group at the club is taking over the next few years.  Jesse Hogan didn't miss easy shots on the weekend because Simon Eishold missed in the 87 Prelim and we didn't narrowly miss the finals last year because Bobby Skilton's team did in 1976.

There is a whole new regime at the club - President and Board, CEO and staff, Coach and Football Department, playing list. - creating their own history. And I am very confident we're in the start of a very successful era.

You don't have the self-awareness or perspective to understand that the stereotype that has clouded the club for 50 years is you and supporters like you.  That the only place that there is a link between Norm Smith's sacking and what happened on Sunday is in your mind.  And the only concern I have is that you and supporters like you could actually be close enough to the club to infect it with your losing culture.

We are a young club that is learning to win big matches the hard way.  You would be well served to actually listen to what Simon Goodwin says instead of the voices of doom in your head.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,496]

20 hours ago, -Ⓥ- said:

I was thinking about this this morning.

What's your level of confidence for MFC to win a flag if

- Goodwin is coaching? (Mine is close to 0, and that's informed by the last two seasons, more than any feelings about yesterday's game, which I'm mostly circumspect about as I completely expected capitulation.)

- Clarkson is coaching? (Mine would be a lot higher, e.g. 100% in next 5 years).

- Choose your favourite coaching prospect or change to the coaching team (+ Caracella etc etc:

Hawks supporters were calling for Clarkson's head early in his coaching career. Food for thought.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,496]

18 hours ago, DeeZee said:

If Spargo and Hunt come out for Melksham and Hibberd then after learning that Jeffry didn’t lay one tackle, I would much prefer Kent.

Pedersen has to go out for Hibberd - unless Hogan is injured then he switches forward