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We're already winners by not being Collingwood.

To those who prefer to lose for better draft position I say, take a look at our history. It's never been a successful strategy for us. whether its pick 6 or pick 10 JT will find a good player. I want to win to finish the season on a high. and i want to win because I hate the pies. I don't understand the mindset of a supporter that isn't fussed if we win or not. Trying to win is not optional. every time we play these bastards we play to win, dead rubber or not. I reckon we'll put in a performance for ANB. Been a great servant. We will have a proper dip in his farewell game. Feeling confident. Dees by 20 points.

He'll miss 2025's Opening Round, Preliminary Round, Additional Round, and Extra Round, and will be available for Round One

Well, so it ends. From the Oliver trade story 11 months ago, into Joel Smith, into copping a fixture that we now can see was as difficult as could be, into Gus, we had an off-season we all wanted to believe we'd put behind us, but which ultimately wrecked us before we even set foot onto the SCG for Opening Round. At the absolute least, the capitulation from 6-2 and 4th on the ladder after Round 8 to 11-12 and in the bottom 6 with a sub-100% percentage tells us that we do not have the right list, coaching staff and general approach to contend, so it forces us to change. We can't sit still, make list changes at the fringes, and go again. Already seen a stack of posters going on about getting a key forward. That's not the number one issue. The number one issue is, and has been all year, our midfield. Even assuming Trac and Clarry get back to their peak levels next year, we don't have enough depth or support through the middle, nor do we have anywhere near enough quality ball users. We need a complete re-think of how we approach the midfield in 2025. After the midfield, I don't want an A-grade forward as much as I want a cheap third tall who can ruck and therefore allow us to stop rucking JVR. It's wasting his development. I don't hate Petty as a forward as much as others (although I find it hard to run that argument when we gave him 20 games this year for 9 goals) but if the consequence of getting a proper second ruck is that we have to play Petty back, that's not exactly a bad thing. And the other thing I care about? Our fitness. We didn't have repeat soft tissue injuries but we also didn't look fit enough for most of the year. We won just 10 of our 23 fourth quarters, which is a shadow of the side we were in 2021-23. Whatever approach we took to fitness this year failed IMO. Let's celebrate the wins of the year (getting Windsor, Rivers in the middle, McVee again (but not as a mid), Gawn's hopeful 7th AA jacket) but acknowledge that on most measurements this was a failure.

Tommy Mac earned himself another contract tonight

I’m 100% convinced Moore did not suffer concussion. Collingwood are an unethical organisation, wouldn’t put it past them

Draft picks are a bit of a lottery. Beating the Pies would be glorious. I say let’s thump the bastards.

I've been posting here for a long time and people will have formed their views on the value of my content, but I think it's fair to say, as the artist formerly known as Pollyanna, I'm generally very supportive of the club. But not in this instance. I've come to know Peter Lawrence since he started to campaign for greater transparency and democracy in our board elections. I've found him to be of high moral character, someone with broad ranging views that I admire. He's intelligent, empathetic and generous. His actions in this matter are all about making the Melbourne Football Club better and not at all about self-agrandisement. He's paid a big cost reputationally and financially in his quest for a better club and he has directly sought to minimise the costs to MFC. As @Dr Don Duffy said, the board "won" this action against Lawrence but only after they adopted 4 of the 5 changes he was promoting during the course of the court action. It doesn't reflect well on this board that they couldn't find a way to accommodate a capable and passionate person like Peter Lawrence and ended up in court twice with outcomes almost totally in favour of his original positions.

i enjoyed booing Maynard all game.

Anyone hoping for a loss tonight, to get a better Draft Pick should be put on “ignore” immediately. Unbelievable that anyone would think that way after what happened 10-12 years ago We go out to Win tonight…..

Delusional take. We played them on Kings Birthday with a third if their team out and they still killed us. It's about mindset, they have the right attitude we fall to water when it counts. Yeah we can beat up on a soulless Suns team but can we apply the same pressure/aggression against a Pies team with their rabid supporters screaming from the stands? Some of the efforts to ight were deplorable, many of them when the game was still alive early. They were not the only culprits but Bowey and Fritsch were two notable ones who just [censored] themselves at the thought of contact. It's actually embarassing the way we continue to have our pants pulled down by this mob. We've beaten them twice since 2017 and one of those games was at the Gabba. What does it take for us to say "no more" we will not let this mob roll over us anymore!? It has nothing to do with gameplan, footskills, turnovers etc and has everything to do with mindset and aggression at the opposition and the contest.

Burn the tape, throw it in the bin, burn the bin

Do I need to dredge up some of your other tips this year?

My husband is coming along, but of course he’s lost the good charm vibes after the Port loss so he’s essentially dead to me.

AMW's manager was on Gettable and implied that he was almost certain to re-sign soon.

Can't sleep. Never been so excited for a dead rubber💙❤️

Well, unlike I suspect many of the people on this thread, I have been at the game. All our best midfielders were out. Lever and May were not playing. Free kicks were 3 to one in their favour. We made some terrible errors, but I think our players did their best and I'm not going to criticise them.

Really not sure about Woewodin

I [censored] HATE this club. Bunch of absolute soft [censored] who go down like a pile of feathers the minute you touch them. 12-2 free kicks. What a sick [censored] joke this competition is. Also [censored] YOU MAYNARD

Sure Ken

My daughter saw this in Munich of all places. Who would have thought u would see this in Munich. They had Petracca, Viney, Oliver and Fritch. Hopefully it’s a good sign for tonight. Go Dees

Umps are on Daicos Brownlow watch. Called a free back to Nick after they had taken advantage and had 3 possessions. The AFL might want to check their SportsBet accounts tonight

Well said old55. I certainly don't agree with some of the treatment of Mr Lawrence. We have one Demonlander who has confessed to stalking Mr Lawrence with the use of various email identities. Childish and dangerous. Another Demonlander inciting the use of bricks. What have we come to?

Re Ollie Sestan and KFW who are both speculative picks on the rookie list. Recent changes to Rookies now allow 5 years to develop players in particular rucks. This may also include Luker who is a big strong lad. KFY is a basketballer who was sent to the ammo's to get some experience as a first ruck. I have watched him there and seen improvement. He has a decent leap and a good set of hands but clearly hasn't played a lot of footy. His family is always there supporting him and I think I read somewhere that the MFC dietician had outlined a diet designed to bulk him up. He has a great attitude. Ollie wasn't in the conventional system but is a natural footballer who if anyone noted put in an enormous pre-season. His first full preseason, and a massive change in body shape. he trimmed down, got fitter and spent more time in the midfield. One of his metrics was to get from 12 km a game up to 15km. He would go into centre bounces where he showed he was good at getting clearances. The only MFC-listed players at Casey who could get clearances were Ollie, Laurie & Pup Brown. Too many are quick to judge and I trust the club to decide which metrics he has achieved. I believe he has earned another season. Luker, well he is young, relocated and put into an elite system which would have been a massive culture shock. AMW has taken 3 years and is now starting to blossom but he started from a long way back. Just look at his early photos and his physique now. It is unreasonable to have too high an expectation of any of these 3 and each needs time to develop.

Wrong. AAMI was instituted by the Stynes board. Cranbourne by Stynes/McLarty. It is the current boards inaction for the past 10 years that has been the problem.

The Dees played insipid, error riddled & uninspiring footy all night and in a lightning delayed match they eventually succumbed to Collingwood by 46 points at the MCG in the final game of the year. Thank God this season is finally over. Bring on 2025.

It's time to acknowledge the major issue we have against that mob. 3 - 10 our record during Goodwin's era. We let them get ascendency from the start of our games. We lack the physicality and pride necessary to stand up against these thugs. What do we need to do?

Booing Maynard was cathartic. And it put him off his game. He is already a bog ordinary footballer, but boy did he stink it up tonight. I hope we boo him like that for the rest of his miserable garbage career. A gutless thug.

Collingwood played tonight with zero big forward. Repeat....ZERO. Will Hoskin Elliott was their big forward. That's what a coaching staff with balls and ingenuity do. Persisting with Petty to the detriment of his development and the teams development for a total output of 8 goals or something for the year is proof that our stubborn, idiotic coaching staff are going nowhere in the modern game. He should have spent the entire season back, learning from May before he finishes up. Tomlinson basically played for the opposition tonight and Hore not much better. I just can't...seriously. Bailey Laurie is a reasonably high pick who's had 3 years of vfl midfield invested in him. Topped all the running pre season. With our midfield decimated, he doesn't get a shot. Instead we throw our brilliant, 1v1 winning, tall/small skinny damaging half back into a role that anyone who actually understands footy can tell he has no scope for. So McVee gets the benefit of learning midfield on the job, while Laurie does not. Yeah Laurie might not be great....but he really hasn't had a shot. Certainly not the shot that McVee has had the last 3/4 games putting up shameful midfield numbers and showing he has no idea how to operate in congestion or even off balance. The place is run by [censored]. Genuinely. They've no idea.

No Petracca, May, Lever, Oliver, Windsor, Sparrow. Who actually thought we’d win this game? Throw it in the bin and let’s go again next year.

I'm still getting over jaded making 20+ pies supporters tossed out. BOG.

I wanted to stay for Nibbler but I’ve had a truly horrible day and it took a lot of effort just to get there today. I lost my voice abusing Maynard. I got 20 Pies filth kicked out of the members area. I’m done.

Agree 100% We have a psychological issue with this mob.

They spread so much better than we do. They spread like butter left out on the bench on a warm day. We're butter coming straight out of the fridge.

Tmac having a great game

25 points the vitriol on this site would say it 70. Got so many inexperienced players running around what do people expect. It amazes me why people bother if it upset them that much.

There's no doubt Roffey's email was disingenuous. It's Christian Porter-esque, to be honest, and insulting to members as a result. Over the last few years I've generally found myself disapproving of Peter Lawrence's actions. As much as you and his other supporters on here seek to characterise his push for change as noble and in pursuit of best practice, it has always, and IMO reading the judgment clearly remains, also in push of his selfish desires. However, the judgment makes relatively clear enough that the club ultimately couldn't resist most of what he was asking for, because the majority of his proposals were clearly fair and reasonable. For that, the failure to work this out prior to litigation is a failure which sits as much on the club as anyone else. At its core, I continue to think that his selfish desires got in the way of a better and more important message. Even with what should be considered largely a success, I doubt he would ever be elected to the board, and I think that's something he should accept responsibility for. Related to that, I noticed the following parts of the judgment: The judge accepted that the board acted bona fide and without collateral motive, balancing the club's interests against Peter's. That is contrary to what I believe Peter has argued, and what I know some on here have argued (i.e. that the board had ulterior motives, designed to protect them or their boys/girls club) Peter persisted with the litigation because he wants the club to allow candidates for election to be able to go on radio and TV and give interviews in which they are permitted to disparage not just the current board, but members, players, the club at large and other candidates. The club's board and governance is important, but not important enough that we should be having candidates running a Trump v Harris style debate in public, bringing the club to the forefront of the media where we've been spending far too much time of late Both the club and Peter were faintly criticised by the judge for comparing the club's rules to other club's. The judge made it clear that is irrelevant. There's no doubt the club's election rules are in a better place now than they were 2 years ago, and for that Peter deserves credit, but the ends do not always justify the means. PS: there's also no doubt the board has failed in a number of its own KPIs (so to speak). The home base situation is a debacle.

I just hate the filth.

100% I have my own thoughts on our board, and certainly they are far from perfect, Kate included. But what I do like is that our board stays far away from football matters in a public sense. Brad Green would be the only board member who should have any type of involvement in the footy department, given his experience. Kate and the rest of the board should be concentrating on governing the club, not running commentary on every players' trade status for goodness sake.

Whilst critical of our president on the other matter I agree with you. Not appropriate for her to get involved on football issues

For the last time in season 2024. It’s game day baby. Pumped! Get to the G tonight to farewell Nibbler and BBB. Two premiership heroes. Go Dees. SN34

It’s a win win game for mine. I want to see 100% effort and if that gets us over the line great, if not I’ll take the pick. Although I’d like us to be in the middle band for next years draw. All the big box clubs are there and they’re the best games for us the supporters and for the club wanting prime time slots. We’re going to enjoy winning the flag next year.

it's very difficult to get the balance right between fair and open processes and avoiding having nuffies trying to get on the board.

I’m pragmatic and understand the value of a higher draft pick but a win is more important this time around in building belief for this group and giving them a sense of unity before they head into their next pre-season

When Maynard had a go at Kozzie after the Moore free kick, one other player went over. One. That should have been a [censored] melee. Having that [censored] have a go at Koz after what he'd done. And we did nothing. Soft club full of too nice players.

Didn’t think I'd ever agree with you but you are correct. It would never have come to this if the Club was more open instead of hiding behind technicalities. Its gone from being an old boys network to an old boys & girls network. More power to Peter.

You want to put a brick through someone who wants to end poor governance and an elitest closed shop in your football club, because they send you an email? Peter is a passionate Melbourne supporter that wanted better from Melbourne and that included greater checks and balances at board and governance level. Meanwhile, Kate became a Melbourne supporter 10 something years ago. I'm not sure people really understand what's going on here.