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Compensation for the loss of Angus

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1 hour ago, Gawndy the Great said:

i would guess that the management of this situation had a lot of involvement from club and AFL HQ. 

His medical team advised him to stop playing on the basis of the most recent scans. The AFL in no way sat idle in the background and not have their say. Had Gus elected to ignore the advice, i believe the AFL would have stepped in and revoked his playing license. 

I think there would have been a lot of compromises made on both sides but ultimately:

1. Gus would take full payment of contract (likely by club and AFL) and guaranteed coverage of all medical expenses and some other bells and whistles. 

2. Club would be exempt from TPP implications as a result of the immediate payout.

3. AFL would have asked for some legal assurances of no legal action from Gus now or in future as a result of the QF incident. 

But how would the AFL have Brayshaw's medical advice? Surely that's personal health information which wouldn't be shared with the AFL unless Brayshaw explicitly gave permission for it to be provided.

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    1 hour ago, Gawndy the Great said:

    i would guess that the management of this situation had a lot of involvement from club and AFL HQ. 

    His medical team advised him to stop playing on the basis of the most recent scans. The AFL in no way sat idle in the background and not have their say. Had Gus elected to ignore the advice, i believe the AFL would have stepped in and revoked his playing license. 

    I think there would have been a lot of compromises made on both sides but ultimately:

    1. Gus would take full payment of contract (likely by club and AFL) and guaranteed coverage of all medical expenses and some other bells and whistles. 

    2. Club would be exempt from TPP implications as a result of the immediate payout.

    3. AFL would have asked for some legal assurances of no legal action from Gus now or in future as a result of the QF incident. 

    Gus is contractually owed his player contract payments.  He would be ill-advised to sign any 'no future legal action' taled by the AFL.  These two issues are unrelated and payout is not predicated on him signing anything I suspect.

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    Wouldn't this become like a workers compensation claim, he was injured whilst at work, all players in AFL would be insured.  

    No club should oppose to any money for a forced retirement should fall outside the cap.

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    If everything I am reading on here and between the lines,it seems like mfc is being shafted again by the AFL.Their seemingly lack of concern for Guses situation is being talked about in dollar terms who pays etc hes a person for god sake .I hate the afl so much .Could rant on but now to tired

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    23 hours ago, Superunknown said:

    Sorry what? Why is it unworthy? He has form and was he not on the record about going out to do some damage?

    in any case, that’s hardly a slur, especially relative to some of the other disconnected-from-reality comments and behaviour from their fans. Speaking of deplorables…..

     

    *ducks for cover*

    Mate if he played for Melbourne we would be saying something altogether different such as his regret for the accident, how he's devastated at what he has caused and that he accepts his aggression has to tempered in the future.

    In reality he may be genuinely remorseful..you don't know and  neither do I  .

    Put a sock in it and go for the AFL and their two faced self serving  response to most everthing.

    Maynard should have got 3 weeks minimum ( however they work it out) and the rules clarified.

    I imagine MFC will get very little joy from the system and trust that Gus will be around the Club in some shape or form while he moves on with his new career. 

    Ongoing best medical oversight is the least the AFL should provide

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    1 hour ago, Gawndy the Great said:

    3. AFL would have asked for some legal assurances of no legal action from Gus now or in future as a result of the QF incident. 

    Generally speaking, waivers relating to injury aren't typically enforceable (acknowledging a voluntary assumption of risk, the nature of the activity, unforeseen circumstances and the standard of negligence). The AFL may have requested a waiver, but that wouldn't necessarily stop or prevent a claim for compensation being successful. 

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    1 hour ago, sue said:

    But that's all, as you say, your 'guess'.   i have heard in ABC radio them say he has been forced to retire by the AFL.  And a couple of posters here have said that too, but I cannot find any statement from the AFL saying that and Gus said it was his decision. Anyone....?

    https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/1493891/a-letter-from-gus-to-the-demon-faithful

    I think Gus's own summary points to the medical team he appointed providing a diagnosis that he wasn't fit to continue playing. It certainly doesn't read that the AFL "forced" him to retire; more that he's sadly accepted professional medical advice.

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    It’s a non issue.

    There would be standard injury retirement clauses in the contract.

    MFC provide private health insurance for its players, covering lost wages.

    There are also entitlements under the workers Compensation Act for injuries in the workplace.

    A similar injury happened to Belly, who was compensated.

     

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    22 hours ago, durango said:

    If he had retired at the end of last season then I think the MFC would have retained Harmes.

    Or Jordan

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    22 hours ago, durango said:

    If he had retired at the end of last season then I think the MFC would have retained Harmes.

    Or gone harder to get pick 1 from WCE to get Reid, this kid will be a star

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    12 hours ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

    Can Maynard write?  

    Brayden "I went to make a footy act" Maynard, can barely talk

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    52 minutes ago, IRW said:

    Mate if he played for Melbourne we would be saying something altogether different such as his regret for the accident, how he's devastated at what he has caused and that he accepts his aggression has to tempered in the future.

    In reality he may be genuinely remorseful..you don't know and  neither do I  .

    Put a sock in it and go for the AFL and their two faced self serving  response to most everthing.

    Maynard should have got 3 weeks minimum ( however they work it out) and the rules clarified.

    I imagine MFC will get very little joy from the system and trust that Gus will be around the Club in some shape or form while he moves on with his new career. 

    Ongoing best medical oversight is the least the AFL should provide

    If he played for Melbourne I would be disgusted with him, don't judge everyone on here by your own standards.

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    3 hours ago, sue said:

    Is that true?  All I've seen is Angus saying it was his decision.

    He was medically retired by the AFL as I understand it.

    I stand to be corrected if that is wrong, but I think Gus was saying he didn’t want to retire.

    Ralph just wrote that the league medically retired Brayshaw and that will impact on who pays his contract.

    Edited by Redleg

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    23 hours ago, Dee Viney Intervention said:

    Now unfortunately a few weeks away from round zero (ohh FFS) we essentially have two unused spots on our list

    And 600 injured

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    8 hours ago, BigBadBustling said:

    Our compensation should be that we can sign Uncle Byron. Plays round 13 plus a 10 week suspension gets him through to round 24.

    If you know what I mean.....

    I see what you're saying but I reckon we give Rod Grinter the job

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    1 hour ago, IRW said:

    Mate if he played for Melbourne we would be saying something altogether different such as his regret for the accident, how he's devastated at what he has caused and that he accepts his aggression has to tempered in the future.

    In reality he may be genuinely remorseful..you don't know and  neither do I  .

    Put a sock in it and go for the AFL and their two faced self serving  response to most everthing.

    Maynard should have got 3 weeks minimum ( however they work it out) and the rules clarified.

    I imagine MFC will get very little joy from the system and trust that Gus will be around the Club in some shape or form while he moves on with his new career. 

    Ongoing best medical oversight is the least the AFL should provide

    Maynard would be close to a criminal assault charge in my view

    The AFLAre a gutless corrupt organisation

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    8 hours ago, sue said:

    I wasn't referring to him (I have never forgiven his pro-Essendon position in the 'enhancement' program). But his co-presenter said it 3 times, so I guess she got it from him.

    I agree re the Essendon thing, he still throws it into his segment, given half the chance 

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    8 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    But how would the AFL have Brayshaw's medical advice? Surely that's personal health information which wouldn't be shared with the AFL unless Brayshaw explicitly gave permission for it to be provided.

    I have no idea how this would work, but as employee of the AFL, i would presume some sort of work safe / insurance claim would be lodged. 

    I would also think his lengthy contract would have had a few clauses in their around medically forced retirement. Presumably it’s a standard clause in all contracts.

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    9 hours ago, Ugottobekidding said:

    Wonder if Taj will fill his role

    Agree.

    Incidentally, I don't recall seeing him in the Richmond scratch match in either game.  Is he injured at the moment or did I just miss him.

    Reckon he's got star quality and character written all over him - both things that Gus played with from day dot. 

    Edited by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

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    14 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

    Agree.

    Incidentally, I don't recall seeing him in the Richmond scratch match in either game.  Is he injured at the moment or did I just miss him.

    Reckon he's got star quality and character written all over him - both things that Gus played with from day dot. 

    Taj was out with concussion.

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    It’s been a bit of a blur, but I believe I heard it was an independent medical team made this decision, not the AFL.

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