Jump to content

  • IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING

    Demonland has made the difficult decision to not permit this platform to be used to discuss & debate the off-field issues relating to the Melbourne Football Club including matters currently being litigated between the Club & former Board members, board elections, the culture at the club & the personal issues & allegations against some of our players & officials ...

    We do not take these issues & this decision lightly & of course we believe that these serious matters affecting the club we love & are so passionate about are worthy of discussion & debate & I wish we could provide a place where these matters can be discussed in a civil & respectful manner.

    However these discussions unfortunately invariably devolve into areas that may be defamatory, libelous, spread unsubstantiated rumours & can effect the mental health of those involved. Even discussion & debate of known facts or media reports can lead to finger pointing, blame & personal attacks.

    The repercussion is that these discussions can open this website, it’s owners & it’s users to legal action & may result in this website being forced to shutdown.

    Our moderating team are all volunteers & cannot moderate the forum 24/7 & as a consequence problematic content that contravenes our rules & standards may go unnoticed for some time before it can be removed.

    We reserve the right to delete posts that offend against our above policy & indeed, to ban posters who are repeat offenders or who breach our code of conduct.

    WE HAVE BUILT A FANTASTIC ONLINE COMMUNITY AT DEMONLAND OVER THE PAST 23 YEARS & WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THE CLUB WE LOVE & ARE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT.

    Thank you for your continued support & understanding. Go Dees.


Do the Demons need to do a new football department review?


Supreme_Demon

Recommended Posts

I understand we did a football department review at the end of 2020. Or was it 2019? I can't remember exactly.🤔

Nevertheless, I thought that the MFC CEO Gary Pert did an excellent job with that review at the time.

My question is, do we need to do another football department review?

In some ways, it is also quite healthy to do a review every few years.

We definitely need to give the Demons senior coach Simon Goodwin more help and perhaps employ more development coaches. Especially if our football department budget is expanded to the Pre COVID-19 amount. We may or may not need a few new assistant coaches. Especially if we lose Adem Yze to the Richmond senior coach role. A specialist goal kicking coach may also come in handy? I think Mark "Choco" Williams has been brilliant at the Demons. However, we should aim to get more specialist coaches to assist our players.

Improving our forwardline connection and our goal kicking accuracy is crucial. However, our overall kicking efficiency around the ground needs to be greatly improved too.

I think an internal review is satisfactory. But should it be an external review this time?

Anyway, I am keen to hear the opinions of other Melbourne supporters about the suggestion of having a new football department review?

Edited by Supreme_Demon
  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

If a review is a systematic evaluation of what is working and what is deficient, with input from all sources and 'ranks', then, yeah. Ideally that should be a near-continuous process but it is difficult to maintain under sustained operational pressure.

It is certainly something which should always be given a solid chunk of resources.

Consultation and continuous reform is something that has to be kept ahead of the need. If your efforts to invite and seek out opinions get too far behind the pace of people forming opinions, they're going to feel a need to start expressing them in less constructive ways.

  • Like 5
  • Love 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I would be hoping that we are doing rolling reviews of many aspects as a matter of course.

Constant benchmarking against both internal and external KPI's.

They've just announced the new CBA which I hope contains changes to the soft cap. Frankly the soft cap has probably outlived its usefulness. It's holding the game back. If teams like North can't afford the spend that is their problem

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yes.  Internal review. 

Concentrating on improvement of the FD and not on recrimination.

Like if the FD had 'this' or 'this' would it have improved the performance.

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

An external review is dangerous and could split the unity of the club, agree with Jontee an internal continuous improvement review is the preferred option that way you can involve all the stakeholders and lessens the chance of damaging internal relationships.!!

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites


I would be surprised if a professional sports organisation doesn't review after every season,

Yes we should be reviewing every aspect of the club, that doesn't mean it has to be public knowledge though.. 

The supporters will see the results of the review out on the field every week.

  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1
  • Clap 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

42 minutes ago, BaliDemon said:

Replace Stafford with someone like Blake Caracella and we’re good to go I reckon. 

We need a footy mind that truly understands forward craft.

Yze looks to be gone aswell so two new assistances are required.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yes it needs to be fully examined thoroughly my concerns are that the assistant coaches need to be refreshed replaced with more recent retired players like Cotchin Selwood Davis that can convince Goodwin his style method and Game plans just dont work and he be more flexible also no Favourites

  • Like 1
  • Facepalm 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yes urgently.

My view is that the psychology of the group has been impacted, and that has come from the top down.

There was a stoicism in 2021 that we seem to have lost.

We will not win the 2023 flag, not because we are not the best side, not because we don't have the best plan.  We lost it between the ears.

We have a once in a generation midfield, we should have more than one flag to show for it.

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Newsflash, they do an internal review every single year. 

Or do you think they've packed their bags and gone off to Bali?

So little credit being given to a club that has finished top 4 for three years running, and won a flag just two years ago.

  • Like 6
  • Thanks 1
  • Clap 1
  • Thinking 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Stretch Johnson said:

Yes urgently.

My view is that the psychology of the group has been impacted, and that has come from the top down.

There was a stoicism in 2021 that we seem to have lost.

We will not win the 2023 flag, not because we are not the best side, not because we don't have the best plan.  We lost it between the ears.

We have a once in a generation midfield, we should have more than one flag to show for it.

I agree when it comes to psychology. Winning a flag can do a lot for it and your belief goes into another stratosphere. I look at the Geelong side of the 00s, RIchmond in the 10s as teams that were perenial losers to becoming consistent units after they broke through, for the last two seasons I believe we also had that effect. 

There can be the adverse affect as well though, two failed seasons and no win on the G in finals since 2018. Things like this have the potential to flatten the mindset and spiral, why would you continue to keep working as hard if it could all just fall apart at the end? It's a slippery slope and needs to be handled with care to get the mind in best shape as possible. AFL footballers do plenty of conditioning physically, they also need to do it mentally. 

  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1
  • Clap 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites


7 minutes ago, layzie said:

I agree when it comes to psychology. Winning a flag can do a lot for it and your belief goes into another stratosphere. I look at the Geelong side of the 00s, RIchmond in the 10s as teams that were perenial losers to becoming consistent units after they broke through, for the last two seasons I believe we also had that effect. 

There can be the adverse affect as well though, two failed seasons and no win on the G in finals since 2018. Things like this have the potential to flatten the mindset and spiral, why would you continue to keep working as hard if it could all just fall apart at the end? It's a slippery slope and needs to be handled with care to get the mind in best shape as possible. AFL footballers do plenty of conditioning physically, they also need to do it mentally. 

Agreed!

Sports psychology needs to be a big focus.

I don't know who the Demons sports psychologist currently is?

Nevertheless, the Melbourne Demons definitely needs to consider investing more into this field.

For those who have some spare time later, I highly recommend this video (shown below) featuring well respected Sports Psychologist Bill Beswick. Who was a Sports Psychologist for Manchester United and other teams.

 

  • Thanks 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Newsflash, they do an internal review every single year. 

Or do you think they've packed their bags and gone off to Bali?

So little credit being given to a club that has finished top 4 for three years running, and won a flag just two years ago.

I don't understand your anger to a bunch of posters asking questions around why we have had double double sets losses in the last two set of finals. Also your Newsflash could be a little more caring around people who care just as much as you about the club and obviously while not being in the same stratosphere of intelligence as your good self, maybe try educating us all rather than intimating we are all a bunch of fools.

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

17 minutes ago, deespicable me said:

I don't understand your anger to a bunch of posters asking questions around why we have had double double sets losses in the last two set of finals. Also your Newsflash could be a little more caring around people who care just as much as you about the club and obviously while not being in the same stratosphere of intelligence as your good self, maybe try educating us all rather than intimating we are all a bunch of fools.

This is the 10th thread on the main board basically questioning the same thing over and over again. 
The assumption that we don’t review things is wrong. Simple as that. We review everything all the time. Every football club does. 
 

  • Like 2
  • Vomit 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, deespicable me said:

I don't understand your anger to a bunch of posters asking questions around why we have had double double sets losses in the last two set of finals. Also your Newsflash could be a little more caring around people who care just as much as you about the club and obviously while not being in the same stratosphere of intelligence as your good self, maybe try educating us all rather than intimating we are all a bunch of fools.

If Jaded is positive on a thread like this you just need to chalk it up as a W.

That goes for me too by the way.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    PREGAME: Practice Match vs Carlton

    The Dees will play their final practice match before the start of the 2024 seasons against the Blues at Ikon Park. What are you wanting to see in this final hit out before the season proper? Will Clarry & Salo return to the side? 2024 AAMI Community Series | Carlton v Melbourne Date: Wednesday 28 February Time: 6:40pm (AEDT) Location: IKON Park | Wurundjeri

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 45

    POSTGAME: Match SIM vs Richmond

    The Dees were outclassed and outmuscled in its first practice hit out for the 2024 season against the Tigers going down by 23 points at Casey Fields. 

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 285

    GAMEDAY: Match SIM vs Richmond

    It's Game Day and it's been 156 days since the Demons were bundled out of the finals in straight sets for the 2nd year in a row. Our redemption starts here. Remember it's only a practice match if we lose. Date: Sunday 18th Feb Location: Casey Fields Gate open: 9.30am Match commences: 10am Watch: Foxtel & Kayo Inclusions: Seven-quarter match simulation Signing opportunities Kids' activities Partner giveaways Demons Squad: 1. Steven May 2. Jacob Van Rooyen

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 402

    TRAINING: Saturday 17th February 2024

    On the eve of the Dees first practice match for the 2024 season a couple of Demonland Trackwatchers bring you their observations from today’s Captain’s Run at Gosch’s Paddock.  KEV MARTIN’S CAPTAIN’S RUN OBSERVATIONS Looks a a dress rehearsal Captain's run. 23 out doing drills.  Included is Will Verall, Kynan Brown, Bailey Laurie, Caleb Windsor, Blake Howes, Adam Tomlinson, Kade Chandler, Jack Billings and Josh Schache. Rehab include BBB, Tom Fullarton, TMac, AMW, Woey.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    PREGAME: Match SIM vs Richmond

    The Demons will take to the field in their first hit out for 2024 against another team when they take on the Tigers at Casey Fields in a Scratch Match consisting of 7 "quarters". Melbourne vs Richmond Date: Sunday 18th Feb Location: Casey Fields Gate open: 9.30am Match commences: 10am Watch: Foxtel & Kayo Inclusions: Seven-quarter match simulation Signing opportunities Kids' activities Partner giveaways What are your expectations? What do you want to see from

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 130

    TRAINING: Monday 12th February 2024

    Clayton Oliver was integrated back into the main training group today for the first time in 2024 after completing a 2km time trial. FriendlyFellow, a new Demonland Trackwatcher hit Gosch's Paddock on a hot and windy morning to bring you his observations of the session. Disclaimer: Saw on the socials they were down at Gosch’s Paddock so headed down for a quick look. Little to no presence of other track watchers and no current live thread, so as a first time contributor, giving what the peopl

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports 6

    TRAINING: Wednesday 7th February 2024

    A bunch of Demonland Trackwatchers enjoyed the sunshine at Gosch's Paddock to watch a rapidly depleted Dees go through their paces with exactly a month to go until a ball is bounced in anger. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS REHAB: Brown, Hunter, AMW, Fullarton, Turner, Clarry, TMac, Melksham, McAdam ABSENT: Smith All players in Blue guernseys today. Clarry is in the building (Gosch’s Paddock). Petty is present with footy boots on.  Clarry doing dril

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports 1

    THAT WAS THE YEAR THAT WAS: 2023

    When the dust settled on 2023, the Melbourne Football Club coach Simon Goodwin lamented that the club knew it needed to score more to land a second premiership in the current era. He opined that an average of one more goal per game would have had his charges in football’s stratosphere.  Goodwin was right and, based on his team’s scoring opportunities, that extra goal (and more) was well within its grasp if only they had better converted their shots at goal. Take the side’s last six defeats

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features 7

    TRAINING: Friday 2nd February 2024

    Veteran Demonland Trackwatcher Picket Fence made his way down to Casey Fields on Friday to bring you his observations from Preseason Training and the Match SIM. PICKET FENCE'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS NO SHOWS & REHAB  Petty, Melks, Hunter, Fullarton, Jefferson. Not sure I saw Salem Clarry and Verrell both doing a POWER OF RUNNING and [censored] does CLARRY look mean, fit and PUMPED MATCH SIMULATION NOTES Full match simulation of 4 quarters of which I saw

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!
×
×
  • Create New...