Trade Rumours 2023

[Diamond_Jim 12,652]

1 hour ago, MadAsHell said:

This has already been floated weeks before and it keeps coming back to Collingwood have a deal with Grundy, not Melbourne.

Still a few days out from the Grand Final and journo's are running out of stories.

There's smoke... there's uncertainty... there's fire

How large is the question

[dazzledavey36 55,498]

55 minutes ago, dee-tox said:

Not sure if mentioned, but apparently we're into Aaron Cadman!

Contracted to the end of 2024 if that means anything.

Source?

[Turner 1,516]

1 hour ago, BW511 said:

Nice to see an actual rumour.

Anyone follow WCE enough to know what we are looking at?

either would be a genuine backup, casey unless gawn went down, even then when they had 27 fit players jamieson wasn't an emergency, so does he have scope to improve? BJ Williams is at least young enough where he could do a preuss and move on again in 2-3 years but honestly when you're as talented as he is and you're a sides no.1 ruck why would you leave, even if flynn comes in he's garaunteed a game at wce next year 

[DeeSpencer 26,099]

25 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

Oliver? 3 firsts? What the heck ? - If True, A trade might be more of a mutual interest in that GWS might rate a few midfielders in the top 5 more than Cadman, are happy with Hogans form and would do it for pick 5 and 2nd or Future 1st at worst. So it's really Sanders vs Cadman. Is my guess anyway.

The Giants gave up 3, 12 and a future 2nd to get him.

There’s nothing to say he’s lost any value. VFL form was strong. 

Hogan had a good year. But Ricciardi didn’t get near it against the Pies and Lachie Keeffe is Lachie Keeffe. 

They have Richmond’s first rounder and some untested young talent, they aren’t swapping Cadman out for a midfielder.

It would take either a Tom Boyd situation or something else unexpected.

[DeeSpencer 26,099]

9 minutes ago, Turner said:

either would be a genuine backup, casey unless gawn went down, even then when they had 27 fit players jamieson wasn't an emergency, so does he have scope to improve? BJ Williams is at least young enough where he could do a preuss and move on again in 2-3 years but honestly when you're as talented as he is and you're a sides no.1 ruck why would you leave, even if flynn comes in he's garaunteed a game at wce next year 

Williams wouldn't have to move again, as sad as it is to think about Max will be done in 2-3 years. We could also guarantee Williams at a minimum the same opportunity Grundy got playing 2 rucks and if he's able to contribute forward he would have a strong case to stay in the side.

I'd still be shocked because he just finished 6th in the B+F and was a rare good news story for them. But at the same time they're seemingly bringing Flynn in and they used pick #23 on Harry Barnett last year. They don't need 4 rucks on a rebuilding list.

They could move Jamieson on for nothing and free up a list space and maybe a few dollars. Or they can trade Bailey Williams at possibly the most trade value he's ever going to have and use a nice pick to bring in a good talent in one of the many more important positions they need than ruck depth.

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7 hours ago, Redleg said:

In less.

Would complete our forward line, with Jefferson developing at Casey.

He's 24 years old, Just about to enter his peak, would improve out of sight at the Dees.

Naughton is the only logical choice in the right circumstances, 1 year remaining on his contract, Bulldogs are going through change, they need the picks and he doesn't seem to be on the same page as Bevo.

Ripe for the picking brains trust.

Edited September 27, 2023 by YesitwasaWin4theAges

[dee-tox 4,835]

40 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Source?

Not going to give them away on a fan forum! However, my brother knows a few people at Hemisphere Management...

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,725]

1 hour ago, Mach5 said:

Without knowing the inner workingS my expectation would be that when a player changes clubs in this way, the contract agreement would be novated to the “new club”, and a “new contract” created between the “old club” and the player for the balance. Collingwood must be of the belief that the terms of the “additional contract” for the balance must include reference to the “new contract” with the “new club”, and if that agreement is to be terminated (by being novated again to a 3rd club) then the additional contract would also be terminated (or would maybe require their acceptance for a 3rd club to be included). Regardless, it appears that their strategising on this is being done by someone with a poorer understanding of contract law than even I have.

Melbourne had signed Grundy on the premise that $550-600k of his Salary would be paid over the next 5 years.

The Collingwood component of his contract would have stipilulated that $350k would be paid over a 5 year duration where ever that may be Club A or Club B.

This happens in the NBA and NFL yearly so whichever club that signs the initial deal (Collingwood) is liable to whatever percentage/figure is agree upon on the life of the contract.

Which will be 4 years at $350k starting when ever he signs during trade period.

MFC lawyers would be all over this.

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16 minutes ago, dee-tox said:

Not going to give them away on a fan forum! However, my brother knows a few people at Hemisphere Management...

Might not want to drop the Management Company's name @dee-tox

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1 hour ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

He's 24 years old, Just about to enter his peak, would improve out of sight at the Dees.

Naughton is the only logical choice in the right circumstances, 1 year remaining on his contract, Bulldogs are going through change, they need the picks and he doesn't seem to be on the same page as Bevo.

Ripe for the picking brains trust.

Agree with this wholeheartedly. 

Naughton is too good to say no too purely because of his set-shot kicking. 

It's just as much about the opportunities he'd create in the air. And in the air, there is nobody better. He marks it when he shouldn't, he creates carnage when he shouldn't and he is rarely if ever out-marked. 

Of all key forwards that we could pick, he'd suit us best. Another Ben Brown lead up target who relies on clean ball is not going to change us. Unless we drastically change our list. 

Naughton would be huge but are these just rumours or is there something here? 

[biggestred 5,195]

Naughton has kicked 191.141  over his 6 afl seasons. That's not that bad!

[Gorgoroth 13,146]

It’s laughable people saying no to Naughton. 
With our dump kicking he will mark some, creates spillage on others but he at least wins contests in the air. Outside of petty for two games we had pretty much no one doing it consistently.

[dazzledavey36 55,498]

6 hours ago, dee-tox said:

Not going to give them away on a fan forum! However, my brother knows a few people at Hemisphere Management...

I like it. It's bold purely because still contract but I'm also led to believe that he's not willing to extend contract any further at this stage. 

[BW511 2,705]

I like the idea of recruiting Naughton to play a shared swingman role with Petty. Both aerial threats and could go either end depending on matchups. Wouldn’t mind Naughton being a bit more of an attacking tall back ala Darcy Moore. 

I have a dogs supporting mate who constantly bemoans the fact they don’t at least try Naughton at CHB considering there deficiencies at that end.

 

Edited September 27, 2023 by BW511

[Kent 2,916]

17 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

What drugs are they smoking if they think we'd consider trading Petty or Sparrow for an average mature age player that doesn't even want to be on their list?

Unless they are trowing in a first round draft pick, but I honestly don't even think that goes close in the case of Petty.

Surely this is a joke and the jurno that wrote it is desperate for something to print.

I really am not bothered whether we get McAdam or not Maybe we should tell Adelaide exactly that

[Colm 2,188]

Cadman is very interesting. Giving GWS traded up to get him. I think from memory he was rated at 4th in the draft but they were very keen in getting a forward and were stacked with picks. 
He is still a number one pick from last year and would cost us an arm and a leg.
Given we have picked key forwards with our first rounders for the last couple of years it’s a big investment in a lot of young talent in one area. 

[jumbo returns 6,741]

Is Petty's foot ever going to heal?

Not a conspiracy theory, but doesn't his injury type need a very long rehab?

[Dee tention 617]

Bailey Williams should be a Priority for the Dees.

23yr and can play Ruck and Forward. Has his best football in front of him.

Williams, McAdam would be a great start. Fergus Greene or similar would be a good get to push for a Forward position.

I’m  disappointed to see Harmes go. I believe he is in our best 22 when playing his correct role. That is Defensive Mid who can win his own ball. I am of the opinion he is the type of player we need. 
I can see Yze taking him to the Tigers…

[Roost it far 8,947]

32 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

Is Petty's foot ever going to heal?

Not a conspiracy theory, but doesn't his injury type need a very long rehab?

Minimum 3 months, maximum, not usually more than 6.

[djr 1,605]

Just now, Roost it far said:

Minimum 3 months, maximum, not usually more than 6.

The key here is to get a preseason into him. If he is not on the training track by Christmas then I believe he will struggle next year. He did it on Aug 6 so it's been only 2 months.  

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,939]

24 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Minimum 3 months, maximum, not usually more than 6.

The only caveat to my celebratory mood regarding this is that Petty seems to have something of a history with doing this kind of ankle/lower leg injuries. 

Hopefully it's just bad luck, but could also be some kind of predisposition due to either his physique or the way he naturally moves and changes direction.

If he can keep his body right, he's certainly turned into the type of key position player the MFC can build it's team around for the next 5+ years, either as a forward or a back.

Edited September 27, 2023 by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

[BDA 22,969]

Pettys injury profile is not good. Relying on him to be our KPF is a risk.

[BDA 22,969]

Cadman I’m unsure about. He won’t come cheap and has yet to show if he will realise his potential?

[binman 44,271]

11 minutes ago, BDA said:

Cadman I’m unsure about. He won’t come cheap and has yet to show if he will realise his potential?

On the espn footy podcast the champion data guy was talking about cadmans numbers around early august and saying they were woeful accross the board.

Compared him unfavourably to jvr, noting he is a year behind (was in the context of praising dees for how we managed jvr).

The worst player ratings to predicted average of any top 3 draft picks or some such. 

[MadAsHell 4,217]

11 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

There's smoke... there's uncertainty... there's fire

How large is the question

Like a fart in the wind.