On 08/09/2022 at 00:37, deelusions from afar said:

If Jackson is leaving, I'd much rather take a punt on him and use the picks / cap space to attract the best key forward we can.  And if we can't get one, at least bring in some talented youngsters - ideally a young key forward and maybe some outside class for the midfield.

Yes that’s the strategy if LJ walks back west 

  On 08/09/2022 at 00:37, Damo said:

We found with Preuss it just isnt worth chasing a ruck that is not close to best 22 when all are available. If we are going to get a 24 year old ruck he must be a positive in conjunction with Max, not just as a stand by.

True but they're hard to find

Get him as a break glass in case Max goes down but I'd prefer to see us push Weid into this position or just play one ruck with back up from JVR etc

  On 07/09/2022 at 23:07, Jontee said:

Age 24, from out Ballarat way, 203cm and 109 kgs. Pick 69 in the 2017 draft.  Hasn't set the house on fire.

But has he had the chance to track his zenith yet?   Could Max mentor him and turn him into a star?

Any observations about his forward craft, if any?

IMVHO it would be far more value fir money (and draft) to go for Meek and a potential tall forward than Grundy. 

If he’s coming to us, please change his surname to Strong. Or maybe Lloyd Freak.

  On 13/09/2022 at 11:04, Elwood 3184 said:

If he’s coming to us, please change his surname to Strong. Or maybe Lloyd Freak.

How about Lloyd Braun.

If we win the flag next year, it'll feel like Christmas again.

He's Meek but could stand to be meeker. 

Jeez you lot are good at meeking stuff up

  On 07/09/2022 at 23:41, deelusions from afar said:

Pretty sure he debuted against us Round 1 last year and surprisingly gave Gawn a bit of trouble.

From that and the WAFL highlights (I know) someone posted on here a few months back I think he could be a bit of a diamond in the rough.  People seem to forget that you can only play max two ruckmen and so if there is more than that on a list then some won't get a chance to prove themselves.

There was a period there where we had Jamar and the backup was a topup between Spencer, Martin and Gawn.  Gawn was not really a standout until that game against Geelong. 

With the success our ruckmen have had at other clubs, we should know this better than most.

Max;  12 disposals   30 H/outs     92% TOG

Meek:  6 Disposlas,  6 H/outs   93% TOG

Darcy came in for Round 2 and by Round 4 had become no.1 ruck, then with Lobb pinch hitting,  and Meek hardly ever back in team. By Round 7 Darcy well and Truly owned the role.

  On 15/09/2022 at 02:05, Demon17 said:

Max;  12 disposals   30 H/outs     92% TOG

Meek:  6 Disposlas,  6 H/outs   93% TOG

Darcy came in for Round 2 and by Round 4 had become no.1 ruck, then with Lobb pinch hitting,  and Meek hardly ever back in team. By Round 7 Darcy well and Truly owned the role.

C'mon mate - it was (I think) his first AFL game.  We wasn't coming in to dominate against the best ruck in the game, he was coming in to compete.  And by Gawn's own admission, Gawn didn't have the greatest of days.

 

  On 15/09/2022 at 02:18, deelusions from afar said:

C'mon mate - it was (I think) his first AFL game.  We wasn't coming in to dominate against the best ruck in the game, he was coming in to compete.  And by Gawn's own admission, Gawn didn't have the greatest of days.

 

C'mon mate too - I just laid out the stats for interest. And the trajectory of his last 2 years. I'm not commenting on his ability or potential.

personally I think he's worth getting coz we don't have a second ruck and he is at least built like one, he won't have jackson's potential, but he could lengthen Max's career without selling the farm for a banged up 29 year old Grundy which i fear we may do.

  On 15/09/2022 at 23:05, Demon17 said:

C'mon mate too - I just laid out the stats for interest. And the trajectory of his last 2 years. I'm not commenting on his ability or potential.

personally I think he's worth getting coz we don't have a second ruck and he is at least built like one, he won't have jackson's potential, but he could lengthen Max's career without selling the farm for a banged up 29 year old Grundy which i fear we may do.

No worries - sounds like we're on the same page then

 

We've shown interest, so he could be steak knives in the Jackson trade. Would be a better option than Grundy IMO, as he's younger and would be much much cheaper. Provides backup ruck for Gawn and the big Grundy money could be spent more important list needs such as a key forward, classy forward flanker or small lockdown defender.

Has looked good in the ruck, haven't paid much attention to his work around the ground.  Better long term option if he fits the bill.

  On 16/09/2022 at 07:23, darkhorse72 said:

Has looked good in the ruck, haven't paid much attention to his work around the ground.  Better long term option if he fits the bill.

But we aren't looking for a long term option, whoever we get needs to be able to play round 1 to 22 injury aside and contribute ... our premiership window is now 

Edited September 16, 20222 yr by Demons1858

I reckon we might take him and Grundy. Remember we’ll lose Jackson, Daw, and Mitch Brown. Not sure if Weed will look at options. We need someone to help at Casey, and a break in case of emergency option. 

But if we take him I would strongly suspect we aren’t showing any interest just yet. I think the club has its site on quality picks from Freo, and doesn’t want this muddying the waters just yet.

  On 16/09/2022 at 06:37, Lord Travis said:

We've shown interest, so he could be steak knives in the Jackson trade. Would be a better option than Grundy IMO, as he's younger and would be much much cheaper. Provides backup ruck for Gawn and the big Grundy money could be spent more important list needs such as a key forward, classy forward flanker or small lockdown defender.

How can he possibly be a better option than Grundy? Grundy is a multiple all Australian and best and fairest winner and Meek is a WAFL player. 

  On 16/09/2022 at 09:02, Demons11 said:

How can he possibly be a better option than Grundy? Grundy is a multiple all Australian and best and fairest winner and Meek is a WAFL player. 

There's a difference between being a better player and a better option. There are more reasons for Meek being the better option than there are for Grundy.

  On 16/09/2022 at 09:14, mo64 said:

There's a difference between being a better player and a better option. There are more reasons for Meek being the better option than there are for Grundy.

Grundy is both a better player and a better option

Perhaps a chance to acquire him and Grundy? We need more than two ruckman on the list and would be nice to have one that's developed and ready to go in case of an injury to either Gawn or Grundy. Better than an 18yr old draftee that needs 4-5 years and wouldn't be able to physically compete. However I can't see him going for it as I presume he wants more senior time. Perhaps we should be scouring lists for a ruck that's 21/22 that might want to serve as an understudy to Gawn and Grundy. TDK anyone?

  On 16/09/2022 at 09:39, Nascent said:

Perhaps a chance to acquire him and Grundy? We need more than two ruckman on the list and would be nice to have one that's developed and ready to go in case of an injury to either Gawn or Grundy. Better than an 18yr old draftee that needs 4-5 years and wouldn't be able to physically compete. However I can't see him going for it as I presume he wants more senior time. Perhaps we should be scouring lists for a ruck that's 21/22 that might want to serve as an understudy to Gawn and Grundy. TDK anyone?

Maybe. Doesn't sound like a good career move for Meek to come to a club behind Gawn and Grundy. May as well stay at Freo behind Darcy and Jackson.  Surely he could find something more fruitful.

Edited September 16, 20222 yr by old55

meek is a big bloke and can mark may make another tall option forward if he can kick,

  On 16/09/2022 at 09:02, Demons11 said:

How can he possibly be a better option than Grundy? Grundy is a multiple all Australian and best and fairest winner and Meek is a WAFL player. 

I hear your concerns on Meek  but Grundy WAS a multiple AA and WAS a B and F.  His contract has too many years left on it.

Big risk I can't see Pert signing off on unless contarct terms are rock solid our way risk-wise.

  On 16/09/2022 at 22:49, Demon17 said:

I hear your concerns on Meek  but Grundy WAS a multiple AA and WAS a B and F.  His contract has too many years left on it.

Big risk I can't see Pert signing off on unless contarct terms are rock solid our way risk-wise.

Good rucks generally play into their mid 30's.   He has had a year to freshen up, it is not that huge a risk honestly.....particularly with Collingwood paying portion of his lofty contract.  

It is more about how Goodwin decides to use these potential weapons.