Interesting. 

And what about if everyone had 50/50 home and away games?

Different ladder from the one I saw earlier today. It was based on the first meeting of each team.

I'd love for the ladder to be each team's best performance against each other team for the year.

So if Melbourne beats Brisbane by 100-60 then a performance of 100-59 in the return game would mean the Demons percentage would be taken from the 100-59 result and the 100-60 result would be the the Lions' percentage. Extend that to if the Lions beat Melbourne in game 2, then the Lions get the points and percentage from game 2, but Melbourne gets the points and percentage from game 1.

It's probably open to manipulation though, as if you smack a side in the first game there's no incentive to try in the return game.

EDIT: Though it's probably always best to beat your opponent so they can't claim premiership points from either result. It would give the media a boatload to talk about in the return games as well. 

The biggest plus to the above is if you beat a cellar dweller twice, the most you can gain is 4 premiership points, just like a team who only plays them once.

Edited August 15, 20222 yr by Chook

There are plenty of inequalities that remain in our game, but the most unequal of them is all is the fixturing. Whilst i'd love a 36 round spectacle, we know its a pipe dream with the current length of games. 

The AFL wouldn't want to make the length of the season any shorter either, so i also think the 'play each other once' is also a pipe dream unless they change the finals format, which the purists would have a conniption over.

So if we were to stick to the 23 round fixture, each team should play each other once in rounds 1-17. The final 6 rounds are then determined by ladder position on the eve of Round 18. This will rule out any team that is in the Top 6, playing a bottom 6 team twice. But given the commercial influence on our game, this is also a pipe dream as we all want two showdowns, two Derbys, two what-ever-its-called in Qld and NSW. We make too many decisions to improve the size of EBA. It has to stop. 

Edited August 15, 20222 yr by CYB

We should only play each other once. Anything more is just for the money.  Completely nonsensical to play extra odd games otherwise.

If Tasmania comes in you get 18 rounds. Split three rounds (not rolling byes) and you have a 21 week season for TV purposes as well as giving players a rest.

Home and away changes each year.

You still get your blockbusters (or most of them) and we only have to go to Kardinia Park every second year

51 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

If Tasmania comes in you get 18 rounds. Split three rounds (not rolling byes) and you have a 21 week season for TV purposes as well as giving players a rest.

Home and away changes each year.

You still get your blockbusters (or most of them) and we only have to go to Kardinia Park every second year

As long as EVERYONE goes to Kardinia Park every second year DJ. 

What if we played everyone twice?

2 hours ago, CYB said:

There are plenty of inequalities that remain in our game, but the most unequal of them is all is the fixturing. Whilst i'd love a 36 round spectacle, we know its a pipe dream with the current length of games. 

The AFL wouldn't want to make the length of the season any shorter either, so i also think the 'play each other once' is also a pipe dream unless they change the finals format, which the purists would have a conniption over.

So if we were to stick to the 23 round fixture, each team should play each other once in rounds 1-17. The final 6 rounds are then determined by ladder position on the eve of Round 18. This will rule out any team that is in the Top 6, playing a bottom 6 team twice. But given the commercial influence on our game, this is also a pipe dream as we all want two showdowns, two Derbys, two what-ever-its-called in Qld and NSW. We make too many decisions to improve the size of EBA. It has to stop. 

Agree but if the season was shorter for 1 game against each team, then you could throw State of Origin back into the mix

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I don't get it When we play a team twice which result are we taking?

Can I have more ladders from magical fairy lands please? 

Ooh, one with us on top based on first quarters? 

Or perhaps one with which team has the most smiles during the game?! Oh I hope we are in contention in that one…

13 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Or perhaps one with which team has the most smiles during the game?! Oh I hope we are in contention in that one…

Not if Spargo has anything to say about it

3 hours ago, CYB said:

There are plenty of inequalities that remain in our game, but the most unequal of them is all is the fixturing. Whilst i'd love a 36 round spectacle, we know its a pipe dream with the current length of games. 

The AFL wouldn't want to make the length of the season any shorter either, so i also think the 'play each other once' is also a pipe dream unless they change the finals format, which the purists would have a conniption over.

So if we were to stick to the 23 round fixture, each team should play each other once in rounds 1-17. The final 6 rounds are then determined by ladder position on the eve of Round 18. This will rule out any team that is in the Top 6, playing a bottom 6 team twice. But given the commercial influence on our game, this is also a pipe dream as we all want two showdowns, two Derbys, two what-ever-its-called in Qld and NSW. We make too many decisions to improve the size of EBA. It has to stop. 

It's not just money that makes the 17 and then 6 model impossible.

Too much uncertainty (we know fans don't like it), too much risk of unfairness, potential to tank to get 6th instead of 5th or 13th instead of 12th to improve your run home.

1 minute ago, titan_uranus said:

It's not just money that makes the 17 and then 6 model impossible.

Too much uncertainty (we know fans don't like it), too much risk of unfairness, potential to tank to get 6th instead of 5th or 13th instead of 12th to improve your run home.

It’s better than the system we have now where the top seed plays 17 and 18 twice. But point taken - I’m sure there are ways around it like teams 7-12 can’t jump into the next bracket so the best they can hope for is the finals spot 7 and 8. 

We just have to bold enough to break away from the status quo.

it's regularly posited that one of the reasons the nfl is so successful is because of scarcity

they have 32 teams but only 17 games during an 18-week period with one "bye" week off

i would think there'd be far more value in every team playing each other once, either in a 9/8 then 8/9 split under current circumstances or alternatively an even 9 home / 9 away split if or when tasmania comes in

8 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

it's regularly posited that one of the reasons the nfl is so successful is because of scarcity

they have 32 teams but only 17 games during an 18-week period with one "bye" week off

i would think there'd be far more value in every team playing each other once, either in a 9/8 then 8/9 split under current circumstances or alternatively an even 9 home / 9 away split if or when tasmania comes in

100% - mid season of the AFL is a massive lull period and the season is too long especially for those teams out of contention early.

Tassie as the 19th team allows an 18 game + 1 bye model with a 9/9 H/A split alternating each year. Then you don't get rubbish like us only hosting Essendon every 8 years, Hawks only travelling to Brisbane every blue moon, Geelong hosting us every season etc

10 hours ago, rpfc said:

Can I have more ladders from magical fairy lands please? 

Ooh, one with us on top based on first quarters? 

Or perhaps one with which team has the most smiles during the game?! Oh I hope we are in contention in that one…

We should get a chart of the Telstra Tracker and marvel at ANB being near the top!

I think they should schedule the first 17 rounds at the start of the season and everyone plays each other once.

Then at around round 14/15 they can run their formulas based on top 6, middle 6 and bottom 6 to determine who plays who for the remaining 5 rounds.

So for example, if we were top 6 after round 15 then maybe we get two top 6 teams, two middle 6 and one bottom 6.

If there's a team in the bottom 6 then maybe they get 2 bottom 6, 2 middle 6 and 1 top 6.

It still won't be entirely fair as some team may get two bottom 6 sides, but you could manage it by giving certain difficulty weightings to positions and ensuring the total for each team is within a certain range.

Benefits would be:

- A much fairer draw ensuring a top 6 team doesn't play two bottom 4 sides twice

- Ensures more blockbusters in the lead up to finals

Remember when the 22 round fixture made perfect sense and you played everyone once before playing rematches of the first 7 games again? Why did this change to the random format? 

Hey folks,

I was having a play with this yesterday and decided not to post because if we lose this weekend we most likely finish 6th and this is redundant.

But i think there is some very good insight into how we've performed given our draw.

Here is my adjusted ladder for Rnd 22. When teams play each other twice this ladder takes the average points and percentage of those games, essentially creating a ladder which reflects playing everyone once.

For example we played Fremantle twice this year:
- Round 11 Melb 56, Freo 94
- Round 20 Freo 39, Melb 85

So this ladder would allocate: 
- Melb 2 points; 70.5 points for ((56+85)/2) and 66.5 against ((94+39)/2)
- Freo 2 points; 66.5 points for (94+39)/2) and 70.5 against ((56+85)/2)

A reminder of the double up games this season for each team:

And here is where we sit at Round 22:

So we are actually doing well given how our draw has fallen.

All teams play a double up game this week so if we win i can post a round 23 update :D

I never understood, after finishing top 4 last year, how Geelong got a mid table draw, made easier because they play on a beach towel sized ground surrounded by 30,000 of country Victoria’s least intelligent people.

The inequality with Jeelong’s pathetic fixture for 2022 is just absurd 

Why aern’t Footy Classified jumping up and down about it??

 

It's not as unbalanced as it might appear.

Of the five double-up games, both Melbourne and Geelong play Port Adelaide and Bulldogs so that's equal.

Based on ladder positions at the end of the 2021 H & A season, we play sides finishing 4th, 11th and 17th.

Geelong play sides finishing 9th, 10th and 18th.

Our draw is only marginally worse but, as the reigning Premiers, it's meant to be.

Geelong, of course, still get the massive boost of playing at Kardinia Park but that's not a function of the fixture.

 

The bombers are averaging just over 20K for their last couple of home games so there is ZERO reasons why they should not travel down to Kardinia Park next year!

Us on the other hand are premiers and Cats/Dees games are marquee, clearly should be on the big stage