9 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

There’s no reason Fritsch can’t add it to his game if he’s coached up and coached hard, he has the physical tools it’s just attitude and technique. He should also be rotated through the wing to see the value of forward pressure. No more dining out on the grand final for Fritter.

he's our #1 forward

i'd much prefer he stay doing what he's doing that take him away from his best and most effective role

3 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

There’s no reason Fritsch can’t add it to his game if he’s coached up and coached hard, he has the physical tools it’s just attitude and technique. He should also be rotated through the wing to see the value of forward pressure. No more dining out on the grand final for Fritter.

He could improve it. But only marginally.

Every player that comes into the system is programmed somewhat with a skill set as well as a mindset.

Fritsch's first instinct post contest is not to defend and never has been. And once you come into the AFL system it's hard to change those habits to any significant degree. Because it's too programmed.

Pickett on the other hand is exactly the opposite. His first instinct post contest is to defend like his life depends on it. 

 

20 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

he's our #1 forward

i'd much prefer he stay doing what he's doing that take him away from his best and most effective role

He’s not good enough to be a pure full forward, no one is. If we want to play a more up tempo aggressive game plan - a plan that will ultimately help Fritsch - then we need two things. 1. More forward pressure. 2. More midfield rotations.

Come finals next year Fritsch might never leave the forward 50, but next season should start more about the journey than the destination. 

A clean slate of positions and roles is important to that. 

 

Edited September 18, 20222 yr by DeeSpencer

3 hours ago, adonski said:

We can be a 'quick' side with both Gawn & Grundy. I mean Collingwood play both Cox & Cameron together anyway.

Adding speed to our side will be more about getting better ball users (Bowey) to improve transition, another true wingman & another speedy forward into the side

I believe Bowey was available for the finals

1 minute ago, Kent said:

I believe Bowey was available for the finals

Delist him then you reckon?

16 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Ruckmen aren't relevant to their style of play

Same with probably half the league

Tom Hickey literally won the game for the Swans, both through total weight of contribution and through crucial late-game marks.

16 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Grundy's price went down by 25% today

Think on it...you'll realise why

I think you can mount an argument the opposite is true.

Are you telling me Collingwood wouldn't have obtained a better output from Grundy over Mason Cox's 2 marks, 5 disposals, 2 tackles and 18 hit outs?

Darcy Cameron played number 1 ruck most of the year, but he's got strong forward qualities. Collingwood were beaten in CPs and clearances most weeks and Grundy's historically been a ruck who can play as an additional midfielder.

I'd have thought yesterday highlighted how Grundy over Cox, shifting Cameron into the forward/ruck role, would make Collingwood a better side.

4 hours ago, mo64 said:

Last night's game was a blueprint on how to beat us. When the Swans moved the ball quickly and avoided kicking long, they dominated. Once they tired, the Pies were able to run the ball and they dominated. We got found out by both these teams.

I can't imagine having both Grundy and Gawn on the ground in the 2nd half of games will solve the issues we faced this year. We need to change things up and become more mobile. I wouldn't bet on Grundy being mobile at his age and post injuries. 

You say we got found out but did we? Everyone bemoans our style yet it won a Premiership. We were some poor shots on goal from beating the Pies who scraped over the line with the help of the umpires. The Swans beat us by under 4 goals and we were clearly hampered by Petracca and Gawn both being sore on the night. No one steam rolled us and we weren't at our best. A tweak here and there, a good rest before preseason and we'll be back on top where we belong.

Edited September 18, 20222 yr by Roost it far

3 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

I think you can mount an argument the opposite is true.

Are you telling me Collingwood wouldn't have obtained a better output from Grundy over Mason Cox's 2 marks, 5 disposals, 2 tackles and 18 hit outs?

Darcy Cameron played number 1 ruck most of the year, but he's got strong forward qualities. Collingwood were beaten in CPs and clearances most weeks and Grundy's historically been a ruck who can play as an additional midfielder.

I'd have thought yesterday highlighted how Grundy over Cox, shifting Cameron into the forward/ruck role, would make Collingwood a better side.

I wonder if yesterday's result will change Collingwood's list management vis a vis Grundy?

1 hour ago, JimmyGadson said:

Good luck with that. 

He will never bridge the gap so relying on that especially over one summer is a pipe-dream. 

Replacing ANB is something I'd love to see going forward. I just don't see his value now. He's been in the system for a long time and his forward craft is average at best. Forward craft is too important and you want to see incremental improvement with these guys, not one good year one poor. 

I'd have Chandler ahead of him in an instant. 

 

Agree on ANB. His work rate is top notch and was an important piece in 2021. But chandler or I 'd even try harmes who has shown he can kick a goal and is better overhead than nibber (will need to work on his tank in the preseason)

2 hours ago, rpfc said:

Spargo is a big conundrum for me as I really struggle with whether he is ‘too slow mid’ out of position, or can actually find footy at the contest in the F50. He gets a great deal on the overlap and maybe he should be competing with ANB for the non-Ed wing…

If you could have Spargo anywhere on the ground you would want thim to be the last posession going inside 50. His delivery is great. The problem with him being on a wing is his lack of speed and penetration with his kick. A lovely short pass he has, but struggles to kick over 40m. 

If we had a second winger like Ed, added to a fit Grundy, instantly both sides of the ground open up for us.

Im sick of our complete lack of unpredictability from defence.

The problem with ANB, despite all his gut running, is his disposal and decision making, I'm sure the rest of the team feel it's a real momentum killer also. He gets away with too much IMO.

5 hours ago, Salems Lot said:

Just musing on potential headlines if he does join us:

"GrunDee!"

"GrunDeeal"

Too soon?

As they say in footy, take the first option.

5 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

He’s not good enough to be a pure full forward, no one is. If we want to play a more up tempo aggressive game plan - a plan that will ultimately help Fritsch - then we need two things. 1. More forward pressure. 2. More midfield rotations.

Come finals next year Fritsch might never leave the forward 50, but next season should start more about the journey than the destination. 

A clean slate of positions and roles is important to that. 

 

could not disagree more

he is our #1 forward - has kicked 60 odd goals two seasons in a row

use players where they're at their best

15 hours ago, adonski said:

Delist him then you reckon?

NO NOT AT ALL

he should have played instead of chronically injured Salem! Thats my piont. Goodwin continued to pick banged up players and we got little for it in performance

16 hours ago, A F said:

I wonder if yesterday's result will change Collingwood's list management vis a vis Grundy?

If it wasn't for his $ I'm sure they would. 

Like us they are not a very tall team.  Those over 1.95m are ruckman Cameron, Cox (32 next year) the incoming Frampton who has played 18 games in 8 years and Moore.  Their tallest forward will be Mcstay at 1.95.  Next tallest backman is Howe (33 next year) at 1.9m

It might suit their game plan to not be tall but in the next few years they will need to replace a few of their tallest players.  As will mfc.

They must have another plan for their tall player replacements otherwise giving up Grundy for $ seems rather risky.

Edited September 18, 20222 yr by Lucifers Hero

1 hour ago, Lucifers Hero said:

he incoming Frampton who has played 18 games in 8 years

Not sure why the Pies are chasing Frampton.  He's  got less credits in the bank than his namesake Peter whose only hit was Frampton Comes Alive ... and that was pretty disappointing in itself. 

4 minutes ago, grazman said:

Not sure why the Pies are chasing Frampton.  He's  got less credits in the bank than his namesake Peter whose only hit was Frampton Comes Alive ... and that was pretty disappointing in itself. 

What about his time in Humble Pie?

1 minute ago, grazman said:

Not sure why the Pies are chasing Frampton.  He's  got less credits in the bank than his namesake Peter whose only hit was Frampton Comes Alive ... and that was pretty disappointing in itself. 

I can only assume it is a 'press glass in an emergency' play...

...18 games in 8 years says it all.

Relying on Cox as their relief ruck/resting fwd is a risky play for mine.  They must have someone in mind when he goes in a year or two to play with Cameron.

Maybe Grundy will relent and take a pay cut...

Exit interviews this week. Wonder if we'll see an announcement of him requesting a trade.

Technically, they should be able to re-time Grundy's $ to the years when other players retire entirely or retire into lower contracts.  Of course the elephant in the room is how much they backended...

38 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Exit interviews this week. Wonder if we'll see an announcement of him requesting a trade.

If this happens, I wonder if we would have already agreed on a pick that we already have, from this year or next (hopefully not next years 1st rounder)

1 hour ago, mo64 said:

What about his time in Humble Pie?

I can see him do his Natural Born Boogie now.

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Exit interviews this week. Wonder if we'll see an announcement of him requesting a trade.

He doesn't need to, he is happy with his contract. He won't look to break his contract.

He will be offered to us.

“I expect Jordan De Goey to stay. But obviously they’re aiming to get [Dan] McStay…[Billy] Frampton in as well as Bobby Hill.

“That all hinges on a very important decision concerning Brodie Grundy.

“Grundy’s got his exit interview over the next couple of days… I expect - at least formally - he’ll request a trade to Melbourne."