CASEY: Rd 03 vs Williamstown

[D4Life 2,436]

12 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

Well he had a lot better last quarter but I personally think Weid keeps his spot. The question is who replaces Tomlinson? Does Petty come in straight away or does Joel.Smith take his spot. Personally I'd give Petty one more week in the 2's. Joel.Smith for mine.

BBB worst AFL season has been better than Weids best. If BBB is fit, FD will bring him in.

Only other change will be Smith if Rivers not quite right. Goodwin doesn’t make many changes to winning teams.

[binman 42,606]

By the by on Brown's game, I watched him pretty closely too.

Had a very quiet first half, but was vocal and involved. 

Worked really hard all game and got his desrved reward with a couple of goals.

A couple of things to note.

One, the ground is small and he hardly any space at all to lead into or fly for marks. Very crowded forward half.

Only once did he get a decent leading lane and Andy MW hit up a nice pass for his first goal.

The willy defender played tight man on man on him all night, and took every opportunity to bump and scrag him as did their huge ruckman who was into him all game.

I had to laugh, I sat in the beautiful old stand for the second half and there was on old fella, a willy fan, giving it to brown non stop. 

[sue 9,096]

20 minutes ago, binman said:

By the by on Brown's game, I watched him pretty closely too.

Had a very quiet first half, but was vocal and involved. 

Worked really hard all game and got his desrved reward with a couple of goals.

A couple of things to note.

One, the ground is small and he hardly any space at all to lead into or fly for marks. Very crowded forward half.

Only once did he get a decent leading lane and Andy MW hit up a nice pass for his first goal.

The willy defender played tight man on man on him all night, and took every opportunity to bump and scrag him as did their huge ruckman who was into him all game.

I had to laugh, I sat in the beautiful old stand for the second half and there was on old fella, a willy fan, giving it to brown non stop. 

I noticed that and was in fear that the defender and ruckman might try to prove how important they are by doing what was done to Brown's namesake last week by the Essendon thug.

[picket fence 17,033]

Rosman in the bests playing on a half back flank, hnmm interesting!!

[dworship 3,342]

I was in the same camp as W'dee (unusual I know) regarding the BB vs Weid debate up until half time. By the end of the game Brown had worked out how to play the ground and his opponents. The major factor; his one grab marks, including in contested and pack situations. BB took 6 marks in a half of football. Weid took 3 in an entire game last week. I do hold hope for Weid but he needs to put a substantial run of form together at Casey if he is to replace BB on a permanent basis.

On another note; our under 20 brigade are coming along nicely.

[Return to Glory 8,411]

20 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Rosman in the bests playing on a half back flank, hnmm interesting!!

If we're looking at an option to Hunt (I'm struggling to be a fan these days), it's maybe not a bad position for him to be playing in.

[58er 6,378]

14 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Brown played tonight for fitness, not for form. His recent AFL form means he comes straight back into the side. He didn't need to kick a bag of goals to prove that.

He didn't play AFL because of Timing and transport issues. We will never know if we played at the G what would have happened.

But the fact that the games were 2 days apart was fine you play at Casey and have a run around take a few marks etc. 

BBB has got a  good track record since midway last season ( Port game on in fact) and for any one saying he had to star and be almost BOG forward to play  next week is ludicrous. 

Look at Weid coming in for BBB last week and not the 7 goal star in Mitch B. 
We all know about racehorses some have starts to get race ready and others have jump outs where they try but are often held back so just for the run ie fitness like BBB.

So one of Weid and OR maybe  Tmac will not be playing vs GWS. I want Weid to have a run for 5/6 weeks though. He was too good vs Bombers and BBB too good since 2021 run of games and esp. Ginals not to play.

Defence interesting but Petty needs another hit out Smith might replace Hunt but did any backman  play that bad he deserves to be dropped ? Or does Smithy deserve his place back in the 7 defenders on firm.

OR does our team balance of talls snd smalls need special attention for GWS. 

FGS we had 16 shots (4/6 in Last 15 mins) against us and 36 points. It's not sheep stations at this stage. 

Firwsrd line more important forGoody and Co. 

[Paulo 285]

2 hours ago, picket fence said:

Rosman in the bests playing on a half back flank, hnmm interesting!!

He ran down tippa last week, does have a good set of wheels

[58er 6,378]

On 4/8/2022 at 10:53 PM, Earl Hood said:

I thought he must have Covid issues, close contact or something? 

Guys heres an idea Read the team changes COVID PROTOCOLS.  

[Nascent 9,088]

Are we sure the stats are correct? A total of 250 touches for the team seems incredibly low for a comfortable victory. Around about 50 - 100 less disposals than most other teams so far this round as well.

[daisycutter 29,600]

10 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Are we sure the stats are correct? A total of 250 touches for the team seems incredibly low for a comfortable victory. Around about 50 - 100 less disposals than most other teams so far this round as well.

thought the same

maybe small ground, lots of congestion and ball ups

and statistician(s) couldn't keep up or get a decent view so missed a lot of stats

[—coach— 3,496]

The Brown v Weid debate for me comes down to what each player does when they have a scoreless game. Brown creates far more opportunities for those around him to score than Weid. On that basis he’s first pick when fit. Simple.

 

[binman 42,606]

2 minutes ago, —coach— said:

The Brown v Weid debate for me comes down to what each player does when they have a scoreless game. Brown creates far more opportunities for those around him to score than Weid. On that basis he’s first pick when fit. Simple.

 

There isn't a brown v weed debate is there?

I haven't read anyone suggesting bb isn't straight backnin next week.

It's a tmac v weed debate. 

 

[binman 42,606]

Or should that be dee bate?

[rjay 24,852]

3 minutes ago, binman said:

There isn't a brown v weed debate is there?

I haven't read anyone suggesting bb isn't straight backnin next week.

It's a tmac v weed debate. 

 

Believe it or not some have suggested it...can't be bothered with a search but yes they have.

Edited April 10, 2022 by rjay

[—coach— 3,496]

10 minutes ago, binman said:

There isn't a brown v weed debate is there?

I haven't read anyone suggesting bb isn't straight backnin next week.

It's a tmac v weed debate. 

 

Yeah some feel Brown should have to break down the door to get back in over Weid.

 

PS Not me, straight back in for my mind.

Edited April 10, 2022 by —coach—

[Forest Demon 4,681]

Ben Brown is 100% in next week imo. He didn't play against Port due to logistics after coming out of H&S protocols and today would have just been a light hit out for him. It's just a matter of who comes out for him, and I'd comfortably take TMac over Weid.

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,798]

4 hours ago, dworship said:

I was in the same camp as W'dee (unusual I know) regarding the BB vs Weid debate up until half time. By the end of the game Brown had worked out how to play the ground and his opponents. The major factor; his one grab marks, including in contested and pack situations. BB took 6 marks in a half of football. Weid took 3 in an entire game last week. I do hold hope for Weid but he needs to put a substantial run of form together at Casey if he is to replace BB on a permanent basis.

On another note; our under 20 brigade are coming along nicely.

 

28 minutes ago, binman said:

There isn't a brown v weed debate is there?

I haven't read anyone suggesting bb isn't straight backnin next week.

It's a tmac v weed debate. 

 

It's T Mac and BBB for me next week.

T Mac didn't exactly start, but I feel like he gave so much more effort and contest than Weid.  With Weid, it's seems to be that either he'll get amoungst it and kick a few goals or he'll be well held and be an almost invisable non contributor.  At the moment, I think Weid lacks the nous of how to get involved with the play if he's not able to pull down the big marks, where as T Mac at least leads further up the ground, presents an outlet option nullifies the contest at worst.  T Mac also seems to be much better at scrapping out the ball on the ground, tackling and uses his big body to take on the takler alot more to clear a path and keep the ball going our way when he hasn't marked.

I actually feel that Weid has to show something with the remainder of this season just to remain on an AFL list, not just ours.  Really hope I'm over reacting based on a small sample size this season on this one, because I hope the Weid can turn it on and make it, but I feel like his mediocre effort against Port will probably cost him his spot in the side and make him have to fight for it at Casey some more.

Not sure if others see it differently or not. 

[titan_uranus 24,969]

4 hours ago, dworship said:

I was in the same camp as W'dee (unusual I know) regarding the BB vs Weid debate up until half time. By the end of the game Brown had worked out how to play the ground and his opponents. The major factor; his one grab marks, including in contested and pack situations. BB took 6 marks in a half of football. Weid took 3 in an entire game last week. I do hold hope for Weid but he needs to put a substantial run of form together at Casey if he is to replace BB on a permanent basis.

On another note; our under 20 brigade are coming along nicely.

I think this is as good an argument as any as to why Brown comes straight back in despite a stats line that wasn't amazing.

Has Weideman ever played a poor first half but then found form within a game, turned it around, and ended up contributing? I can't recall that ever happening.

[monoccular 17,413]

1 hour ago, adonski said:

My eyes never fail me, I saw him doing a sudoku in the forward pocket

But that would suggest uninterested, not disinterested. 

[faultydet 7,594]

10 hours ago, Demonstone said:

"Disinterested" is a commonly misused word that rolls off the tongue easily, but it means unbiased.  You would hope, for example, that the umpires were disinterested.

What mono was saying is that if you don't care, the correct word is "uninterested".

Thanks for that Demonstone and mono.

I can always rely on yous to make me speak gooder.

[Queanbeyan Demon 6,813]

21 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

Tomlinson surely will be dropped. Ben.Brown was playing for his spot just like every VFL player. There is not much difference between Weideman and Brown. People are acting like his form was fantastic in the AFL it was just ok. He didn't touch it in the first half, didn't do enough for mine. Don't be surprised to see Weideman starting against GWS.

Just checking . . . are there two BBBs that play for Melbourne? Surely we're not talking about the one who averaged two goals a game in 2021 and who kicked three in a granny, took two contested marks, had eight contested possessions and four one percenters? Nah!

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

6 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

 

It's T Mac and BBB for me next week.

T Mac didn't exactly start, but I feel like he gave so much more effort and contest than Weid.  With Weid, it's seems to be that either he'll get amoungst it and kick a few goals or he'll be well held and be an almost invisable non contributor.  At the moment, I think Weid lacks the nous of how to get involved with the play if he's not able to pull down the big marks, where as T Mac at least leads further up the ground, presents an outlet option nullifies the contest at worst.  T Mac also seems to be much better at scrapping out the ball on the ground, tackling and uses his big body to take on the takler alot more to clear a path and keep the ball going our way when he hasn't marked.

I actually feel that Weid has to show something with the remainder of this season just to remain on an AFL list, not just ours.  Really hope I'm over reacting based on a small sample size this season on this one, because I hope the Weid can turn it on and make it, but I feel like his mediocre effort against Port will probably cost him his spot in the side and make him have to fight for it at Casey some more.

Not sure if others see it differently or not. 

I know it's all about playing your role but can't understand that TMac who basically has played one good game of the past 10 since coming back from injury is preferred to Wiedeman. Wiedeman had an ordinary game against Port but the way Port played (especially for the 1st half) was focussed entirely on stopping Melbourne scoring and playing keepings off - hardly conducive to forwards starring. TMac played slightly better than Weideman but I still think not well enough to keep his spot at Wiedeman's expense. Wiedeman should be given another couple of weeks for Melbourne IMV and if he doesn't perform then drop him and bring TMac back (if he performs for Casey).  When was the last time TMac kicked 4 goals? For me it's BBB & Wiedeman against GWS.

Re Wiedeman remaining on the list, he's contracted until 2023 so unless some other team wants to buy out his contract he's going nowhere this year.

I was looking forward to watching the Casey game today (I was out last night). The whole game is on the AFL website but someone has stuffed up because there is no audio!

[David-Demon 563]

On 4/9/2022 at 7:13 AM, WERRIDEE said:

Weideman has to keep his spot with the way Brown is playing.

won't happen.

[Demons1858 1,742]

The issue with Weid appears to be mental - has all the tools but struggles with pressure