Farewell Luke Jackson

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4 minutes ago, FlashInThePan said:

Significant other 😉

In this case, ‘significant’ is debatable. 
Remember, she’s the one who was outraged about having to wash her own hair while in hotel quarantine. 

Edited January 26, 2022 by WalkingCivilWar

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6 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

In this case, ‘significant’ is debatable. 
Remember, she’s the one who was outraged about having to wash her own hair while in hotel quarantine. 

Oh the horror! 😁

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1 hour ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

In this case, ‘significant’ is debatable. 
Remember, she’s the one who was outraged about having to wash her own hair while in hotel quarantine. 

And if you tell that story to kids these days then they simply won't believe you.

Edited January 26, 2022 by TRIGON

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13 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Reminds me of what a grubby affair the whole Tom $cully defection was (literally and metaphorically, since Graeme 'Grubby' Allan was up to his eyeballs in it).  Won't ever forget or forgive all that.  Spare me the sob story about what a rabble we were off the feild and how $cully just wanted to be part of a sucessful culture, it was mostly just about the $$$$. 

Our current captain stayed and became an important cog in the rebuilding of sucessful, selfless team culture, hoisted the cup and has a premership medallion that's worth more than the millions $cully got paid and I think there's something in that.

Re the Tom Scully transfer saga, I have no problem with him leaving Melbourne, or the fact the move may have involved his father getting a job at GWS (as long as it was declared under the salary cap). Footballers are professional, and have an undertain playing career, and an even more uncertain post-playing career, so they're entitled to maximise their return while they can. If you or I were offered a job with better-pay, a longer-term contract and with a more professional organisation we would be irresponsible to reject it. What's the difference for a professional footballer? Let's forget the character assassination. How was Melbourne travelling at the end of 2011? We sacked Dean Bailey after the 186-point loss to Geelong in Round 19 and the future was hardly looking rosy.

The comparison with Max Gawn is misguided. Gawn was drafted at 34 in the same draft as Scully with an existing ACL. He did his ACL again in the 2012 pre-season and didn't play that year. He played 4 games in fis first 3 years. Max did his knee again the last game of the 2014 season and didn't become a regular in the Melbourne side until half-way through 2015. At that stage he was lucky to be on the list, and I'm sure other clubs weren't queueing up for his services. Melbourne showed outstanding loyalty to Max Gawn. By the end of that year, Melbourne were on the way up (Paul Roos' 2nd year) so why would Max be going anywhere else?

So let's not pretend Scully was this mercenary who sold his soul, and Gawn is this superhero who has shown tremendous loyalty, unlike others. I love Max but let's just focus on the facts. OK, Max is now a Premiership Captain but Scully wouldn't have even played in the Premiership if he had stayed since he has now retired through injury. Which Club was more successful in the years Tom Scully was at GWS, Melbourne or GWS? 

There's been a similar discussion on this site in the past about Jeremy Howe. Howe supposedly is this disloyal traitor that went to a despised club. In fact he improved substantially as a player after his transfer to Collingwood and like Scully moved to a more successful club so good luck to him.

It's really easy to re-write history in hindsight after a successful year. Tell me anyone who predicted a Melbourne Premiership at the start of the 2021 Season. Most pundits weren't even predicting that we'd make the 8.

Re Luke Jackson, obviously we want him to stay, but if he leaves let's not all pile on and denigrate him, his family and the Club that gets him. As usual, we'll find out about 10% of the total reason for any move. Going forward, let's all treat past, current and future players with respect...  

Edited January 26, 2022 by Sydney_Demon
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25 minutes ago, Sydney_Demon said:

Re the Tom Scully transfer saga, I have no problem with him leaving Melbourne, or the fact the move may have involved his father getting a job at GWS (as long as it was declared under the salary cap). Footballers are professional, and have an undertain playing career, and an even more uncertain post-playing career, so they're entitled to maximise their return while they can. If you or I were offered a job with better-pay, a longer-term contract and with a more professional organisation we would be irresponsible to reject it. What's the difference for a professional footballer? Let's forget the character assassination. How was Melbourne travelling at the end of 2011? We sacked Dean Bailey after the 186-point loss to Geelong in Round 19 and the future was hardly looking rosy.

Yeah, but it wasn't declared, it was hidden and only came out years later.  Like I say it was a grubby affair.  The word slimy also comes to mind, with Sheedy also up to his eyeballs in it and I think it's a far reflection on him as well.  I remember how smug Sheedy was announcing he'd just stolen $cully from us.

Can't stand such clinical business analogies being applied to sport, the two arn't an equivalent.  No one invests in shares simply because they like the company colours or corporate logo.  Loyalty and the way players treat a supporter base are a valuable commodity in sport and $culley absolutely trashed that with his conduct at the time.  To be fair, the AFL was also partly to blame with the way they set the rules up.

To be honest, while I was disappointed to loose all of Farmer, Rivers, Frawley and Howe, I'm not as filthy on any of them as I am on $culley, because of the service they did give us amd way they conducted themselves about leaving us.  As bitterly disappointed as I was about loosing Scott Tompson to Adelaide (particularly after watching the elite player he became), I can understand his desire to more closer to family and that was a considered risk Melbourne took when they recruited him.  I could have gone much harder and cruder on $culley, but I somewhat refrained.

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so……. any actual news about his contract status? 

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16 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Yeah, but it wasn't declared, it was hidden and only came out years later.  Like I say it was a grubby affair.  The word slimy also comes to mind, with Sheedy also up to his eyeballs in it and I think it's a far reflection on him as well.  I remember how smug Sheedy was announcing he'd just stolen $cully from us.

Can't stand such clinical business analogies being applied to sport, the two arn't an equivalent.  No one invests in shares simply because they like the company colours or corporate logo.  Loyalty and the way players treat a supporter base are a valuable commodity in sport and $culley absolutely trashed that with his conduct at the time.  To be fair, the AFL was also partly to blame with the way they set the rules up.

To be honest, while I was disappointed to loose all of Farmer, Rivers, Frawley and Howe, I'm not as filthy on any of them as I am on $culley, because of the service they did give us amd way they conducted themselves about leaving us.  As bitterly disappointed as I was about loosing Scott Tompson to Adelaide (particularly after watching the elite player he became), I can understand his desire to more closer to family and that was a considered risk Melbourne took when they recruited him.  I could have gone much harder and cruder on $culley, but I somewhat refrained.

Do you really think Jeremy Howe was out going in his move to the Pies.

From my recollection he didn't say a word until near the end of trade period and suddenly said he had discussions with Nathan Buckley in the Bali Jungle (sorry ) ie around the pool  who  promised him with his manager (Anthony McDonald I think)  a spot in the forward line  even suggesting he had the tank to play on a wing !!!

No discussion at all with the Club it seemed oh and the fact that he barracked for C'wood all his life !!! 

Hardly a model way to leave a Club!!

Also Roosy had him as a HB flanker before he left us so it was not Buckley who should get the credit for his HB role.

He allegedly took a pay cut to move (which they tried to make it look more genuine Than it was) ie no sincerity at all. 

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12 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Yeah, but it wasn't declared, it was hidden and only came out years later.  Like I say it was a grubby affair.  The word slimy also comes to mind, with Sheedy also up to his eyeballs in it and I think it's a far reflection on him as well.  I remember how smug Sheedy was announcing he'd just stolen $cully from us.

Can't stand such clinical business analogies being applied to sport, the two arn't an equivalent.  No one invests in shares simply because they like the company colours or corporate logo.  Loyalty and the way players treat a supporter base are a valuable commodity in sport and $culley absolutely trashed that with his conduct at the time.  To be fair, the AFL was also partly to blame with the way they set the rules up.

To be honest, while I was disappointed to loose all of Farmer, Rivers, Frawley and Howe, I'm not as filthy on any of them as I am on $culley, because of the service they did give us amd way they conducted themselves about leaving us.  As bitterly disappointed as I was about loosing Scott Tompson to Adelaide (particularly after watching the elite player he became), I can understand his desire to more closer to family and that was a considered risk Melbourne took when they recruited him.  I could have gone much harder and cruder on $culley, but I somewhat refrained.

It wasn't hidden and came out maybe a month after the trade, not years later:

https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/tom-scullys-dad-joins-greater-western-sydney-in-a-recruiting-role-ng-7f789a010070735e17161ff12794f215

I really can't see the difference whether it's split between the player and his father or it all goes to the player.

Let's just agree to disagree about football and business. Yes, I'm passionate about Melbourne Football Club and we'd all love to think that there's this wonderful alignment between players and supporters. I'm sure 99% of players do care about supporters as do the Clubs. Also, I totally accept that Premierships mean a lot to players, not just how much money they earn. So, yes, It is different to business but I'd also like to think in business I always genuinely cared about customers, not just my salary. I guess I'm just a realist. Players have a lot more in common with each other than with the supporters and primary loyalty to family and friends is more important than loyalty to the Club and it's supporters. Obviously the financial imperrative was totally different when players were amateurs or semi-professional but that's not the reality now.

I'm always  slightly bemused about how supporters turn on players once they've left the Club and similarly of course any player who joins the Club suddenly becomes a hero. I'm guilty of this as much as the next man but I do occasionally try to correct my prejudices. The players haven't changed as human beings in either case.

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27 minutes ago, 58er said:

Do you really think Jeremy Howe was out going in his move to the Pies.

From my recollection he didn't say a word until near the end of trade period and suddenly said he had discussions with Nathan Buckley in the Bali Jungle (sorry ) ie around the pool  who  promised him with his manager (Anthony McDonald I think)  a spot in the forward line  even suggesting he had the tank to play on a wing !!!

No discussion at all with the Club it seemed oh and the fact that he barracked for C'wood all his life !!! 

Hardly a model way to leave a Club!!

Also Roosy had him as a HB flanker before he left us so it was not Buckley who should get the credit for his HB role.

He allegedly took a pay cut to move (which they tried to make it look more genuine Than it was) ie no sincerity at all. 

Might be time to move on. I apologise for bringing up Jeremy Howes' name again.

It's funny how most people post about how disgusting it is that players are driven by the dollar and that that overrides Club loyalty. Of course this is BS. Players move for a combination of reasons (most of which never get into the public sphere) and the fact they care about their income somehow is a crime, even though 99.99% of supporters decisions re employment are significantly driven by pay.

In Howes' case, somehow the fact he went for less money (allegedly) shows no sincerity. If the fact Howes was a Collingwood Supporter influenced his decision, then somehow that's a crime. Its OK for fans to have irrational allegiances driving their decisions but players are supposed to be loyal under all circumstances!

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6 minutes ago, Sydney_Demon said:

Might be time to move on. I apologise for bringing up Jeremy Howes' name again.

It's funny how most people post about how disgusting it is that players are driven by the dollar and that that overrides Club loyalty. Of course this is BS. Players move for a combination of reasons (most of which never get into the public sphere) and the fact they care about their income somehow is a crime, even though 99.99% of supporters decisions re employment are significantly driven by pay.

In Howes' case, somehow the fact he went for less money (allegedly) shows no sincerity. If the fact Howes was a Collingwood Supporter influenced his decision, then somehow that's a crime. Its OK for fans to have irrational allegiances driving their decisions but players are supposed to be loyal under all circumstances!

sd, the only thing rational about footy is its irrationality 

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18 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Where’s the girlfriend we were all hoping he’d have by now?????

Am hearing there is a que forming :- but given the wobbly teeth, it may take 2 flags to seal the deal.

 

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8 minutes ago, 1964_2 said:

Am hearing there is a que forming

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55 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

Twice in the same thread, for two totally different whatever-we-decided-to-call-thems!

Who woulda thunk it?

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4 hours ago, 58er said:

Do you really think Jeremy Howe was out going in his move to the Pies.

From my recollection he didn't say a word until near the end of trade period and suddenly said he had discussions with Nathan Buckley in the Bali Jungle (sorry ) ie around the pool  who  promised him with his manager (Anthony McDonald I think)  a spot in the forward line  even suggesting he had the tank to play on a wing !!!

No discussion at all with the Club it seemed oh and the fact that he barracked for C'wood all his life !!! 

Hardly a model way to leave a Club!!

Also Roosy had him as a HB flanker before he left us so it was not Buckley who should get the credit for his HB role.

He allegedly took a pay cut to move (which they tried to make it look more genuine Than it was) ie no sincerity at all. 

I don't hold that against Howe, that only happened after we tried to force him out to the Gold Coast to get a higher draft pick (that used in the Oliver/Weissman draft from memory).

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4 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I don't hold that against Howe, that only happened after we tried to force him out to the Gold Coast to get a higher draft pick (that used in the Oliver/Weissman draft from memory).

Yep, good ol' Spam Weissman.

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I’d say he plans on going back after he retires (fair enough) and will just rent it out until then

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10 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I don't hold that against Howe, that only happened after we tried to force him out to the Gold Coast to get a higher draft pick (that used in the Oliver/Weissman draft from memory).

Well I wasn't aware of that but still don't like the way he left.

Tmac and ANB say  (Hi We've got our premiership medal !!!!)

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17 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Yeah, but it wasn't declared, it was hidden and only came out years later.  Like I say it was a grubby affair.  The word slimy also comes to mind, with Sheedy also up to his eyeballs in it and I think it's a far reflection on him as well.  I remember how smug Sheedy was announcing he'd just stolen $cully from us.

Can't stand such clinical business analogies being applied to sport, the two arn't an equivalent.  No one invests in shares simply because they like the company colours or corporate logo.  Loyalty and the way players treat a supporter base are a valuable commodity in sport and $culley absolutely trashed that with his conduct at the time.  To be fair, the AFL was also partly to blame with the way they set the rules up.

To be honest, while I was disappointed to loose all of Farmer, Rivers, Frawley and Howe, I'm not as filthy on any of them as I am on $culley, because of the service they did give us amd way they conducted themselves about leaving us.  As bitterly disappointed as I was about loosing Scott Tompson to Adelaide (particularly after watching the elite player he became), I can understand his desire to more closer to family and that was a considered risk Melbourne took when they recruited him.  I could have gone much harder and cruder on $culley, but I somewhat refrained.

Did the Dees declare the boat Mr White received??

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18 hours ago, Wells 11 said:

so……. any actual news about his contract status? 

The quick answer is NO!

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18 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Yeah, but it wasn't declared, it was hidden and only came out years later.  Like I say it was a grubby affair.  The word slimy also comes to mind, with Sheedy also up to his eyeballs in it and I think it's a far reflection on him as well.  I remember how smug Sheedy was announcing he'd just stolen $cully from us.

Can't stand such clinical business analogies being applied to sport, the two arn't an equivalent.  No one invests in shares simply because they like the company colours or corporate logo.  Loyalty and the way players treat a supporter base are a valuable commodity in sport and $culley absolutely trashed that with his conduct at the time.  To be fair, the AFL was also partly to blame with the way they set the rules up.

To be honest, while I was disappointed to loose all of Farmer, Rivers, Frawley and Howe, I'm not as filthy on any of them as I am on $culley, because of the service they did give us amd way they conducted themselves about leaving us.  As bitterly disappointed as I was about loosing Scott Tompson to Adelaide (particularly after watching the elite player he became), I can understand his desire to more closer to family and that was a considered risk Melbourne took when they recruited him.  I could have gone much harder and cruder on $culley, but I somewhat refrained.

Sheedy is a spiteful bloke. It's no coincidence he missed out on our coaching job then threw the kitchen sink at Scully and all you eat pies at his old man

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54 minutes ago, Wrecker46 said:

Sheedy is a spiteful bloke. It's no coincidence he missed out on our coaching job then threw the kitchen sink at Scully and all you eat pies at his old man

Always felt like the man grew up with a certain respect for MFC in the Norm Smith days, however he had that chip on the shoulder and a desire to knock us off our perch after being passed over by us as a teen (or not brought onto the list for whatever reason). Seemed to have those residual feelings right until the end of his coaching career in my opinion and it really showed in the way he spoke about being interviewed for our coaching job. Not sure, just always felt there was a touch of disdain there. 

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19 hours ago, 58er said:

Do you really think Jeremy Howe was out going in his move to the Pies.

From my recollection he didn't say a word until near the end of trade period and suddenly said he had discussions with Nathan Buckley in the Bali Jungle (sorry ) ie around the pool  who  promised him with his manager (Anthony McDonald I think)  a spot in the forward line  even suggesting he had the tank to play on a wing !!!

No discussion at all with the Club it seemed oh and the fact that he barracked for C'wood all his life !!! 

Hardly a model way to leave a Club!!

Also Roosy had him as a HB flanker before he left us so it was not Buckley who should get the credit for his HB role.

He allegedly took a pay cut to move (which they tried to make it look more genuine Than it was) ie no sincerity at all. 

I believe Howe left because he didn't feel wanted.

He wasn't in our long term plans.

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2 hours ago, Kent said:

Did the Dees declare the boat Mr White received??

Easy up there Brock McLean! 😁

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Jacko Trac Clarry????

Theres now a list of premiership players who are going to look very attractive to opposition teams, who will have salary space or other attractions.

WA is a very atractive location and possibly cheaper with opportunities to get better return and n and nvestments.

BUT if you want to be part of the most significant ccesful TEAM and be remembered far beyond your playing career you may have to make some sacrifices.

Just look at Dangerfield  who has a profile as an important ndividual but has failed to get that elusive flag he wanted. Yes he has a great life in Geelong back home and is more than comfortable but he has not achieved the ultimate prize that all players want.

while the Premiership is the ultimate prize I am sure Swallow , Bowey and others will not be recognised as great until they are multiple winners over a long career. 

Jacko has only just begun and I am sure he is something special but so was Jesse Hogan.

Good luck to the negotiators

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We all know how good Luke Jackson is and how much better we expect him to become, he has shown that he is a team oriented player that isn’t afraid of hard work. He is an MFC Premiership player who appeared to really enjoy our success, to my mind he is a stayer.❤️💙