On 20/08/2022 at 05:00, IRW said:

You have to hit rock bottom before you can honestly  change for the better.

 

At least another 5-10,000 days

 

 

  On 20/08/2022 at 08:05, rpfc said:

 

 

He won’t be missed!

  On 20/08/2022 at 08:05, rpfc said:

 

 

It's one game - he is rated average for hit outs to advantage across the season at 29.9%.  English is 29.6% and rated below average.  I was impressed with him last night though.  He looked like a player who is fully invested. If he can play like that for another month he'll likely have another premiership medal.

  On 20/08/2022 at 01:30, Jaded No More said:

Giant gingers. Lots of bullying in their future school days. 

And then a few bongs after school.

Luke was red hot last night. Let's just leave it at that for now.

  On 20/08/2022 at 08:48, layzie said:

Luke was red hot last night. Let's just leave it at that for now.

He's been brilliant for us for two years and is only scratching the surface. He's going to be a huge loss.

I'm quietly confident he stays.

  On 20/08/2022 at 21:16, Tracca said:

I'm quietly confident he stays.

I have always been confident! There is no compelling reason to go in my view.

 

The dream scenario:

Number 6 called up to get his premiership medallion, screams into the microphone        “ I am staying”.

Next day in the news of Dees back to back flags, an article on Jacko  signing a 7 year deal with the Dees.

 

Edited August 21, 20222 yr by Redleg

  On 20/08/2022 at 22:42, Redleg said:

The dream scenario:

Number 5 called up to get his premiership medallion, screams into the microphone        “ I am staying”.

Next day in the news of Dees back to back flags, an article on Jack signing a 7 year deal with the Dees.

 

I am pretty sure number 5 is well and truly locked already 😉

The media simply don't know what he's doing. Some reliable posters here have said he's going for personal reasons. We've been looking at Grundy. I'm still confident he stays. That's likely part my optimistic nature and part "why the [censored] would you leave atm". He's going to be a generational talent, yes we'll get good compo for him to soften the blow. Yes he's not going to a big Vic club so we can largely ignore his progression into superstar. Yes we'll enjoy the new drat picks we get. However to me, he's a Melbourne player and I love watching him play and his general demeanour. He seems like a ripping young bloke. If he does leave I'll wish him well and boo him in total jest when we play Freo. I will say the club has done us all proud with the way it has handled the whole thing, likewise with Yze. We've become a Professional Club and we're about to go back to back and Jackson will play a key role in that.

  On 20/08/2022 at 22:53, Roost it far said:

The media simply don't know what he's doing. Some reliable posters here have said he's going for personal reasons. We've been looking at Grundy. I'm still confident he stays. That's likely part my optimistic nature and part "why the [censored] would you leave atm". He's going to be a generational talent, yes we'll get good compo for him to soften the blow. Yes he's not going to a big Vic club so we can largely ignore his progression into superstar. Yes we'll enjoy the new drat picks we get. However to me, he's a Melbourne player and I love watching him play and his general demeanour. He seems like a ripping young bloke. If he does leave I'll wish him well and boo him in total jest when we play Freo. I will say the club has done us all proud with the way it has handled the whole thing, likewise with Yze. We've become a Professional Club and we're about to go back to back and Jackson will play a key role in that.

Leaving the personal and family considerations aside, just from a career point of view. Melbourne surely is more appealing than any of the two Perth sides.

Our window is truly open while Freo still needs to maintain this form (like Melbourne 2018).

Develop under the wing of Max Gawn and then sucede him as the perennial star ruck.

If you remove the family stuff it's truly mind boggling he's even entertaining leaving Melbourne. The money would come in due time anyway.

We can all speculate, but he clearly hasn't decided.

I think a flag this year would probably tilt his thinking towards staying, but only signing on for another 2 years.

He is playing himself into some serious form over the past weeks when I and many were starting to doubt if his head was still in the game. He's so extremely valuable and will be the difference in going back to back this year. He's had 3 full years to build strong relationships within our playing group and I think it will be strong enough for him to want to stay, just my opinion though.

  On 20/08/2022 at 23:35, Winners at last said:

We can all speculate, but he clearly hasn't decided.

I think a flag this year would probably tilt his thinking towards staying, but only signing on for another 2 years.

I actually think it will have the opposite effect. If he leaves winning 2 flags, what more could he give to the MFC. He may feel like he has unfinished business with us if we don’t win it.

If I had a choice, I’d rather he leave after winning his second flag, than if he stayed and we didn’t.

I just don’t think there is anything worth worrying about here. We have controlled everything we can control:

- positive environment

- teammates and friends that clearly love and care for him

- mentor to help him be the best he can be

- fitness staff helping him get to elite fitness

- a solid offer and likely more in the future

- a successful team with a wide open premiership window

Once you have controlled all that’s in your hands, all you can do is let it play out. If he still wants to leave we are clearly already working in plan b. So be it.

  On 21/08/2022 at 01:34, FlashInThePan said:

I just don’t think there is anything worth worrying about here. We have controlled everything we can control:

- positive environment

- teammates and friends that clearly love and care for him

- mentor to help him be the best he can be

- fitness staff helping him get to elite fitness

- a solid offer and likely more in the future

- a successful team with a wide open premiership window

Once you have controlled all that’s in your hands, all you can do is let it play out. If he still wants to leave we are clearly already working in plan b. So be it.

That's it, done everything we can. What will be will be. 

If he does leave he going about it the right way in terms of continuing to put in and giving his all. And finding form at the perfect time 

For those that reckon the draft picks will compensate for his loss (I’ve been tempted too). I recall one instance on Friday night where he took the ball out of the ruck, ran 10 or so metres before lowering the eyes and hitting brown on the lead. There isn’t another ruckman in the comp that does that never mind a 20 year old ruckman. A freak of nature.

control the controllables as @FlashInThePan pointed out and hopefully that’s enough to overcome his home sickness 

So what sort of compensation can the dockers give us given their position on the ladder.

  On 21/08/2022 at 01:59, Deecisive said:

So what sort of compensation can the dockers give us given their position on the ladder.

Nothing adequate without giving up a Top 22 player in addition to any picks and even then we still probably lose. 

He must be thinking hard on it now after us looking a good chance at another flag. If he stays for 3 more years he could go home as a 3 time premiership player and still be 23!

Yeah I'd be good with having him till then. Anything from now on is a bonus. 

  On 20/08/2022 at 22:46, ElDiablo14 said:

I am pretty sure number 5 is well and truly locked already 😉

Sorry that was meant to be number 6.

  On 20/08/2022 at 22:42, Redleg said:

The dream scenario:

Number 5 called up to get his premiership medallion, screams into the microphone        “ I am staying”.

Next day in the news of Dees back to back flags, an article on Jack signing a 7 year deal with the Dees.

 

We can only dream