The entomology of arrogant is the Latin 'arrogare'. It means ‘claiming for oneself’. Many people are perceived to be arrogant, for example, by claiming for themselves excessive knowledge or wisdom that is not theirs to claim. 

Most premierships are won with the assistance of external influences. I have written about this elsewhere on Demonland. Recent examples include West Coast (basically granted a state side in the 1990s), Brisbane (picked the eyes out of Fitzroy), Hawthorn (tanked) and Geelong (father/son before the rules were changed).

We shouldn’t forget that we were given a hand-up in 2013 by the AFL when we had shot-off both our feet. We didn't get here totally under our own steam. Arrogance would be thinking we did. 
 

Edited October 6, 20213 yr by Queanbeyan Demon
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13 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Good thread BoBo.  I'm struggling a bit with this myself with respects to how to get the ballance right and how to go about it.

I've always thought we have had some gun players on our list, some of which have been somewhat underrated until now.  Also thought we'd have the potential in our team to go on and win the big one at some point.  If I had expressed these things in any way to supporters of other clubs in the past, I think they would have just been dismissive, felt sorry for me to be one of those poor Melbourne supporters and not seen it as a sign of arrogance.  But I feel like now that we have actually had the sucess, I might need to tone down some of that at risk of being seen to be arrogant.

 The other dimension to this is the expression of celebrating the sucess that we've just had.  Again, I feel as if because of our torrid history, we have been forgiven for any over the top celebrations and I've certainly not held back on any public celebration of our premiership.

I guess it's about walking that fine line of being proud, happy and celebrating sucess without rubbing others faces in it and putting them down.

I think we should be all proud of the way the club and its supporters have behaved over the last week or so, including the ridiculous spout with the Bulldogs over “that” song. I think we have generally remain humble but proud. Whilst this may have had something to do with the action occurring 2k km away in Perth, we celebrated for a week, but strictly down to business when the draft was in sight bringing off  some  of the more deft drafting moves just in the last week. 
 

Imagine how that would contrast with a Geelong, Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon or West Coast in the same situation?

Success has been been fantastic but I seriously doubt anyone will forget the tough years.  Season 2013 scarred me for life 😂

I don't care whether supporters are arrogant so long as the players don't become arrogant and complacent about their position in the team and the AFL.

I like to assure friends who follow other teams that I won't be like the smug Richmond pseudo - supporters willing to hand out unsolicited advice on how their team can improve. I then hand out unsolicited advice.

And I offer additional advice for Geelong supporters.

Interesting thread, and so timely.  I'm currently being trolled by Bulldogs supporters on Twitter calling me arrogant after I simply asked the question - "what's the deal? It's a song...." Apparently Bulldogs are accusing Melbourne players of mocking them after singing the same song Bulldogs sang when they got on the [censored] after the prelim....  I'm questioning myself whether I'm showing arrogance by wondering if they're being a bit precious over a song....

Edited October 6, 20213 yr by Katrina Dee Fan
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50 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

The entomology of arrogant

What have insects got to do with all this?  

20 minutes ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

Interesting thread, and so timely.  I'm currently being trolled by Bulldogs supporters on Twitter calling me arrogant after I simply asked the question - "what's the deal? It's a song...." Apparently Bulldogs are accusing Melbourne players of mocking them after singing the same song Bulldogs sang when they got on the [censored] after the prelim....  I'm questioning myself whether I'm showing arrogance by wondering if they're being a bit precious over a song....

Katrina, just a couple of things:

1. From my limited observations, Twitter appears to be where rational debate goes to die

2. Therefore, they can 'suffer in their jocks' (that would be my rationale response)

3. I'm guessing, based on your concern, that you are far from an arrogant supporter. And I'm sure it was entirely coincidental that we sang the same song 😏. But maybe politely suggest that they were gifted the  2016 Grand Final anyway by some of the more lop - sided umpiring ever seen. So be thankful you unwashed plebs. That should assist the trolls.

Edited October 6, 20213 yr by Return to Glory

I remember when we were flogging the Hawks one day a supporter turned to me and said 'You realise that is not Hawthorn out there today'.  Thats arrogance. (Who the heck were we playing).

I follow Melbourne  and dont barrack against other teams.  It must be said though that we need to show respect to the MFC because it is as plain as day they are the best team at the moment by 12 goals.  it is a fact.

 

18 minutes ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

Interesting thread, and so timely.  I'm currently being trolled by Bulldogs supporters on Twitter calling me arrogant after I simply asked the question - "what's the deal? It's a song...." Apparently Bulldogs are accusing Melbourne players of mocking them after singing the same song Bulldogs sang when they got on the [censored] after the prelim....  I'm questioning myself whether I'm showing arrogance by wondering if they're being a bit precious over a song....

How would they feel if we sang this....

Sons of the MCG

Red and Blue

We come out scorching

Demons through and through......

14 hours ago, Cassiew said:

Every time I argue with an opposition fan (unless they’re St Kilda) I know it’s inevitably going to come down to “when was the last time Melbourne won a premiership?” I’m really curious to see what they’re final argument will be now

"You wouldn't even have a club if it wasn't for Hawthorn" seems to be quite prominent again lately.

Also..  "you have been rewarded for mediocrity - any team could have won it with all those first round draft picks"

Their tears are delicious!  🤣

20 minutes ago, Return to Glory said:

Katrina, just a couple of things:

1. From my limited observations, Twitter appears to be where rational debate goes to die

2. Therefore, they can 'suffer in their jocks' (that would be my rationale response)

3. I'm guessing, based on your concern, that you are far from an arrogant supporter. And I'm sure it was entirely coincidental that we sang the same song 😏. But maybe politely suggest that they were gifted the  2016 Grand Final anyway by some of the more lop - sided umpiring ever seen. So be thankful you unwashed plebs. That should assist the trolls.

Thank you, that does actually help :). I guess I questioned myself when I replied to one of them "you know if I was a Bulldogs supporter I'd be angrier that my team got on the beers two weeks early, than a winning side singing a song.  Perhaps if Bulldogs didn't celebrate so hard after the prelim they wouldn't have lost by 74 points...."

13 minutes ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

Thank you, that does actually help :). I guess I questioned myself when I replied to one of them "you know if I was a Bulldogs supporter I'd be angrier that my team got on the beers two weeks early, than a winning side singing a song.  Perhaps if Bulldogs didn't celebrate so hard after the prelim they wouldn't have lost by 74 points...."

I would have no problem with that post. I wouldn't be using big words with them however. i.e. celebrate

2 hours ago, JTR said:

Also..  "you have been rewarded for mediocrity - any team could have won it with all those first round draft picks"

Their tears are delicious!  🤣

*cough* GWS *cough*

16 hours ago, rpfc said:

They’ll hate us soon and we will be ‘arrogant’ by default of reality.

Act how you want to act. 

Judging Dees fans for ‘overstepping’ is such a waste of energy.

We were a laughing stock, and now when we laugh, it is with the carcass of a foe splayed out in the rear view. 

You be you, Dees fans.

I don't know if this has happened to any fellow Demons over the years your opinion in football or sport type  conversations is generally overlooked and smirked at because you followed a crap footy team.

Well not anymore we are the Masters of the Football Universe, Master of the MCG, We brought Football back home.

Looking forward to a bit of cheeky banter with Collingwood, Essendon, Richmond, Hawthorn and Carlton supporters actually!

They can dish it out, but they can't cop it!

I will have to be careful just in case I get bashed though!

Edited October 7, 20213 yr by Supreme_Demon

3 hours ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

I'm questioning myself whether I'm showing arrogance by wondering if they're being a bit precious over a song....

It's not an either/or proposition. But I think we can agree they are precious, snowflakey, bad losers and umpires' pets who got demolished in a GF and will be forever remembered for being on the wrong end of "that 10 minutes of football". Bit of a shame when you think about it.

 

3 hours ago, Jontee said:

I remember when we were flogging the Hawks one day a supporter turned to me and said 'You realise that is not Hawthorn out there today'. 

"Yes, word got around. Your boys were too scared to show up. That's why we're forced to beat up on those second rate no-hopers out there."

ALTERNATE RETORT: "Yes it [censored] is. And we're walloping them! NOW BURY THEM DEMONS!!!"

 

3 hours ago, Jontee said:

How would they feel if we sang this....

Sons of the MCG

Red and Blue

We come out scorching

Demons through and through......

Impossible to know. Can we try it and find out?

 

3 hours ago, JTR said:

"You wouldn't even have a club if it wasn't for Hawthorn" seems to be quite prominent again lately.

Also..  "you have been rewarded for mediocrity - any team could have won it with all those first round draft picks"

"It's awful, winning a premiership on the back of lots of first round draft picks. You should try it some time. Oh, that's right ... YOU ALREADY DID!"

 

 

And the old catch-all retort for any insult, barb, taunt, etc, to the winners: "Are you trying to make me feel good?"

Yet another Post Deliverance thread that needs a big 'Love Youse All' button 👍

I like (at least I think I do - it's more than 2 years (lifetimes?) ago now...) to sit just behind the Demon Army and its followers. I'm looking forward to taking my 'arrogance cue' from them in Round 1 2020.

I will, of course, need to temper it as befits my elderly station...

16 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

“Look at the Swill…”

I don’t have a lot of time for arrogant supporters of successful sporting teams. I don’t see my contribution of a couple of hundred bucks a year to the club as a reason to act like I’m winning the hard ball gets or making tactical, match-winning decisions behind play. I’m too firmly entrenched in reality to know that I have absolutely nothing to feel personally responsible for with regards to the Demon’s success, and I am totally and utterly fine with that. 
 

However……

A few months ago I was looking around a local second-hand furniture place where the guy in charge also makes small pieces of furniture. I mentioned I liked a particular style of shelf he had, to which he told me to get the measurements to him and he’d whip one up for me. I also noticed quite a lot of Western Bulldogs paraphernalia about the place. 
 

Anyway, I emailed him a few weeks ago with a pleasant greeting and detailed my request, complete with the measurements. No reply for a week. I emailed again asking if he received my previous email, and whether he thought it would be a possibility. A few days later he responded saying words to the effect of “I haven’t forgotten. Just too busy right now.” I wrote back saying “No worries. But do you mean too busy to make the shelf or to do a quote? Sorry, I’m confused. If you don’t have time to make the shelf over the next few weeks I totally understand, but it would be good to know so I can figure out another option”. To which he wrote back “What part of “too busy” don’t you understand?”

Whoaaa….k. 
 

I was so taken back by the dude’s response that I didn’t respond myself. Plus I thought not responding and letting him sit in his own guilt (if it existed) was a fitting punishment. This was all in the week leading up to the GF.

On the Monday after the GF I sent him an email that simply said “Carn the Demons, [censored]!!”

 

 

Edited October 7, 20213 yr by Mel Bourne

Goodwin has shown the way by instilling respect and humility in the team. 

Supporters should follow suit. 

There is never a good reason to be arrogant. 

And this includes talking of dynasty. There is nothing certain in this world. Each year teams start all over again. 

8 hours ago, Demonstone said:

What have insects got to do with all this?  

i thought his idea had legs.

5 hours ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

I don't know if this has happened to any fellow Demons over the years your opinion in football or sport type  conversations is generally overlooked and smirked at because you followed a crap footy team.

Well not anymore we are the Masters of the Football Universe, Master of the MCG, We brought Football back home.

We can all start running sports seminar’s now. Experts, all of us! 

Dont think we need to be arrogant yet.

At the very least we can wear our club gear with real pride and know that people dont feel sorry for us any more.

Arrogance can come with flag 15 in 2023.