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30 minutes ago, buck_nekkid said:

Thought they flew together or interfered with each other too much.  When they get that sorted, the front end will be much better.

Yea looked unorganised at times.

Theres a lot of firepower in that line up and when it clicks will be devastating. Exciting stuff.im loving Frittas work as much as Toms.

I feel so bad being so critical of Tmac given that we would have dropped a few games without him. He looks as good as hes ever been.

Just dont know how it will pan out when Jacksons ready.

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7 hours ago, A F said:

Yep, where are all the comments on Lever's game? Easily in our top 4  or 5 for mine. May was good and got all the accolades, but did have 3 kicked on him despite blanketing McKay early. 

Yep, guilty. Having watched the replay Lever was freaking amazing. What we also don't mention is how courageous he is dropping back into the hole and putting himself into places where the contest is hottest.

Just on May. McKay kicked one on Hibberd after May zoned off choosing to tackle Cripps.

Another goal came from a dodgy free. In the forward 50 when May was on McKay, the latter had no more than four touches which is pretty good given the Blues target him often. 

As a comparison, TMac had eight score involvements on the so called form full back of the comp (Weitering).

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8 hours ago, FritschyBusiness said:

How good is Trent Rivers

He was superb yesterday. I thought he started the season slowly, but his last month has been excellent. One of my favourites. How often does he take a clean, sliding defensive mark in the wet? So cool. He did it against Richmond, Sydney and Carlton. Star. Another Jason Taylor special.

7 hours ago, JimmyGadson said:

Brayshaw's skill level by foot and lazy handballing is killing me. 

Doesn't matter how good he's been positional speaking if he keeps coughing up the ball to oppo. 

Chocco would be pulling his hair out at some of Gus's execution.

Wish players would really value their disposals more. 

All well and good watching from TV mate, but if you're not at the games, you really have little idea how well Gus is defending and how important that is. Sure, he needs to tidy up his disposals, but his defending is top shelf at the minute.

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9 hours ago, JimmyGadson said:

Oath. 

I couldn't believe BT. 

I've never like his commentary but yesterday was an all time low. 

It was a disgrace. 

Don't let it bother you. Any way to dampen expectations is more than welcome, IMO. BT is tongue in cheek. Let the results speak for themselves.

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2 hours ago, Superunknown said:

Technically you could restrict a team and mete out a thrashing. Eg 100-40 etc.

I'd love to see it, and Christ knows we owe a few teams, but I think genuine thrashings only really happen these days when one team is badly off. I noticed that in 2019, Richmond had a massive win against GC, but other than that their next biggest margin was a regulation 7 goal win against us. No doubt we'll hit a team having an off day at some stage this year and pile on a big win.

2 hours ago, Rascability said:

Seems like BT thought acting bored and not giving the Dees any credit was funny?

If he was genuinely bored how is this guy still getting paid to commentate. If I was his boss id be furious. 

I'll join in the anti-BT chorus. It's not even the try-hard funny man charade that does it for me - it's the fact that he knows absolutely nothing about modern footy. The other week Darcy had to explain to him what an intercept mark was - he wasn't even playing the fool, he genuinely didn't know. The entire premise of modern game plans and he can't even grasp the most basic elements of it. It's excruciating. 

On another note, how good was James Brayshaw calling how lucky Lever was to not be penalised for HTB when he just managed to get boot to ball in a tackle - thanks to this weeks relaxed interpretation of the rule he reckoned. In 150 years of footy, I'm yet to see a player get pinged for HTB when they get a kick away. 

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1 hour ago, leave it to deever said:

I appreciate Oliver getting a lot of love this week as he was a prime mover in yesterdays win and many others

Tmac , Trac  Gawn and May and Salem have been major contributors and rightly praised. And Kozzie is the new glamour player.

But Ed Langdon has not missed a beat and been a major player in every single game this year.

He does so much. I know hes appreciated here but I dont think the media has picked up how vital he has been to our nine wins in a row.

You and In are on the same page Leave it... I have made two posts about Langdon recently although they didnt seem to get much response. Here was one on May 9th.

" FWIW, I feel all the good defensive work is effective because of a most important link in the chain - Langdon.  His hard running to help out in defence or to create space and options on the wing is critical and is what translates the great defence into something.

If he were out of the side I would worry that we would be getting out of trouble less often and the ball could easily be rebounding back putting immense pressure on our backs who have worked so hard to clear it. Can you imagine any replacement doing what he does. He means so much to this team."

 

 

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My two cents -

What's fantastic:

Being 9-0. 

What's to work on:

I felt the decision making / gameplan (not sure which of the two it was) yesterday had a lot of room for improvement. Absolutely ******* fantastic work from the team and the coaches in many, many respects this year, of that there is no doubt. But I feel, yesterday, we, to a degree, got out of jail against an average side by virtue of the fact that we have many skilled (and super-conditioned) footballers coming into their prime. Let's make a slight course correction and make sure we don't get away from some of the fantastic decision-making/gameplan stuff from earlier in the year re: lowering the eyes when heading into 50 and what not, and not head back towards something like Round 1 2012, against Brisbane, where we just continued to bomb it in to no avail or do blind kicks into space (when there are better options) to get out of trouble. Just because we now have a couple of experienced talls around the ground (and inside forward 50) who can get us out of trouble when need be doesn't mean we should continue to entertain that rush of blood to the head, and I would hope the team is led well enough that nabbing the four points doesn't just reinforce the behaviour. A premiership is the goal and I feel that, if we don't have Lever and May yesterday, we lose by 20 points to a middle-of-the-road team. 

So, let's nip the bad habits in the bud, and go onwards and upwards.

Go Dees.

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Only now getting the chance to watch the replay and I can see why so many are talking about BT. Between him and James Brayshaw I don't know who is the bigger bellend. 

Was lucky enough to meet Kelly O'Donnell, Peter (Max) Maynard and Mark Weideman in the bar during the game (a friend of a friend knows them). Not withstanding the horse trading with Adelaide, Rick Lever had pretty much agreed to come to us months before it could actually be announced. It's common knowledge of course that we were into him before he was initially drafted. As for Weids there is little chance he'd end up at Collingwood even if he did want out at seasons end. Their salary cap is still a complete mess apparently. His dad was wearing a Melbourne scarf by the way.  

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43 minutes ago, Lloyd said:

My two cents -

What's fantastic:

Being 9-0. 

What's to work on:

I felt the decision making / gameplan (not sure which of the two it was) yesterday had a lot of room for improvement. Absolutely ******* fantastic work from the team and the coaches in many, many respects this year, of that there is no doubt. But I feel, yesterday, we, to a degree, got out of jail against an average side by virtue of the fact that we have many skilled (and super-conditioned) footballers coming into their prime. Let's make a slight course correction and make sure we don't get away from some of the fantastic decision-making/gameplan stuff from earlier in the year re: lowering the eyes when heading into 50 and what not, and not head back towards something like Round 1 2012, against Brisbane, where we just continued to bomb it in to no avail or do blind kicks into space (when there are better options) to get out of trouble. Just because we now have a couple of experienced talls around the ground (and inside forward 50) who can get us out of trouble when need be doesn't mean we should continue to entertain that rush of blood to the head, and I would hope the team is led well enough that nabbing the four points doesn't just reinforce the behaviour. A premiership is the goal and I feel that, if we don't have Lever and May yesterday, we lose by 20 points to a middle-of-the-road team. 

So, let's nip the bad habits in the bud, and go onwards and upwards.

Go Dees.

A good two cents worth it is Lloyd and welcome. 

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5 hours ago, Nasher said:

I'd settle for that too, but with the passage of time, I've devalued 186. The whole club just laid down that day because of the incompetent meddling of the board. I don't think it was reflective of where we were at, at the time. It was an anomaly. A complete own goal.

I rate the 148 point loss against Essendon in round 2, 2013 as a far more soul destroying loss. The front running, injecting mongrels absolutely humiliated us. It was a clear and obvious signal that we were clearly in a lot of trouble. Dean Terlich made his debut. Tom Gillies played his second and last MFC game. It gives me nightmares thinking about it.

Hi Nasher. I was still living in Canterbury, Kent at that time and was over here on holiday for a month. I went to that game and felt the same way as you did that night. 

The funny thing is that about three months later I was doing the graveyard shift with another guy at the Samaritans (it's a suicide hotline) where I volunteered. During a lull in calls he started to tell me about his recent trip to NZ for his daughter's wedding and that he'd stopped into Melbourne on the way home, spending a week or so here. It turned out he had also been at that same game and I spent the rest of the shift apologising to him for the MFC ruining his trip. 

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5 hours ago, Nasher said:

I'd settle for that too, but with the passage of time, I've devalued 186. The whole club just laid down that day because of the incompetent meddling of the board. I don't think it was reflective of where we were at, at the time. It was an anomaly. A complete own goal.

I rate the 148 point loss against Essendon in round 2, 2013 as a far more soul destroying loss. The front running, injecting mongrels absolutely humiliated us. It was a clear and obvious signal that we were clearly in a lot of trouble. Dean Terlich made his debut. Tom Gillies played his second and last MFC game. It gives me nightmares thinking about it.

I was at both matches. 186 is a real struggle for me, but I've moved on from the 148 loss because I knew Neeld had no idea what he was doing, even if it was Round 2 and that he'd be gone soon. We'd also had all of 2012 under Neeld by then. The 2008-2009 beatings we took from teams like Hawthorn were easier to take given my mentality was play for draft picks (I know, I know), but by 2011 I was thinking we needed to rise and in 2010 we'd shown we were on the way. Or so I thought...

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7 minutes ago, A F said:

I was at both matches. 186 is a real struggle for me, but I've moved on from the 148 loss because I knew Neeld had no idea what he was doing, even if it was Round 2 and that he'd be gone soon. We'd also had all of 2012 under Neeld by then. The 2008-2009 beatings we took from teams like Hawthorn were easier to take given my mentality was play for draft picks (I know, I know), but by 2011 I was thinking we needed to rise and in 2010 we'd shown we were on the way. Or so I thought...

Mate, you need to channel Ed. Hasn’t witnessed anything like you’re suggesting. We don’t want to scare off our next generation of supporters

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33 minutes ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Only now getting the chance to watch the replay and I can see why so many are talking about BT. Between him and James Brayshaw I don't know who is the bigger bellend. 

Was lucky enough to meet Kelly O'Donnell, Peter (Max) Maynard and Mark Weideman in the bar during the game (a friend of a friend knows them). Not withstanding the horse trading with Adelaide, Rick Lever had pretty much agreed to come to us months before it could actually be announced. It's common knowledge of course that we were into him before he was initially drafted. As for Weids there is little chance he'd end up at Collingwood even if he did want out at seasons end. Their salary cap is still a complete mess apparently. His dad was wearing a Melbourne scarf by the way.  

Did Mark mention anything in regards to Sam potentially looking at other options?

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3 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Did Mark mention anything in regards to Sam potentially looking at other options?

Hi there Dazzle. No, the talk about Sam took place whilst he was chatting at another table from memory. The consensus being that they'd be disappointed if he didn't stick around for at least another year to see if he can establish himself in the senior team. Particularly with the work the club have put into his development. 

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9 hours ago, Watson11 said:

You’re suggesting we go back to our inside 50 plan from 2018-2019 which was so frustrating to watch, and resulted in a dreadful inside 50 to scoring conversion rate (against top 8 teams was 30% in 2018). We were also one of the easiest teams to score against on the rebound.

Against Carlton we scored from 59% of our inside 50 entries.  Sure the 1.7 in the last was not great but we are so much less predictable, its really difficult for opponents to get the ball out let alone score from a rebound, and is part of the structural change that is working. The change had to be due to the new coaches (and Richo) explaining to Goodwin why the strategy he stuck to for so long was garbage and so easily pulled apart by good teams. Full credit to Goodwin for listening to the logic and implementing it.

I don't think that's what i was suggesting at all but never mind

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I was keeping a close eye on Weid. Marked OK and worked hard but his goal kicking still is unacceptable for a key forward. Only a few opportunities but on those few he couldn’t make the distance once and missed a relatively easy shot for goal. He can’t expect to only kick goals from 30 metres out in front or a Joe the goose. Lacks the goal smarts of BBB or Tmac. Last couple of seasons he’s also missed too many pressure shots that needed to be nailed.

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12 minutes ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Hi there Dazzle. No, the talk about Sam took place whilst he was chatting at another table from memory. The consensus being that they'd be disappointed if he didn't stick around for at least another year to see if he can establish himself in the senior team. Particularly with the work the club have put into his development. 

Goody on 365 just now stated he was very confident that the Weid will be with us next year. Sounded pretty definitive about it. Don't think the Weid is going anywhere soon.

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5 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Can we talk about Rivers just casually killing it in the best backline in the competition at 19 years of age? 

Mate he's unreal. I've been really big on him the moment he was drafted.

Jason Taylor's words ring loudly in my ear when we picked up Riv..

"He's an MCG player mate" 

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4 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

Goody on 365 just now stated he was very confident that the Weid will be with us next year. Sounded pretty definitive about it. Don't think the Weid is going anywhere soon.

That's good to hear BDA. I'm watching the first half of yesterday's game on Kayo before On The Couch starts so didn't see 360. I do remember Goody once saying that Hoges was 'a Melbourne person' as well though just before we facilitated his move back west. 

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1 minute ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

I do remember Goody once saying that Hoges was 'a Melbourne person' as well though just before we facilitated his move back west.

True

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29 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Can we talk about Rivers just casually killing it in the best backline in the competition at 19 years of age? 

Rivers is just quietly going about his business and flying under the radar. LJ and Pickett are getting all the plaudits but he just does everything that's asked of him and more every week.

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Just now, rpfc said:

Daniher said Chris Lamb was a ten year full back and then delisted him a few months later.

Christ that’s a blast from the past. 
We are so old. 

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