On 08/10/2020 at 01:50, Diamond_Jim said:

Scraping into the 8 in 2021 is also a fail. We need a strong start to the season and we need to challenge for the top 4for the whole season.. I'll be content with position 5 or 6 but not scraping in. Needless to say we have to perform well against the top teams

 

I completely agree, and i think we have the list to be a top 6 team in 2021, no question. i question if we have a senior coach, FB department capable of getting consistent enough performances.

i'd argue if we're not sitting firmly in the top 8 come mid season next year regardless of fixture, Simon Goodwin needs to go. 

Personally i'd prefer to see him go now, i think there are options in the marketplace who the majority of supporters would have more confidence in for 2021. 

  On 08/10/2020 at 00:00, Demons11 said:

I agree with you but I don’t think Saad is worth a top 10 pick.   I think you’ll find Carlton will split the pick or give next years 1st rounder and hoping they improve.  

In this draft he well might be worth it. Pick 7 is probably more likely going to be 12 or 13.

I don't rate Saad as one of the football elite, but elite players are also going for multiple first round picks too. I don't think pick 7 is paying overs... Losing a player that has essentially featured in the top 3 of your B&F every year he has played isn't insignificant.

.... the issue won't be what Carlton offer, it's that Dodoro will not accept pick 7 IMO.

  On 08/10/2020 at 01:21, Patches O’houlihan said:

I don't wanna be "that guy" but i can't help but feel like this could be us in 12 months time if we don't improve in 2021. 

i feel like there are enough players a bit concerned about our direction now that another year without finals we could be facing some players wanting to leave

No doubt if we don’t improve things could go downhill fast. The bombers though have lost the faith of their group from the drugs cheating and have lost their culture. 

So although we could lose a couple if we don’t improve next year we would still be in a better position than the bombers. We have a lot more youth coming through and havent traded in culture killers like Stringer

Essendon aren't in as much trouble as North, but they a pretty close.  Their core group are getting on, don't really have any young players to be overly excited by.  Saad and Daniher are actually doing them a favour, they will get to add first round picks to their list, get them playing with some senior players around them, bank some Salary Cap or have a red hot crack at Jeremy Cameron.

If the Dons could walk away from Trade week with Cameron, 3 first round draft picks and Ben Brown, you would be pretty happy

  On 08/10/2020 at 03:37, Ouch! said:

In this draft he well might be worth it. Pick 7 is probably more likely going to be 12 or 13.

I don't rate Saad as one of the football elite, but elite players are also going for multiple first round picks too. I don't think pick 7 is paying overs... Losing a player that has essentially featured in the top 3 of your B&F every year he has played isn't insignificant.

.... the issue won't be what Carlton offer, it's that Dodoro will not accept pick 7 IMO.

I don’t think the pick will slip that far.  The bulldogs next gen player will be get bid on and maybe 1 other.   The Daniher compo may only be an end of 1st rounder but could be 7, so at worst I’d say pick 10.  I think Carlton will trade their pick to Geelong who have 2 1st rounder which will be around the 15-18 mark.  Essendon will then receive 1 of these 

  On 07/10/2020 at 08:41, Sir Why You Little said:

7 for Danniher is ridiculous 

They will get end of first round at best, is not going on huge money, with his injury history I think he will only get a 3 year contract, the best thing that could happen is the Don's match his offer, then he nominates for the draft.

I'm really enjoying this thread.

Now if only we could add a drug scandal or covid breach!

  On 08/10/2020 at 03:54, Demons11 said:

I don’t think the pick will slip that far.  The bulldogs next gen player will be get bid on and maybe 1 other.   The Daniher compo may only be an end of 1st rounder but could be 7, so at worst I’d say pick 10.  I think Carlton will trade their pick to Geelong who have 2 1st rounder which will be around the 15-18 mark.  Essendon will then receive 1 of these 

Fairly certain Sydney has 2 top end academy players, Dogs have Ugle, then Port, Kangas and even the Pies have players that are looking likely first round players... That said, given the lack of under 18 comps, it feels like it could be a bit of a chook raffle.

  On 08/10/2020 at 03:57, don't make me angry said:

They will get end of first round at best, is not going on huge money, with his injury history I think he will only get a 3 year contract, the best thing that could happen is the Don's match his offer, then he nominates for the draft.

Wait and see. Brisvegas would be mad to offer 7 for a Player who a) wants to leave and has for 2 years b) has hardly played a game in 2 year because of chronic injury. 
With Smaller lists next year Brisvegas have to play this very carefully. Daniher is no certainty to be match fit

  On 08/10/2020 at 05:36, Sir Why You Little said:

Wait and see. Brisvegas would be mad to offer 7 for a Player who a) wants to leave and has for 2 years b) has hardly played a game in 2 year because of chronic injury. 
With Smaller lists next year Brisvegas have to play this very carefully. Daniher is no certainty to be match fit

bears don't have pick 7 to offer

daniher is a free agent - either the deal the bears are offering is enough to get the peptides compo in that vicinity or they're likely to match and force a trade

suffice to say, they're getting nothing close to what sydney offered last year

  On 07/10/2020 at 10:05, george_on_the_outer said:

If Fantasia, Daniher and Saad go, then with compensation picks and traded picks , you can guarantee that our first pick (23) has dropped further.

This is exactly why we traded out of this draft to get Pickett last year.

One could say very well done by Mahony & co.

  On 07/10/2020 at 22:40, Cards13 said:

same same! My old man got a ticket in the posh section with his mates, I got a ticket on my own and was stuck next a racist Bombers f log. He was even racist to Bombers players. He was politely told to leave after the first qrt and graciously did so. Made the day even worse but then the arrogance of them during and since the drug saga just annoys me so much. Where is the medal Jobe?!?!?!?

Was he one of the essendon supporters brawling with each other in the olympic stand?

We were in the ponsford stand second deck.

Will never forgive Long.

Binman has essendon were i had Carlton 

It is no longer a good idea to pity carlton

Schadenfreude to my most hated club

Merrett has one more year to go?

I would be trying to bank picks for next year's draft and the leverage someone out.

The target doesn't need to be Merritt necessarily.

It's all very well saying Bombers will get over-compensated with picks, BUT, just I had hoped, their hubris and reluctance to rebuild means they are openly declaring that they want to get players back in return.  Lol, probably think they'll end up with Curnow.

Quite likely they'll also be trying to grab a superstar marquee la la la player (remember when the Demons were going to be turned around by a hail mary grab at Jonathan Brown? Or, perhaps most precisely relevant, the Judd trade) because that's the kind of decision clubs are pressured to make when impatient rich supporters poke their nose in and insist they know the answer.

So relax, they might get two top ten picks, but then they'll probably trade them all for Jordon De Goey or Josh Kelly on a $6m / 5-year contract.

  On 08/10/2020 at 05:57, whatwhatsaywhat said:

bears don't have pick 7 to offer

daniher is a free agent - either the deal the bears are offering is enough to get the peptides compo in that vicinity or they're likely to match and force a trade

suffice to say, they're getting nothing close to what sydney offered last year

Essendrug lose badly. It was so obvious that last year the deal should have been done

makes me smile ? 

  On 08/10/2020 at 01:14, Marco said:

We only won 3 more games than them and were lucky to hold on and beat them. Just putting things into perspective 

Only 3?

Richmond and West Coast "only" won three more games than us this year. I suppose we're not that far off them, then?

Look, the gloating over Essendon struggling to retain players is understandable. It's not hard to dislike them. But when we're as devoid of recent success as they are, it's a bit dangerous really. Who knows whether we'll be able to retain all our players if we don't start winning finals soon.

  On 08/10/2020 at 07:04, defuture15 said:

Merrett has one more year to go?

I would be trying to bank picks for next year's draft and the leverage someone out.

The target doesn't need to be Merritt necessarily.

Merrett is an RFA next year.

  On 07/10/2020 at 22:38, old dee said:

I see Robo in the Hun this morning suggesting it might be time for Hird to return. How can anyone suggest that the drug cheat coach should ever be back at a club. It beggars belief. 

OMG Thought it was only a matter of time before he got out his pet project, but not this early.?

https://twitter.com/TitusOReily/status/1313679475112964103?s=20

Now Devon Smith might be going. Loving this!

Remember when their supporters said they were going to win the flag around round 5/6 this year?

Schadenfreude at its finest, Absolutely loving watching this club slowly fall apart.

 

Looks like "The Pharmacist" was doing a much better job at holding the Dons list together than he's been credited with...

Lovely to see things coming apart.

 

There's more to this than meets the armpit...

  On 09/10/2020 at 04:19, willmoy said:

There's more to this than meets the armpit crutch...