Sam Frost 7th in Hawks B&F

[dee-tox 4,830]

Thought he had a good season. There were no headless chook runs this season. One-on-one was very good and used the short kick to advantage. He and Sicily combined well. Amazing what proper coaching can do.

[Winter Dan 425]

Reckon they thought Smith wld take over Frosty's spot, but he hasn't come on. I also think Frosty and May weren't getting along, he might have been a bit difficult to coach. 

Disappointed we let him go. He had a great year before he left and his kicking really improved. Thought he was progressively improving as a player.

He played with real aggression and presence, cld play big or small and good lock down. Reading the flight of the ball was a big weakness, kicking was improving. Think we also wanted to move away from running it out of defence and thereby loosing our structure which killed on turnover.

Yet to be seen, but pick 22 or so we got was very good value. It just doesn't make sense now we have a third tall hole. Tomlinson's a project player now, not the answer.

[DeeSpencer 23,509]

3 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

He was coming back from a year out of the game. Brings others into the game.

I’m not saying he’s not a good player but his first half of the year was bog ordinary and have 3 if not 4 mids better. And the point is he finished second in the b+f despite being half the player he was in 2018. So Frost finishing 7th doesn’t mean much 

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,465]

I thought he started the year really well for Hawthorn playing mistake free footy, but slowly got worse as the year and losses went on for Hawthorn.

Our defence is our best unit so it was neither here nor there that he’s no longer with us. Having said that, is Lever that much better than Frost? I think we can say he’s comfortably better than O Mac.

Edited October 1, 2020 by Bring-Back-Powell

[spirit of norm smith 13,462]

10 hours ago, dee-tox said:

Thought he had a good season. There were no headless chook runs this season. One-on-one was very good and used the short kick to advantage. He and Sicily combined well. Amazing what proper coaching can do.

Agree. I watched 4-5 Hawks games and Frost was definitely more composed with the footy. Still good 1 on 1 and his pace was useful.  
 

As an aside Frawley looks done.  He was a battler in 2020. Next year will probably be his finish. 

[The heart beats true 16,488]

Just realised, courtesy of this thread, that Demonland now has a facepalm emoji!

[Youngwilliam 380]

We all understand where Hawks finished on the ladder right?  

[Cranky Franky 1,551]

12 hours ago, Wobbly Bob said:

If going "backwards" is moving from 17th last year to 9th this year, yes it did.

We went forwards this year because we had fewer injuries, because May & Trac stepped up & our recruits did well

[Wobbly Bob 79]

So one minute you say we're going backwards and the next you concede we're going forward.

Sounds like you don't know whether Melbourne or yourself are coming or going.

[Demon trucker 1,786]

23 hours ago, picket fence said:

In my view this result  vindicates the "Blunder" of letting him go when we did. I saw enough of him in HAWKS games to say that his "Percieved"  deficiencies have been eradicated to a greater degree and he played some good solid football. Its interesting to see what coaches that know how to get the best out of players do so. I reckon though, that Sam Frost will continue to improve not dissimilar to Bachar Houli when he went from Essendon to Richmond. If that happens then the blunder in letting him go will be even more pronounced and damning. I  Was disappointed to see him leave Melbourne and even more so now!

Not really it's more about the Hawks list then Frost, was not very good the Hawks are really bad, still have not hit rock bottom yet.

[Demon trucker 1,786]

19 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Terrible mistake to keep OMac getting a game. He was getting to be extremely valuable, our Frosty.

Neither is any good , at least O mac can kick and hit targets, today footy is all about scoring from turnover in the front half, Frost turns it way too much in the back half, which is the oppo forward half you see.

[Big Carl 333]

On 10/1/2020 at 1:35 PM, DeeSpencer said:

5 spots below Mitchell who wouldn’t get a game for us.

I’d still prefer Frosty over Tomlinson, but not crying over split milk 

Tomlinson hasn’t done much to convince.

[old55 21,742]

Match made in heaven. Battler at a battling club.

[Cranky Franky 1,551]

On 10/2/2020 at 11:14 AM, Wobbly Bob said:

So one minute you say we're going backwards and the next you concede we're going forward.

Sounds like you don't know whether Melbourne or yourself are coming or going.

Not sure whether you are actually dumb or just pretending to be dumb so I will keep it simple.

Letting Frost go & keeping Oscar (& recruiting Tomlinson) did not improve our list & cost more $.

The reason our team improved in 2020 was less injuries, key players improving & some clever draft picks.  

[bing181 8,228]

Happy for him to have done "well" at a bottom-4 team like the Hawks. Even happier that the club did the right thing and moved him on.

The issue here that most are overlooking was his inability to take instructions or criticism, or even consistently do what he was supposed to, highlighted by the on-field verbal stoush with Steven May.

[Kent 2,642]

Why you would clear Frost and Keep Smith is the most worrying thing in my mind

Smith will never be a footballer

The only guy who thinks he will is Goodwin whose form on selection is very very poor

[whatwhat say what 19,827]

5 minutes ago, Kent said:

Why you would clear Frost and Keep Smith is the most worrying thing in my mind

Smith will never be a footballer

The only guy who thinks he will is Goodwin whose form on selection is very very poor

cos frost wanted $1.2m over two years

smith costs minimum chips

both not much chop

[Deemania since 56 6,258]

On 10/2/2020 at 12:15 PM, don't make me angry said:

Neither is any good , at least O mac can kick and hit targets, today footy is all about scoring from turnover in the front half, Frost turns it way too much in the back half, which is the oppo forward half you see.

There is no point being a fantastic kick - if you don't have the ball. Similarly, there's no point being where the ball ain't. There's also no point being a backman if you cannot get to your opponent - or any other opponent - in time, staging disappointment at seeing another goal score against your team because you are as slow and non-competitive as a week of Ballarat rain. 

[Lucifers Hero 37,351]

On 10/2/2020 at 9:48 AM, Youngwilliam said:

We all understand where Hawks finished on the ladder right?  

Tell that to all our BnF winners and place getters when we sitting at or near the bottom of the ladder for most of this century.

Sam was voted one of Hawks' three 'Most Valuable Players' by team mates.  That is a pretty good accolade.  He must be doing a lot right.

[chookrat 3,794]

On 10/1/2020 at 1:06 PM, picket fence said:

In my view this result  vindicates the "Blunder" of letting him go when we did. I saw enough of him in HAWKS games to say that his "Percieved"  deficiencies have been eradicated to a greater degree and he played some good solid football. Its interesting to see what coaches that know how to get the best out of players do so. I reckon though, that Sam Frost will continue to improve not dissimilar to Bachar Houli when he went from Essendon to Richmond. If that happens then the blunder in letting him go will be even more pronounced and damning. I  Was disappointed to see him leave Melbourne and even more so now!

Picket Fence, we will only know if letting Frost go was the right move after his, Lever and May's playing careers are over and then would have to guess who we could have drafted with the picks to obtain Lever and May. Prior to bringing in Lever and May our defence was a liability, and is now functioning well but we have spent alot both in picks and $ to get it that way.

Lever hasn't set the world on fire, having been poor in his first season, before his ACL and then missing the better part of last year either recovering or working back to form. This year he has been ok but a fair way off the level expected for what we paid. Lever has at least 5 years of his best footy in front of him and so has plenty of time to prove his value, although we need to see alot more from him next year.

May was unfit and was in and out of the side due to injury last year but has performed at an elite level this year to both shut down the opposition's most damaging forward, both talls and smalls, while using his intercept and kicking to rebound aggressively out of defence. He is getting old I'm hoping he can play at this level for 2-3 years.

While Frost is a decent key defender one on one and can provide some drive, he is nowhere flnear the level of May in these facets and his kicking and decision making is a liability in the way we move the ball aggressively out of defence. He is a role player and all of our role players in defence are skilled ball users. I think Frost simply does not suit our defensive structure.

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[58er 5,676]

On 10/1/2020 at 1:15 PM, CYB said:

I will maintain that letting Frost go, ahead of OMac was a massive oversight that i still cannot understand. Yes he was a turnover king, but so were half the team. The only reason we noticed him more is that half back turnovers whilst in transition usually result in scores against. 

He is a very good lockdown defender, with great closing speed and can play big and tall. Granted he has average to below average disposal efficiency but compared against Omac will beat him in almost every skill attribute. 

Not disposal kick or handpass in though 

[58er 5,676]

19 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Tell that to all our BnF winners and place getters when we sitting at or near the bottom of the ladder for most of this century.

Sam was voted one of Hawks' three 'Most Valuable Players' by team mates.  That is a pretty good accolade.  He must be doing a lot right.

Or the other Hawks were totally hopeless 

[58er 5,676]

On 10/2/2020 at 7:39 PM, Big Carl said:

Tomlinson hasn’t done much to convince.

Underrated and solid as at Giants And will prob never get acclaim as a defender 

We will get good service out of Tommo in defence assisting ruck and occasionally up forward IF Goody is game to make  Changes during matches!

Hsppy with 3rd tall in defence for last half of season no doubt Petty would be better but we need him up forward.

Tommo is your original team man.

Is he an improvement on Oscar ? 
Dies he fit iinto our defence ?

Yes and Yes. 

[Deeko2 699]

Frosty played some good footy for the Hawks this year and well done to him on his accolades there.

He still has quite a few “Frosty” moments in fumbling uncontested marks and double grabbing the ball that made a lot of my Hawks mates nervous as hell which I admit to enjoying.

I really hope he goes well but I don’t miss him at the dees one bit and would much rather Lever/May under the high ball or with the ball in there hands than Frost when the game is on the line.

Also don’t forget, he does have 3 years of extra development on Lever being a little older. Im comfortable in our recruiting in the backline allowing us to let him go.

The chase down tackle of Petrucelle basically sums up his career for mine. Brilliant chase, burys him, gets up as quick as lightning only to kick it on the full.

He’s an excitement machine being both so good and then so bad all within seconds. 

Following the dees is enough stress on my life without him making things worse!!