Trent Rivers Rising Star?

[Engorged Onion 9,453]

3 minutes ago, Demon Jack said:

Sorry folks, all of a sudden, Sholl from the Crows might be more likely to be nominated this week. 24 touches and 2 goals against the Blues.

Perhaps this thread could be renamed "Trent Rivers, Rising Star? Without the Rising Star Nomination".

[titan_uranus 22,725]

Deserves a nomination but there may be another player (e.g. Sholl) who played a better game this week.

The nomination-based system for the Rising Star is dumb. 

Anyway, the recognition is nice but it also doesn't matter much. We've seen plenty of Rising Star winners not go on with it in their careers, and vice versa.

Let's just enjoy what we've got in Rivers, which is a young kid who has the right attitude, clear talent, and has already shown an ability and willingness to improve his game even in his first year.

The all-too-early signs are that our 2019 draft/trade period, bringing us Jackson, Pickett, Rivers and Langdon, has been a success.

[Demon Disciple 11,089]

Rising Star is a weekly award that is bs. The last ‘star’ it captured was Selwood back in 2007.

In it’s 27 years of identifying potentially elite players, imo only 6 have gone on to be worthy of the title (Buckley, Cousins, Goodes, Riewoldt, Mitchell and Selwood).

Not even the likes of Judd / Hodge and Roughead / Franklin get a look in. With Koschitzke and Deledio deemed to be more ‘star’ worthy.

[Demon Dynasty 15,868]

2 hours ago, Engorged Onion said:

If only Rusty! 5 weeks without a drink, on the back of covid restrictions, whilst supporting Melbourne.... thought I'd punish myself!

In all seriousness, it's one of the best decisions I've made in a long time, and I'm a somewhat healthy 40 something year old.

I'm not sure self flagellation is a good idea during lockdown EO!

[Demonland 66,180]

7 hours ago, Demon Jack said:

Sorry folks, all of a sudden, Sholl from the Crows might be more likely to be nominated this week. 24 touches and 2 goals against the Blues.

And check out the reply from the official AFL twitter.  Lock it in Eddie. 

 

[whatwhat say what 19,482]

He had an outstanding game and deserves the nomination 

(But Scholl is clearly going to get it this week)

[Demon trucker 1,778]

18 hours ago, Hell Bent said:

Can't remember us recruiting a kid defender who looks as poised as Riv in his first year. His maturity is beyond his years and has not looked out if place since his first game. 

Has already become one of those players who make you relax when he has the footy. 

The other rivers had  the best frist year ever by a defender, that I have ever seen.

[Demon trucker 1,778]

11 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Deserves a nomination but there may be another player (e.g. Sholl) who played a better game this week.

The nomination-based system for the Rising Star is dumb. 

Anyway, the recognition is nice but it also doesn't matter much. We've seen plenty of Rising Star winners not go on with it in their careers, and vice versa.

Let's just enjoy what we've got in Rivers, which is a young kid who has the right attitude, clear talent, and has already shown an ability and willingness to improve his game even in his first year.

The all-too-early signs are that our 2019 draft/trade period, bringing us Jackson, Pickett, Rivers and Langdon, has been a success.

More often then not the winner has a good career. 

[Demon trucker 1,778]

12 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Deserves a nomination but there may be another player (e.g. Sholl) who played a better game this week.

The nomination-based system for the Rising Star is dumb. 

Anyway, the recognition is nice but it also doesn't matter much. We've seen plenty of Rising Star winners not go on with it in their careers, and vice versa.

Let's just enjoy what we've got in Rivers, which is a young kid who has the right attitude, clear talent, and has already shown an ability and willingness to improve his game even in his first year.

The all-too-early signs are that our 2019 draft/trade period, bringing us Jackson, Pickett, Rivers and Langdon, has been a success.

xx*	xx
2018	Jaidyn Stephenson	Collingwood	Forward/mid	26*	38
2017	Andrew McGrath	Essendon	Defender/mid	41*	6
2016	Callum Mills	Sydney	Defender	55*	2
2015	Jesse Hogan	Melbourne	Key forward	71*	152
2014	Lewis Taylor	Brisbane	Midfielder	107*	85
2013	Jaeger O’Meara	Gold Coast	Midfielder	71*	44
2012	Daniel Talia	Adelaide	Key defender	164*	6
2011	Dyson Heppell	Essendon	Midfielder	151*	55
2010	Daniel Hannebery	Sydney	Midfielder	208*	95
2009	Daniel Rich	Brisbane Lions	Midfielder	183*	102
2008	Rhys Palmer	Fremantle	Midfielder	123	95
2007	Joel Selwood	Geelong	Midfielder	272*	152
2006	Danyle Pearce	Port Adelaide	Midfielder	258	127
2005	Brett Deledio	Richmond	Utility	259*	191
2004	Jared Rivers	Melbourne	Defender	194	18
2003	Sam Mitchell	Hawthorn	Midfielder	329	71
2002	Nick Riewoldt	St Kilda	Key forward	336	718
2001	Justin Koschitzke	St Kilda	Ruck/forward	200	247
2000	Paul Hasleby	Fremantle	Midfielder	208	131
1999	Adam Goodes	Sydney	Utility	372	464
1998	Byron Pickett	North Melbourne	Midfielder/defender	204	177
1997	Michael Wilson	Port Adelaide	Midfielder/defender	192	51
1996	Ben Cousins	West Coast	Midfielder	270	217
1995	Nick Holland	Hawthorn	Key position	179	239
1994	Chris Scott	Brisbane Bears	Defender	215	79
1993	Nathan Buckley	Brisbane Bears	Midfielder

List of winners not many duds

[58er 5,646]

19 hours ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

Has already made a half back flank his own but i reckon he has all the traits to be a seriously good mid as his tank improves. 

I'll go one better as a midfielder and also a get out of jail firward (Kenny Hunter Carlton style).

Also he will be a Melbourne Captain Within 5 years 

No pressure Riv 

[58er 5,646]

18 hours ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

Yup, hes too good to be sitting in a back pocket minding  a player.  Will be a very attacking half back or a winger.

Well if Goody played our best back pocket Riv would be on a HB flank 
( not so sure he wasn't on HB flank last night actually) Reckon Nev was minding Daniels most of the night nearer the goals.

[58er 5,646]

Just now, 58er said:

Well if Goody played our best back pocket Riv would be on a HB flank 
( not so sure he wasn't on HB flank last night actually) Reckon Nev was minding Daniels most of the night nearer the goals.

BTW Locky is our best back pocket!!

[Deeminion 352]

Reckon Rivers had this week in the bag until this Crow lad came along. Oh well there’s always next week and he’s probably still eligible next year. His time will come. He’ll probably end up playing 300 games and be captain so ...

Edited September 13, 2020 by Deeminion

[Kent 2,613]

21 hours ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

Yup, hes too good to be sitting in a back pocket minding  a player.  Will be a very attacking half back or a winger.

Looks like a winger to me

[layzie 29,539]

What a joke

[spirit of norm smith 13,273]

So Rivers kicks the winning goal in a tough elimination finals type game and he misses out.  Surely you have look beyond the pure stats. Even Rivers spoil in the last 15 seconds showed his heart and toughness to match his skill and run.

 Sholl played a good game in a match that counted for nothing really.  

[Vitamin Dee 849]

On 9/13/2020 at 12:04 AM, dazzledavey36 said:

Claimed him as my boy from from the moment we drafted him.

Have been saying that while all the draft hype was on Jackson and Pickett, this is is as good if not better then both. 

Absolute steal who i rated in the top 20.

Spot on. Seems to have a great balance of competitiveness and composure, well beyond his years.

Can see him pushing into the midfield once he develops his tank, and, being really, really damaging. 

 

[In Harmes Way 7,612]

I thought they looked at a data range of games in the recent past, i.e. not just this week in making their decision.

Typical of the AFL to pick and choose. Swing like a rusty barn door on one hinge in the wind. I can see the internal decision making process now - if we give it to the Crows, it builds some hope over the off season that they've got a good up and coming list....blah blah blah   

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

 

[Fanatique Demon 2,409]

Thanks P2J.

[Greendale 327]

Quaynor getting the nomination is a joke. Rivers and Scholl were significantly better than him this week. Also if you're looking at body of work Rivers and Quaynor have basically the same stats this season.

[DubDee 21,226]

Ridiculous decision that makes a mockery of this award. Rivers won us the game. Quaynor got pantsed by his opponent and had 17 touches

wouldnt have minded Sholl getting it but Quaynor???  wtf

[spirit of norm smith 13,273]

What a joke!! Quaynor.  
 

1- Rivers kicks the winning goal in a tough elimination finals type game and he misses out.  Rivers kicks two crucial goals.  Even Rivers spoil in the last 15 seconds showed his heart and toughness to match his skill and run.

2- Quaynor got 17 possessions against Rivers 16 possessions.   Often running past for a handball.  Trent Rivers got 8 contested possessions compared to Quaynor 4 contested. 

3- Sexton kicks 3 goals in the first quarter on Quaynor who gets moved.  Somehow that must have been missed !! 

 

There is bias in the decision. Just my opinion. 

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,370]

I first got upset that Rivers didn’t get nominated.

Then I realised that Lewis Taylor once won the reward and then quickly moved on.

[Cheesy D. Pun 1,762]

They're pretty consistent with the way they judge these.

Form across multiple weeks outweighs one big game. To be honest, I don't mind it.