On 28/05/2020 at 04:23, Collar-Jazz-Knee said:

I'd get rid of a lot of players before Fritsch!

Id get rid of a LOT more and keep Fritta!! just the type of player we need with some serious X factor!

  On 28/05/2020 at 10:27, picket fence said:

Id get rid of a LOT more and keep Fritta!! just the type of player we need with some serious X factor!

Pickett, as an aside,  do we have anyone you might trade,  to a get back into the top 15 of this draft.?

  On 28/05/2020 at 05:45, Diamond_Jim said:

Being brutal about the players listed for contract renewal in 2020 it would seem that only Viney and Fritsch are certainties. Lots of others are probables (some more than others) but there's a few that could be hit by list reductions if they occur.

Big year for quite a few of those on Lucifer's 2020 renewal list.

Yes DJ, lots of probables and highlights how ridiculous it is to have so many professional footballers at 18 clubs.  Hardly elite when you have something like 600-700 players in one code in a country the size of Australia.

Fritsch to me is a good "icing" player, he'll do well when the team's going well but I can't see him grabbing a game and imposing himself on it when things aren't going our way. Maybe just my perception because of his size but I haven't seen it yet.

Not saying get rid of him by any means but I don't see him getting a podium finish in the B&F so his salary needs to be commensurate with his abilities

No disrespect to Fritta, but I think season will really show if he has what it takes or not.  While he oozes natural talent, footy smarts and courage, up to this point the expectations and pressure on him has been modest.

It's not like he has been given a free ride up until this point and I'm sure it only would have taken a few weeks of handy 2 to 3 goal hauls and goal assists for him to have attracted the attention and respect of opposition coaches and been marked with quality defenders.  However, I will be interested (and hopeful in the affirmative) to see if Bailey can stamp his name as a consistent and reliable scoring machine over the whole season.

  On 28/05/2020 at 11:41, Dr. Gonzo said:

Fritsch to me is a good "icing" player, he'll do well when the team's going well but I can't see him grabbing a game and imposing himself on it when things aren't going our way. Maybe just my perception because of his size but I haven't seen it yet.

Not saying get rid of him by any means but I don't see him getting a podium finish in the B&F so his salary needs to be commensurate with his abilities

My perception is that Fritch is a fair bit grittier than your average 'icing' type of player.  We weren't exactly flying in the back half of last year when after being thrown forward in somewhat despiration, he kicked a number of big bags of goals and provided a good focal point.

He’s less icing and more like the batter you find on deep fried bananas. 

Edited May 28, 20204 yr by Ethan Tremblay

Hnmm I see Bailey Fritsch as the sort of player that if nurtured Correctly( Sheeeeit haven't we had a great history there) Might just become our next Adem Yze , Brad Green type. And of course they grow on trees Not!!!!

The other thing I have noticed about him is that NONCHALANT Rob Flower Yze effect of floating across a pack to take a mark.

I would HATE to see him go..... a rare treasure in a pit in a somewhat empty trove!!

KEEP !!

we're going to have to cut at least ten players from our list - as are all clubs - so it'll be interesting to see what value, if any, many of the players likely to be on the way out have

you'd think of those on the uncontracted list, only viney, fritsch and to a lesser extent hunt would be potentially attractive to another club

anyway, i would hope the first two are going nowhere at the end of the year...although i guess we should wait and see how 2020 plays out before making any list management murmurs...

If we get rid of any of our top 25 players the club is a disgrace. We finished 2nd last we shouldn't have a problem with the salary cap.

Players that we must keep. JETTA, MAY, LEVER, SALEM, O.MCDONALD, HIBBERD, LANGDON, PETRACCA, TOMLINSON, PICKETT, T.MCDONALD, JONES, MELKSHAM, WEIDEMAN, FRITSCH, GAWN, OLIVER, VINEY, HARMES, BRAYSHAW, LOCKHART, BENNELL, PETTY, VANDENBERG AND HANNAN.

If the AFL get their way and reduce lists to 35 next year, which presumably needs to be 32 before the draft, then most of our OOC players are in a world of trouble.

Maybe 10 out of 23 survive, which will clearly include Viney, Petracca, Fritsch, Petty & Sparrow. I'd keep McDonald and Lockhart, and probably Bennell if he gets on the field this year. That leaves very few spots for the rest to fight over.

  On 28/05/2020 at 12:27, Ethan Tremblay said:

He’s less icing and more like the batter you find on deep fried bananas. 

Does this batter bat at number 9 or 10?

 

  On 29/05/2020 at 00:44, poita said:

If the AFL get their way and reduce lists to 35 next year, which presumably needs to be 32 before the draft, then most of our OOC players are in a world of trouble.

Maybe 10 out of 23 survive, which will clearly include Viney, Petracca, Fritsch, Petty & Sparrow. I'd keep McDonald and Lockhart, and probably Bennell if he gets on the field this year. That leaves very few spots for the rest to fight over.

I reckon the Crows will be into Sparrow this year. he's a SA boy and he hasn't cracked into our team yet, just a game or two, and the Crows will be desperate for some big bodied mids at the end of the year. we could probably afford to let him go too, but i'm not sure what we'd get for him though.

  On 29/05/2020 at 00:44, poita said:

If the AFL get their way and reduce lists to 35 next year, which presumably needs to be 32 before the draft, then most of our OOC players are in a world of trouble.

Maybe 10 out of 23 survive, which will clearly include Viney, Petracca, Fritsch, Petty & Sparrow. I'd keep McDonald and Lockhart, and probably Bennell if he gets on the field this year. That leaves very few spots for the rest to fight over.

If they cut the lists there will have to be a mechanism where you can also pay out contracted players. To have the whole cut fall on OOC players doesn't make sense on so many levels.

It may also rescue Sydney from their Buddy deal (grrrrrrrr)

  On 29/05/2020 at 01:39, Diamond_Jim said:

If they cut the lists there will have to be a mechanism where you can also pay out contracted players. To have the whole cut fall on OOC players doesn't make sense on so many levels.

It may also rescue Sydney from their Buddy deal (grrrrrrrr)

atm there are probably 5 players with an existing contract past year-end who would consider themselves very lucky if they are exempt from pruning. agree this not very sensible and they might develop an exit mechanism, but it will be messy whichever way it goes.

  On 29/05/2020 at 00:44, poita said:

If the AFL get their way and reduce lists to 35 next year, which presumably needs to be 32 before the draft, then most of our OOC players are in a world of trouble.

There's no way they can reduce lists that dramatically - clubs have contracts with players which will make that impossible. If anything they'll have to stagger it over 3-5 years.

I’d be amazed if he was squeezed out, The pies have fitted all their guys into the cap, surely.......surely we can keep an up and coming forward!.

  On 29/05/2020 at 06:45, BrisbaneDemon said:

I’d be amazed if he was squeezed out, The pies have fitted all their guys into the cap, surely.......surely we can keep an up and coming forward!.

He is not going to be squeezed out, don't pay any attention of the drivel from john ralph.

  On 28/05/2020 at 09:03, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Fritsch needs to work on his set shot kicking if he wants to go places in the league.

Is a good snap shot and good on the run but his elementary set shots for goal leaves a lot to be desired.

Had a poor round 1 with 0.2. Looking forward to a better showing vs Carlton.

He's a thumping kick but just needs to tighten up this area with routine consistency in front of goal. Would hope we lock him in.

  On 28/05/2020 at 12:27, Ethan Tremblay said:

He’s less icing and more like the batter you find on deep fried bananas. 

Wrong thread.

  On 28/05/2020 at 11:55, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

My perception is that Fritch is a fair bit grittier than your average 'icing' type of player.  We weren't exactly flying in the back half of last year when after being thrown forward in somewhat despiration, he kicked a number of big bags of goals and provided a good focal point.

And, RBG, it appeared as though he did so, rather easily. He is a man belonging in a good team. 

  On 27/05/2020 at 22:57, Demonland said:

Player managers fear a middle-class squeeze that will see the league’s reliable role players sacrificed so clubs can stay under a smaller 2021 salary cap.

AFL football operations boss Steve Hocking on Wednesday confirmed little work had been done on the salary cap or list cuts as key industry figures fear key decisions are months away.

List managers and player agents are still none the wiser on when they will be able to contract players again as players begin to express their anxiousness about 2021 contracts.

 

BAYLEY FRITSCH (MELBOURNE) 

Jack Viney is the free agent the Demons will want to lock away but Fritsch has turned into a sneaky-good utility who can play anywhere and kicked 17 and 20 goals in his first two years. Can he go big and turn a 30-plus goal year into some serious leverage?

This the same Jon Ralph?

"The Herald Sun’s Jon Ralph reports clubs including North Melbourne, Melbourne and Carlton have around half of their lists currently contracted into 2021 and beyond. In turn they have sizeable portions of their salary caps available to use.

That is becoming particularly important with many players unwilling to accept looming pay cuts of as much as 20 to 25 per cent."

AFL stars ‘not willing’ to take pay cuts may cause trade bonanza, with three clubs to benefit

 

  On 01/06/2020 at 08:46, Lord Nev said:

This the same Jon Ralph?

"The Herald Sun’s Jon Ralph reports clubs including North Melbourne, Melbourne and Carlton have around half of their lists currently contracted into 2021 and beyond. In turn they have sizeable portions of their salary caps available to use.

That is becoming particularly important with many players unwilling to accept looming pay cuts of as much as 20 to 25 per cent."

AFL stars ‘not willing’ to take pay cuts may cause trade bonanza, with three clubs to benefit

 

Let's not have a little contradiction get between a journalist and his click bait.