Replacing Frost

[Dr. Gonzo 24,221]

[Leoncelli_36 2,264]

Frost was a potato ? 

[GoingGoingGawn 36]

I liked frosty but you can’t carry players who don’t play to the game plan and who can’t use the footy coming out of the back half, Unfortunately for frosty he didn’t seem to understand his limitations with ball in hand. 
 

Obviously May will take the stay at home forward and with Lever floating as an intercept player we may get away with having smith or Hore take the 2nd tall but otherwise Omac will be needed, Which I would be okay with and I think with strong support around him we would see him start to flourish a bit more in the back half.

[one_demon 826]

2 minutes ago, GoingGoingGawn said:

I liked frosty but you can’t carry players who don’t play to the game plan and who can’t use the footy coming out of the back half, Unfortunately for frosty he didn’t seem to understand his limitations with ball in hand. 
 

Obviously May will take the stay at home forward and with Lever floating as an intercept player we may get away with having smith or Hore take the 2nd tall but otherwise Omac will be needed, Which I would be okay with and I think with strong support around him we would see him start to flourish a bit more in the back half.

Good answer

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

1 hour ago, one_demon said:

Yes.  I guess we have to hope that we got the recruiting right or if we play finals regularly we might be able to attract a quality defender in the future.   In the meantime we'll have to endure a dysfunctional defence. 

I believe there is a plateau in the top 8, that clubs get to,  after being down for a while.

A launching pad to fly to the Moon from,  or to blow up on the pad.

 

We've blown up, a few times before.   Because we didn't sit there and practice our drills and strategies.  In short,  we were there too short a time,  fleeting visits,  rather than getting used to the rarified atmosphere.

 

We are building a side/list to see us in finals for the next 10 years.  There's your basis for success.  The launching pad, Top 5.  Building the right Vessel, with the right skill sets.

Edited February 25, 2020 by MyFavouriteMartian

[dazzledavey36 54,947]

I watched full game of the Hawks and Saints game and frost was horrible. Turnovers, and gave away dumb frees.

[Demon Dude 425]

21 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

I believe there is a plateau in the top 8, that clubs get to,  after being down for a while.

A launching pad to fly to the Moon from,  or to blow up on the pad.

 

We've blown up, a few times before.   Because we didn't sit there and practice our drills and strategies.  In short,  we were there too short a time,  fleeting visits,  rather than getting used to the rarified atmosphere.

 

We are building a side/list to see us in finals for the next 10 years.  There's your basis for success.  The launching pad, Top 5.  Building the right Vessel, with the right skill sets.

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[Demon trucker 1,800]

9 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

I believe there is a plateau in the top 8, that clubs get to,  after being down for a while.

A launching pad to fly to the Moon from,  or to blow up on the pad.

 

We've blown up, a few times before.   Because we didn't sit there and practice our drills and strategies.  In short,  we were there too short a time,  fleeting visits,  rather than getting used to the rarified atmosphere.

 

We are building a side/list to see us in finals for the next 10 years.  There's your basis for success.  The launching pad, Top 5.  Building the right Vessel, with the right skill sets.

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[640MD 3,377]

I did like watching Frosty play,   but with my heart in my mouth at times,

I can admit that I was surprised when he was let go so relatively easily.

I think it is obvious that the Football Department  sees far more upside in Omac rather than Mr Frost.

I guess that's what they get paid to do   

Go Dees 2020

[DeezNuts 624]

“He just might be the dumbest sonofabi@tch alive, but, he sure can run”

- Forrest Gump 

[Earl Hood 6,086]

Hoping it is J Smith who intercepts and provides attacking run from down back this year. 

[Beetle 4,660]

[Little Goffy 14,568]

Hore is only slightly under sized at 190cm.  He's also, dare I say it, smarter than Frost.

I don't mind a May / Lever / Hore set up for the tall defenders.

Thing to remember - our game plan relies on having smart mobile defenders who can read play, press up, support eachother and cover the right spaces.  NOT any kind of one to one minding of opposition forwards.  It is part of why we are/were so horribly exposed when the system breaks down and particularly when we aren't spreading well in the midfield to cover rebounds and keep pressure on.

I enjoyed or should I just say 'was entertained by' Frostball and respect the player himself, but he was not a cog in the particular machine we are trying to build.

[binman 42,986]

47 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I watched full game of the Hawks and Saints game and frost was horrible. Turnovers, and gave away dumb frees.

Always looks completely perplexed when a free is paid against him.

It will be interesting to see how long it takes Clark ro lose patience in frost ball given his focus on system and contolled ball use.

[nosoupforme 3,085]

Petty 20 yo can play forward and held his own in the AFL 10 games in 2019 as a key started in the back line and ended as  a forward where he kicked 6 goals for the season. He might have kicked 3 or  in a game. Correct me if anyone wants to.

197cm  tall and has upside plenty of it. IMO he will be used wisely maybe has to wait his turn however don't be surprised if he plays regularly. He will only get better. He has the time to make a name for himself forward or Back. Glad he is on our side. His best stats against St Kilda  12kicks  11 handballs 23 poss  10 marks in 2019. playing back.

 He kicked 3 goals against the Bulldogs. Good going. Watch this space.

Edited February 25, 2020 by nosoupforme

[Macca 16,972]

3 hours ago, monoccular said:

Sounds like this is actually designed as yet another bag Oscar thread.  
Getting boring. 

It is boring monoccular ... the advanced scapegoat (Oscar) cops it by default.

Ingerson,  Hughes,  Campbell,  Shanahan would all cop it at various times.  Blame the last thing visible? 

Meanwhile,  a dysfunctional forward line* is often the real cause of a team being broken down by the opposition (albeit recognised later on)  And the forward line only ever seems to get the blame as a group.  It's what we do.

 

*70's & early to mid 80's - Demons dysfunctional forward line (main issue)

Edited February 25, 2020 by Macca

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

33 minutes ago, Beetle said:

If dis Frosty, den whooz das.?

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Edited February 25, 2020 by MyFavouriteMartian

[nosoupforme 3,085]

47 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

Hoping it is J Smith who intercepts and provides attacking run from down back this year. 

    Don't hold your breath Earl.  I am so surprised that anyone can see some thing in him. played 11 games since he debut in 2017.        

    I hope he does well for his sake and I hope he proves me wrong.  I cannot rate him. I am sorry 

Edited February 25, 2020 by nosoupforme

[Diamond_Jim 12,590]

In a perfect world the replacement for Frost is Hunt. Backmen such as Lever mark the ball give off to Hunt who breaks the zone by running 15-20 metres and delivers to players running onto the ball.

Fast and damaging transition. Pity Hunt seems to have lost his mojo

[roy11 3,853]

I liked Frosty (for mixed reasons) and i've previously joined the somewhat unnecessary pile-ons on Omac last year due to the sideshow 2019 was for us.  We have the players to replace Frosty based on the replies to this thread, with a fit bill of health they may even well surpass him based on team play/structure etc. Hopefully OMac has had a positive pre-season and is given a clean slate by the fans for this season. 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

8 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

In a perfect world the replacement for Frost is Hunt. Backmen such as Lever mark the ball give off to Hunt who breaks the zone by running 15-20 metres and delivers to players running onto the ball.

Fast and damaging transition. Pity Hunt seems to have lost his mojo

Not sure Hunt helps us with our backline disposal problems.

 

[Demon17 5,188]

17 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

You mean, who's going to grab the ball, run flat out for 50m, kick at full tilt to no one in particular and then watch it sail over his head for a goal? Or whose going to chase down an opponent then kick it out on the full? Or whose going to break team zoning rules, only to be told off by senior players?

Tough call, but I'd rather a disciplined Oscar than Frosty. 

A beautiful set of reminiscences Moonshadow. I reckon I saw all of these. 

Good luck to Frost , and " Frostball", although coined last year was maybe said in just, just didn't fit the modern game and the team's objectives.

I think there is still hope for Oscar and his kicking is underrated.

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,842]

17 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

Frost?  The over concussed defender who was bog average for the hawks last week?

Frost made mistakes in the first quarter but had a very good final 3 quarters last week IMO, and the Hawks supporters across the forums were more than satisfied with his performance.

A good pick up for the Hawks and potentially a bad loss for us if May continues his injury prone stint with us, we get the 2019 version of O Mac and Lever doesn't become the star we were expecting.

Edited February 26, 2020 by Bring-Back-Powell

[rjay 24,929]

9 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Hawks supporters across the forums were more than satisfied with his performance.

That's called wishful thinking 'Bring-Back'...

All supporters do it at this time of year.

You see what's not there and ignore what is.

You like to think you've picked up a bargain. How could Melbourne let him go?

Let's see what they think after a couple of real games.

[The Stigga 1,094]

Transition from defence is perhaps the most important part of the game, look at Richmond's back 6 last year:

B: Astbury Broad Grimes

HB Houli Vlastuin Short

None are really 'Key Defenders', but they all kick extremely well and are superb decision makers.