Phantom Drafts

[olisik 4,060]

6 hours ago, Colm said:

Jeez if it worked out like that Freo would be the big winners with them getting Serong, Stephens and Henry

We must bid on Henry at 3 to ensure that doesn’t happen.

[Mach5 4,768]

8 minutes ago, rjay said:

What do you think of Gould 'Mach'???

I've only seen highlights but a lot to like in those...

I’ve said in the Gould thread that I’m gunshy based on memories of Tapscott... but I really like the look of him.

If I was going to select a HBF with a top 10 pick, it’d be Gould for me over Young. The only curveball is if Young can switch into the midfield. He does seem to have a few similarities to Dyson Heppell.

[dazzledavey36 55,458]

5 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

I’ve said in the Gould thread that I’m gunshy based on memories of Tapscott... but I really like the look of him.

If I was going to select a HBF with a top 10 pick, it’d be Gould for me over Young. The only curveball is if Young can switch into the midfield. He does seem to have a few similarities to Dyson Heppell.

Played last few games for Dandy on a wing and definitely looked comfortable in that position.

[Demon trucker 1,800]

29 minutes ago, olisik said:

Only MFC would take a player expected to go around 15 at pick 8

A bit like picking Oliver at 3

[olisik 4,060]

6 minutes ago, don't make me angry said:

A bit like picking Oliver at 3

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[picket fence 17,743]

Having looked closely at all I have to Say YOUNG is potentially a better mans Bacher Houli and we all know how good he is!!

Must be our first pick IMV

Edited October 21, 2019 by picket fence

[the fork 357]

2 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

In his expanded Phantom Draft, Knightmare predicts Melbourne will take Hayden Young  with pick 3 (not splitting the pick or nominating Tom Green) and Brodie Kemp with its next pick.

Expanded AFL Phantom Draft: Risers, sliders and new names

Us taking Kemp makes a lot of sense when we consider Jason Taylor’s efforts to trade up the order to secure Oliver. We wouldn’t trade into the position we did to get just anyone, we’ve positioned ourselves for a big win and some X factor.

 

lock it in.

 

[Colm 2,188]

1 hour ago, olisik said:

We must bid on Henry at 3 to ensure that doesn’t happen.

Would make more sense for us to to do a side deal with Carlton where we don’t go for Martin in PSD if they don’t go for player  we want at 9 and we do a deal with Freo to swap pick 8 for pick 10 and 22.(provided players we want are still there before we make the deal on draft night)

They still get the players they are after but so do we are we get pick 22 as a bonus. 

[rjay 25,202]

1 hour ago, Mach5 said:

I’ve said in the Gould thread that I’m gunshy based on memories of Tapscott... but I really like the look of him.

If I was going to select a HBF with a top 10 pick, it’d be Gould for me over Young. The only curveball is if Young can switch into the midfield. He does seem to have a few similarities to Dyson Heppell.

Gould looks a much more complete player than Tapscott though, strong in the air & on the ground, smart ball user...again based on only a few minutes of highlights for me.

[Mach5 4,768]

26 minutes ago, rjay said:

Gould looks a much more complete player than Tapscott though, strong in the air & on the ground, smart ball user...again based on only a few minutes of highlights for me.

I agree. I really like him. 

Like I said, I’d choose him over Young, unless the club truly think Young could become a decent permanent mid/wingman. I currently don’t.

[Mach5 4,768]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Played last few games for Dandy on a wing and definitely looked comfortable in that position.

Don’t you want him to be dominant at that position though? I mean, Petracca played competently as a mid in juniors, but what has that translated to for us at AFL level so far?

I’m also not sure about his athleticism for the wing; I’d want him to be able to run like Langdon and from what I understand his combine results were underwhelming.

[Moonshadow 17,678]

2 hours ago, olisik said:

Only MFC would take a player expected to go around 15 at pick 8

From previous draft day interviews with Taylor and Mahoney, they have a list of draftees ranked in the order they rate them. I recall them talking about selecting the best available at the pick. These days, most clubs lists would be very similar.

For example, they were wrapped that Petty was available at 37 in his draft year. They thought he'd go earlier. I don't want to search for the interview, but I remember them saying something to the effect that we weren't looking for a key tall but he was too good to pass at that pick.

Edited October 21, 2019 by Moonshadow

[Males 578]

I think the old rule about not taking a halfback top 5ish is just that, old school. Look at the amount of teams that set up their attack from halfback these days, they say Young is arguably the best kick in the draft, good decision maker and can intercept mark. I’m looking at him replacing Jetta or Hibberd in the future and setting up a lot of our attacks. ? 

I’m only going off the few highlights and draft reports though. ??‍♂️

[dazzledavey36 55,458]

6 minutes ago, Males said:

I think the old rule about not taking a halfback top 5ish is just that, old school. Look at the amount of teams that set up their attack from halfback these days, they say Young is arguably the best kick in the draft, good decision maker and can intercept mark. I’m looking at him replacing Jetta or Hibberd in the future and setting up a lot of our attacks. ? 

I’m only going off the few highlights and draft reports though. ??‍♂️

I look at someone like Nick Haynes from GWS and see a lot of similarities to Young in terms of his intercept marking.

[Ted Lasso 19,549]

Got a funny feeling we'll go with Serong at pick 3, he's going to be handy up forward in the small forward role, ability to rotate through and have an impact in the middle as well. 

I reckon we might grab Lachie Ash at pick 8. 

 

Edited October 21, 2019 by Patches O’houlihan

[ArtificialWisdom 4,045]

12 hours ago, picket fence said:

Having looked closely at all I have to Say YOUNG is potentially a better mans Bacher Houli and we all know how good he is!!

Must be our first pick IMV

I haven't been following Young too closely but from what I've seen I'd say Ash is more like Bacher as they both use run and carry as their weapon. I'd liken Young more to Shannon Hurn, using intercept marking and elite kicking as a weapon. But either is good

[Deespicable 2,886]

Love all the thoughts and given that I've only really had a good look at Rowell and Serong, my order is based on what I think each club's list managers would be thinking.

1 GC - Rowell - This guy is such an amazing hardworker and a beautiful baulker, reminds me a little of a smaller Robert Harvey. May be too small to be a long-term superstar, but definitely a SC special in his first year and guaranteed 200-gamer.

2 GC - Anderson - I've noticed how Knightmare and others already see his upside and he's got his dad's athleticism. I reckon he may struggle a bit at AFL level early, but once his body adjusts he oozes class and he is a better kick than his dad. He trained with us mid-season and I'm sure it would throw a spanner now in our planning if the Suns didn't take him. The AFL puts so much money into the Suns, and they have already made it clear to them and us what they want.

3 Melb - Hayden Young (Dandenong) - I loved what dazzledavey said about him. "Young in my opinion is one of the best users of the footy in the draft. Absolute sublime with his ability to bullet low 40m passes on both sides of his body. Yes he is genuinely a duel sided player with both feet. Plays his best footy across half back as the quarter back who will sit out the back of the stoppage and wait for the handball receive to then set up a counter attack with his foot skills, but also his intercept marking is exceptionally well. Had stints as a midfielder after the championships and showed that he has the ability to push up into the midfield as a genuine wingman who could deliver with poise inside 50. Honestly you just want the ball in this kids hands at every opportunity because he uses it so well."

We need a quick defender, especially with Frost departing and with Hibberd and Jetta getting on, so we need someone like Young with run and kicking ability to take the pressure off Salem. I can't see us taking Serong this early, even though he is a guaranteed 200-gamer, because I reckon we feel our midfield is good enough and we may yet add Martin to our group of onballers.

4 Adel - Dylan Stephens (SA) - I reckon they will weigh him up with Will Gould, who is another SA player and one who shone in the SANFL finals. But Stephens has pace and I reckon that's what Adelaide needs big time now. They will also consider Serong and Flanders, but surely the logic of recent seasons will tell them to go local. 

5 GWS - Tom Green (NSW) - I haven't seen any of his games, but the reports say he's an inside bull and I reckon Sydney will want him enough to put a bid on him and he lives virtually on their doorstep. He actually fits Sydney's requirements more than GWS, especially with Kennedy almost finished and Parker getting on, but unless they are planning some cute swap he will surely join the Giants and back-up their gun midfielders.

6 Syd - Luke Jackson (WA) or Sam Flanders (Gippsland) - I've jumped Jackson up the order because I reckon Sydney will have been so [censored] off this year that they didn't have a back-up ruck plan once they started getting injuries and reports say Jackson could be a bit like a future Grundy and with Blakey and Daniher (after next year), they will have their bigs shored up for post-Franklin days. If they feel Jackson is too much of a stretch and could still be around their pick 25, then I reckon they will go Flanders and groom him for the Kennedy role in 2021.They will also consider Serong, but I reckon his lack of size and their good history with mids will see them want the bigger-body option. 

7   Frem - Devon Robertson (Perth) - I've assumed here that GWS had to give up pick 6 as part of their Green acquisition and I can't really see how the Giants can get around losing six, unless the Swans come to some sort of whacky deal - very happy if a draft expert can explain how they can manipulate it for me. As a result Freo should have pick seven and having made last year their bigs draft, they will want more midfield help for Fyfe, although Brayshaw and Cerra should be even better next season. Freo will have to decide between Serong, Kemp (coming off a knee injury that will mean he barely plays next season, if at all) and their own boy Robertson, who was a star for WA's winning U18 team. As with Adelaide, they have been burnt by Victorians wanting to go home, so surely they will go their own lad. Surely!

8 Melb - Cody Weightman (Dandenong) or Caleb Serong/Sam Flanders (Gippsland) - This hopefully is a lot tougher for Tubby Taylor than simply just reading out Weightman's name. Clearly we were excited by the prospect of the pacey, quick forward with a leap and that's why sold the farm to go up the order. But Cody is pretty small (just 177cm - 5ft10in) and we have already spent the past three drafts trying to find small forwards who can play near the goalsquare (Spargo and Sparrow with our top remaining picks and Bedford, Chandler, Lockhart with speculative picks). It infuriates me that this obsession led us to having 15 sub 6-footers on our list and whilst we have moved on two of them, Cody would be another vertically challenged player in an era when smalls need to be incredibly fast plus manic tacklers  - and not one of our choices has majorly explosive leg-speed. In one sense, I reckon we already solved our small forward problem this year when we sent Jayden Hunt there too harass and whilst his evasive skills and smooth kicking need working on, he certainly harassed. Hunt's not too dissimilar to Castagna and provided Young and Joel Smith (if fit) can cope with quick forwards up the other end, then Hunt is a good option alongside Petracca, Melky, Fritter and maybe ANB. So if someone has some Cody videos please put them on DL as I don't really understand why we would move heaven and earth to get him - maybe a few freakish snaps and leaps will make it clearer.

The more sensible option to me is to go whichever one of Serong or Flanders that is left over. This will add depth to our midfield and both can spend their first season primarily being used up forward as they develop bodies. From the games I saw Serong was the second best junior behind Rowell. He is a tad small (180cm), but he's got a good leap, tackles hard and kicks beautifully to position. To me he looked a safe bet to be drafted by the Roos at 8, but for some reason they must have felt he'd go earlier, and jumped at the prospect of our 2020 pick. From all reports Flanders (182cm) is a huge talent as well that could develop into a frontliner. I am not sure about how quick either of these two are, but they both scored a few bags of goals as mids and if they have enough speed, then it's a tick from me.

[FlashInThePan 1,893]

14 hours ago, the fork said:

Us taking Kemp makes a lot of sense when we consider Jason Taylor’s efforts to trade up the order to secure Oliver. We wouldn’t trade into the position we did to get just anyone, we’ve positioned ourselves for a big win and some X factor.

 

lock it in.

 

I'm with you fork. There is no way we traded out next year's first and this year's second for weightman. I'm hoping it was to get Kemp but maybe Stephens. 

[Dees247 140]

8 minutes ago, FlashInThePan said:

I'm with you fork. There is no way we traded out next year's first and this year's second for weightman. I'm hoping it was to get Kemp but maybe Stephens. 

Would love to land Stephens, exactly what we need (all though we need a small forward in Weightman too)

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

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[chook fowler 19,675]

i find it extraordinary that the draft is so late in November. Surely by now all the background info is available. If it was 2 or 3 weeks later there would be more time for the newbies to have a full preseason.

[Swooper1987 3,322]

6 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

i find it extraordinary that the draft is so late in November. Surely by now all the background info is available. If it was 2 or 3 weeks later there would be more time for the newbies to have a full preseason.

It's held so late because of school exams.

[spirit of norm smith 16,596]

On 10/22/2019 at 11:17 AM, FlashInThePan said:

I'm with you fork. There is no way we traded out next year's first and this year's second for weightman. I'm hoping it was to get Kemp but maybe Stephens. 

Ditto.  Lockin Young at 3. Gotta grab Kemp at 8 or (if Kemp is gone) a slider such as Serong, Flanders or Stephens.  

Edited October 23, 2019 by spirit of norm smith
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[Adam The God 30,541]

Kemp may well be gone by 8, whereas Gould should be there by 8, so this should dictate our drafting strategy. I hope this is the thinking anyway. ?

Alternatively, @Fifty-5 proposed trading 8 for 10 and an early second rounder. We could still probably get Gould with 10 and maybe a Weightman at the start of the second round.

Kemp, Gould and Weightman all address needs. I like it.

Edited October 23, 2019 by A F

[Pennant St Dee 13,324]

2 hours ago, A F said:

Kemp may well be gone by 8, whereas Gould should be there by 8, so this should dictate our drafting strategy. I hope this is the thinking anyway. ?

Alternatively, @Fifty-5 proposed trading 8 for 10 and an early second rounder. We could still probably get Gould with 10 and maybe a Weightman at the start of the second round.

Kemp, Gould and Weightman all address needs. I like it.

I do like Kemp AF as you know, but very keen to get in one of Young and Stephens