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On 10/3/2019 at 5:44 PM, DeeSpencer said:

I can’t help but see the Atley in him, but Atley also became a very useful player this year and some of Ash’s kicks look better than Atley’s. Overall technique a bit more sound? 

He looks the kind of flawed but high upside player you’d love at 10 but not at 3. Can he chase down and tackle, maybe start his career as a forward?

I’m still waiting for some more highlights videos to drop to see a player who really catches my eye for pick 3. Serong and Young both have a lot to like but don’t quite tick every box. 

 

Brodie Kemp would have been the standout at 3 before he got injured.  It remains to see if JT and Goody would have the courage to choose him. Young and Serong are safe choices at 3.  Wouldn’t dispute either being called out. Ash could be the “for needs” pick as we need pace.  

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25 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Brodie Kemp would have been the standout at 3 before he got injured.

Agreed SONS.

Kemp at #3 would be a brave but inspired choice. If he is able to recover from his ACL injury (it seems to be very reasonable to expect nowadays), i don't see why he shouldn't be in the convo as a genuine top 3 pick.

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I think Taylor based on the interview on the website will just take best player at pick 3 rather than positional drafting, so will be really interesting to see who they think is the third best player, makes me think we're a decent chance to draft Serong or Young as they seem to be ranked 3-4 by most people 

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On 10/2/2019 at 9:40 PM, Nelo said:

Is he another Charlie Spargo?

At 178cm you might be on to something. Prefer a little more height thanks.

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Have to see Jay Rantall now fly into top 25 contention.  Former star junior basketballer. Had a great year.  I only saw him once against Calder but was dominant and looked like an AFL ready player. Not the most stylish but effective.  I remember Matt Crouch looked similar and he is a star.  Not sure Rantall would suit our needs but he’ll be a player.   Standout big midfielder. 

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10 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Have to see Jay Rantall now fly into top 25 contention.  Former star junior basketballer. Had a great year.  I only saw him once against Calder but was dominant and looked like an AFL ready player. Not the most stylish but effective.  I remember Matt Crouch looked similar and he is a star.  Not sure Rantall would suit our needs but he’ll be a player.   Standout big midfielder. 

Is he any relation to John Rantall, South?

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On 10/3/2019 at 2:30 PM, Demon Disciple said:

and by a fair margin.

gould is better and a better player

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58 minutes ago, Paulo said:

gould is better and a better player

I'm gonna have to politely disagree with you on that one Paulo.

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If I had to keep pick 3, it’d be Serong. He’ll probably end up like Ainsworth at the suns.

But I’m firm on splitting the pick.

It’s great that Young is a fantastic kick, but it’s a pre-requisite that the selection can find/win their own ball. From what little I know, he skirts round the back for a lot of cheap handball receives. Intercept marking is a nice bonus, but if he’s to be a small defender, he has to be capable of winning a hard ground ball, one-on-ones and playing tight. No clear indication of those abilities yet.

And if we split it, we could have the good chance of a combination of Stephens, Weightman and/or Robertson, which would be a serious win.

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15 hours ago, Paulo said:

gould is better and a better player

Reckon you might be right in the end.

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10 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

If I had to keep pick 3, it’d be Serong. He’ll probably end up like Ainsworth at the suns.

But I’m firm on splitting the pick.

It’s great that Young is a fantastic kick, but it’s a pre-requisite that the selection can find/win their own ball. From what little I know, he skirts round the back for a lot of cheap handballs. Intercept marking is a nice bonus, but if he’s to be a small defender, he has to be capable of winning a hard ground ball and playing tight. No indication of that yet.

And if we split it, we could have the good chance of a combination of Stephens, Weightman and/or Robertson, which would be a serious win.

I agree about Serong. But yeah, we are looking to split. I think a realistic, best case scenario is getting Weightman & Stephens. It would immediately fill two positions that we need filled.

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On 10/4/2019 at 11:41 AM, Return to Glory said:

The argument for keeping pick 3 is that we control our own destiny. Splitting it may mean we pick up a gem who went lower than expected but it also may mean that we end up missing out on who we're after.

I think we'd only split it if we thought the pool was pretty even and that we'd be able to get at least one good player with one of the picks.

The sense I get from our list strategy team is that we're realistic and logical. If we think the field is pretty even, may as well get two bites of the cherry in the draft lottery, as opposed to narrowing our options with one pick.

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On 10/4/2019 at 6:31 PM, Demon Disciple said:

Agreed SONS.

Kemp at #3 would be a brave but inspired choice. If he is able to recover from his ACL injury (it seems to be very reasonable to expect nowadays), i don't see why he shouldn't be in the convo as a genuine top 3 pick.

Can those better in the know than me, say whether it's likely Kemp could even slip out of the top 10?

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On 10/4/2019 at 6:03 PM, spirit of norm smith said:

Brodie Kemp would have been the standout at 3 before he got injured.  It remains to see if JT and Goody would have the courage to choose him. Young and Serong are safe choices at 3.  Wouldn’t dispute either being called out. Ash could be the “for needs” pick as we need pace.  

I don't think our current recruiting team will draft a player simply due to their speed. BP clearly would have though.

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4 minutes ago, A F said:

Can those better in the know than me say whether it's likely Kemp could slip even out of the top 10?

Anything is possible A F. But if he did, i'd be hoping JT does some draft night pick swaps to pick him up if that was the case.

If we are able to walk away from the draft with one of Young/Kemp along with Weightman, we would have done very well.

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55 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

If I had to keep pick 3, it’d be Serong. He’ll probably end up like Ainsworth at the suns.

But I’m firm on splitting the pick.

It’s great that Young is a fantastic kick, but it’s a pre-requisite that the selection can find/win their own ball. From what little I know, he skirts round the back for a lot of cheap handball receives. Intercept marking is a nice bonus, but if he’s to be a small defender, he has to be capable of winning a hard ground ball, one-on-ones and playing tight. No clear indication of those abilities yet.

And if we split it, we could have the good chance of a combination of Stephens, Weightman and/or Robertson, which would be a serious win.

What is the little you know based on?

Watching the televised games? Reading bigfooty profiles?

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the real question is does a combo of Stephens, Sharp and potentially a steak knives player from the Giants equal to be more value than Hayden Young or Caleb Serong, 

I do wonder if the Bombers could be tempted to trade picks 5 & 9 (mooted compensation for Daniher) for pick 3 and our 2020 first rounder - we then back ourselves to improve 

if they would and we could get say Kemp, young or Serong at 5 and Lachie Ash or even Kemp at 9 i think that'd be incredible 

dream result would be Young at 5 and Ash at 9 

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I was looking through some of the early phantom drafts and power ranking lists and noticed that there was a definite leaning or bias towards players from Victoria. 

This is despite the fact that the Under 18 NAB AFL Championships were won this year by Western Australia. In Cal Twomey’s September Draft Rankings, not a single  player from the winners made the top ten. 

Last year, it was South Australia that won the championship and that state provided three of the top five draftees. On that basis it might be worthwhile to take a closer look at the talent from WA given that state’s strengths in the national competition.

The Croweaters also did well this year and one player from their team who has attracted my eye because he has all the attributes we need in a young midfielder - a good mix both inside and out, endurance and pace and a good user of the ball. 

I think Dylan Stephens who has been mentioned by a few posters might be a player who could be in line for selection, more so if the club manages to split pick 3.

AFL Draft Wrap: SA midfielder Dylan Stephens firms as top-10 selection

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If i asked everyone on here what out 2 biggest holes are on out list i imagine nearly 100%  would say outside run and SKILL by foot. Langdon and Tomlinson ( to a degree) address the outside run. Young is the SKILL by foot and off half back.. to ignore this would be silly IMO.

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9 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

If i asked everyone on here what out 2 biggest holes are on out list i imagine nearly 100%  would say outside run and SKILL by foot. Langdon and Tomlinson ( to a degree) address the outside run. Young is the SKILL by foot and off half back.. to ignore this would be silly IMO.

That and a quality small forward. Hello Cody Weightman. If we could manage to snaffle those 2 (try and get another pick around late teens/early 20's) it would be a good result

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19 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

That and a quality small forward. Hello Cody Weightman. If we could manage to snaffle those 2 (try and get another pick around late teens/early 20's) it would be a good result

Yah good call DD, i had a small fwd as our other main priority.

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12 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

I was looking through some of the early phantom drafts and power ranking lists and noticed that there was a definite leaning or bias towards players from Victoria. 

This is despite the fact that the Under 18 NAB AFL Championships were won this year by Western Australia. In Cal Twomey’s September Draft Rankings, not a single  player from the winners made the top ten. 

Last year, it was South Australia that won the championship and that state provided three of the top five draftees. On that basis it might be worthwhile to take a closer look at the talent from WA given that state’s strengths in the national competition.

The Croweaters also did well this year and one player from their team who has attracted my eye because he has all the attributes we need in a young midfielder - a good mix both inside and out, endurance and pace and a good user of the ball. 

I think Dylan Stephens who has been mentioned by a few posters might be a player who could be in line for selection, more so if the club manages to split pick 3.

AFL Draft Wrap: SA midfielder Dylan Stephens firms as top-10 selection

From AFL Draft Central  - Power Rankings: October 2019

#8 Dylan Stephens

Norwood/South Australia | Balanced Midfielder
08/01/2001 | 182cm | 70kg
Stephens is another lightly built midfielder who despite being just 70kg has forced his way into the SANFL League side for Norwood already in season 2019. Given the Redlegs’ tendancy to restrict kids from being exposed at the top level – see Luke Valente last year – it is a credit to Stephens – and teammate Taheny, to already earn their stripes. He has held his own too, admitedly playing a very outside game, but with many bigger bodies at the Redlegs, Stephens has terrific skills and moves well in transition, able to win the ball in midfield, take off and kick perfectly inside 50. He still has to add bulk to his frame, but he showed when taking on his peers he is capable of playing an inside role as well. Expect him to be the prime mover for South Australia at the Under 18 Championships and raise his stocks with a big couple of months.

Last month: After his League side was eliminated from the SANFL premiership race, Stephens was brought into the Redlegs’ Reserves Grand Final side where he had 26 disposals, three marks, five clearances, five tackles, two inside 50s and three rebounds on his way to a premiership medal. He also tested strongly across the board at the National Draft Combine.

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