This is where the power clubs have an advantage. Bolton's payout will be included in the soft salary cap. There is no penalty for exceeding this cap other than a dollar for dollar tax paid to the AFL.

So the big earning clubs simply bite the bullet. Harder for the poorer clubs.

North are reported to have done an offset deal with Scott. In other words he gets next year's  money but it is reduced by the amount he receives at his next job.. if he gets one.

1 hour ago, Moonshadow said:

I hear Jezza is available...

and then there is bruce doull....

2 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Totally agree. League will manipulate it so they get PP first pick in draft to compensate for their trading stuff up last year. Watch the media get on board and start pushing for it. 

SOS should go with Bolton of course, has recruited poorly outside of their blue chip kids, but he’s a sacred Carlton cow and will stay. 

The GWS rejects recruiting policy was SOS’ baby and has been a disaster.

 

1 hour ago, GCDee said:

The second I saw the trade go through you could just feel that Carlton already had an under the table agreement with the AFL if/when the trade went belly up, this could be one of the reasons SOS is kept out of the spot light. 

The first ever live trade, all the attention the trade will get through out the year as Adelaide climb the ladder and Carlton well, stay where they are, think about all the articles and media attention this deal has/will get? 

 

 

 

As incompetent as the AFL often is, they can't give Carlton a Priority Pick as it would make a mockery of the live drafting concept. If the AFL gives Carlton a PP, the AFL has effectively given any club carte blanche to misuse the live draft on the expectation that the AFL will clean up any mess they make in the process.

3 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

 

As incompetent as the AFL often is, they can't give Carlton a Priority Pick as it would make a mockery of the live drafting concept. If the AFL gives Carlton a PP, the AFL has effectively given any club carte blanche to misuse the live draft on the expectation that the AFL will clean up any mess they make in the process.

They've lost 39 of past 43 games which should balloon to about 48 from 55 by the end of this season. That alone should have them in the conversation for a discretionary PP. The drafting stuff up just hammers it home. 

Clubs stuff up trades and picks. It's part of the reason the ones that do it a lot stay at the bottom of the ladder. Carlton are a reasonably big club with a restless supporter base and some heavy powerbrokers. Odds on here Gillon will step in and hand them pick 1.

52 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

They've lost 39 of past 43 games which should balloon to about 48 from 55 by the end of this season. That alone should have them in the conversation for a discretionary PP. The drafting stuff up just hammers it home. 

Clubs stuff up trades and picks. It's part of the reason the ones that do it a lot stay at the bottom of the ladder. Carlton are a reasonably big club with a restless supporter base and some heavy powerbrokers. Odds on here Gillon will step in and hand them pick 1.

They had the number 1 pick (based on where they are now) but traded it out for Liam Stocker. Stupidity.

13 minutes ago, Return to Glory said:

They had the number 1 pick (based on where they are now) but traded it out for Liam Stocker. Stupidity.

Silly Carlton, should've done what we did and traded it for two Liam Stockers ?‍♂️ And then used one of those Liam Stockers to trade for a ruckman that never gets a game.

Edited June 3, 20195 yr by John Demonic

1 hour ago, Matsuo Basho said:

They've lost 39 of past 43 games which should balloon to about 48 from 55 by the end of this season. That alone should have them in the conversation for a discretionary PP. The drafting stuff up just hammers it home. 

Clubs stuff up trades and picks. It's part of the reason the ones that do it a lot stay at the bottom of the ladder. Carlton are a reasonably big club with a restless supporter base and some heavy powerbrokers. Odds on here Gillon will step in and hand them pick 1.

They had 2 extra picks last year (that they traded away in part for McGovern or Setterfield) plus the first pick of the midseason draft.

They don't need more draft picks, they simply need to get in some half decent experienced players and they've had a heap of opportunities to do that.

Their percentage of 74% shows they are far from hopeless at competing, just terrible at winning.

Melbourne turned it around with Vince, Cross, Bugg, Garlett, Melksham, Hibberd etc. No reason the Blues can't offer up some decent picks to land some quality experienced players.

This place (probably led by me as much as anyone) wasn't happy when we gave a 2nd round pick and plenty of cash for Jake Melksham. And I still think we overpaid for a late career rental of Bernie Vince. But it's those kind of deals the Blues have to make and refuse to.

Goodbye twerp.

In his weekly review of the ongoing tipping competition at my work, the bloke who runs it had this to say this morning:

Round 11 is done.

Annoyingly Norf kept the tradition of Interim coaches winning their first game against a poor Richmond BUT it’s always darkest before dawn, as the next day Fremantle beat Collingwood by a “goal” with 30 seconds left.

And Goodbye Brendan Bolton, maybe you can now pursue your true calling of being a jockey.

 

Bit harsh I thought, but hey at least its not us!

Carlton got Stocker (pick #19 in 2018 from Crows) plus Crows' 2019 first round pick, currently # 11 in return for this years 1st round (currently #1).  So they still have a 1st round pick this year. 

They effectively had two extra picks last year by selecting then trading out pre-listed players (Kreuger to Geelong and McAdam to Crows (plus some 2nd round picks) as part of the McGovern deal).  They did very well from the extra help last year. 

So, no way they get a pp anywhere in the draft this year!

As an aside: Ess is the other club that gambled badly with future picks:  they traded last year's first pick (pick #8) and 2019 first pick (currently #9) to GWS for Shiel, expecting they would win some finals.  Don't think the penny has yet dropped with their fans!

Shows the danger of future trading.  At least when we did it we ended up 4th on the ladder.

Edited June 3, 20195 yr by Lucifer's Hero

47 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

Silly Carlton, should've done what we did and traded it for two Liam Stockers ?‍♂️ And then used one of those Liam Stockers to trade for a ruckman that never gets a game.

You aren't suggesting the fatal 'Bolton' flu is contagious JD?  We are better than that surely!??

10 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

You aren't suggesting the fatal 'Bolton' flu is contagious JD?  We are better than that surely!??

I'm JKelly'ing with ya mate. We'd never do something as stupid as Carlton ?

Edited June 3, 20195 yr by John Demonic

5 hours ago, —coach— said:

I think we should be looking at Bolton as a possible assistant coach in 2020

 

4 hours ago, Tony Tea said:

Get Bolton to the Dees. We need some new ideas in the footy department, and Bolton knows Clarko Footy.

I would be waiting for Richardson...if the Saints offload him then we need to be in his ear.

I hope we are already talking with his management.

With the Blues in turmoil and likely another rebuild or major reno under a new coach in 2020, Jones in his twilight years and on the verge of retiring, is it time we got our own version of a Dusty type to add to our mid field stocks?  Just might be the tincture of tenderness needed to create our Milton and win the big one! ...

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/coupler.foxsports.com.au/api/v1/article/amp/afl/afl-2019-rival-club-could-pinch-patrick-cripps-if-carlton-cant-change-losing-habits-says-mark-maclure/news-story/ca9ee424332a3cd897c556709e728e75

Edited June 3, 20195 yr by Rusty Nails

The Hawthorn DNA had zero influence

1 hour ago, Biffen said:

Goodbye twerp.

 

Bolton would be an asset to us as assistant coach, just ask Clarko.

I’d be going for Sam Mitchell. Next big thing in AFL coaching. 

19 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

I’d be going for Sam Mitchell. Next big thing in AFL coaching. 

He will be a great specialist midfield coach. Outside of that I haven't heard great things about him (as a person).

22 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

He will be a great specialist midfield coach. Outside of that I haven't heard great things about him (as a person).

I don't know that good bloke factor is what a club needs sometimes (not that Mitchell isn't). But he does bring is a winning mindset, a winning resume and highline footballing IQ. He's also a natural leader. Some might not like him but everyone would respect him. Big difference when a guy like Mitchell eyeballs you with directions, someone who's fought in the trenches and been to the Summit of football four times.

Edited June 3, 20195 yr by Matsuo Basho

To those who suggest getting Bolton I say ….

[censored] ………… we've already got enough losers.

I think we should use Jordan Lewis as a coach next year and target Brendan Bolton now. There are several on our coaching panel who I think are pretty ordinary. Pay 2-3 of them out now and re-invigorate our coaching panel before next season.

Sam Mitchell will probably end up as a senior coach very soon. Would not be surprised if he is not brought into Carlton. Stranger things have happened.

2 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

With the Blues in turmoil and likely another rebuild or major reno under a new coach in 2020, Jones in his twilight years and on the verge of retiring, is it time we got our own version of a Dusty type to add to our mid field stocks?  Just might be the tincture of tenderness needed to create our Milton and win the big one! ...

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/coupler.foxsports.com.au/api/v1/article/amp/afl/afl-2019-rival-club-could-pinch-patrick-cripps-if-carlton-cant-change-losing-habits-says-mark-maclure/news-story/ca9ee424332a3cd897c556709e728e75

Is this a chance

yes please 

 

wait , he’s not just an accumulator is he?

1 hour ago, Thehardtackler said:

Sam Mitchell will probably end up as a senior coach very soon. Would not be surprised if he is not brought into Carlton. Stranger things have happened.

So you’d be surprised if he was brought into Carlton?