Jump to content

  • Podcast: Draft Wrap Up w/Jason Taylor  

Sign in to follow this  
Farmer

Learn the Torp

Recommended Posts

In today's Age Malcolm Blight extols the virtues of the torpedo punt, as well he might because he used it magnificently.

i want to tell all Demon supporters that we have an equally great exponent.  Last year, 90 minutes  before the first final v Geelong, Harmes and Fritsch amused themselves by having dozens of shots at goal from out on the old cricket pitch area. Harmes landed a few decent long shots. But Bayley  Fritsch was a revelation. He kicked an amazing number of goals using a torp from 60m plus, and they were going through half way up the posts, with unerring accuracy. I've never seen anything like it! In my view Bayley should always play in the forward line.

Things are pretty hopeless aren't they? .Lets have a bit of fun. Put Fritsch on the forward line and tell him to go for it

  • Like 2
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The best was from Hunt after the siren (3qtr time) with the pressure of a real game result to worry about.

In case someone needs reminding:

 

 

It will be a long time before someone beats it in my book.

  • Like 3
  • Love 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

The best was from Hunt after the siren (3qtr time) with the pressure of a real game result to worry about.

In case someone needs reminding:

 

 

It will be a long time before someone beats it in my book.

Was just looking this up to post here as well.  The torp is a thing of beauty when it works... which is maybe 15% of the time.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I wonder if this can be merged into the 'worst team kicking inside 50' thread, as it would seem relevant.

If we only retain posession 1 time in 4 from kicks inside 50, maybe there's no harm in taking the literal long shot once in a while.

If it falls short, well, there's still the possibiltiy of a contest at the drop.

The unrealiability of the torp becomes a variability, an unpredictability, which mixes up our attacks and makes things just that little bit more chaotic.

If our strategy going inside 50 is to have so many happening that the defenders eventually crack and their system breaks down and we come through in 6 goal waves before they are organised again, surely adding that extra factor to consider just adds to the useful chaos.

New team rule: if you take a mark, are within 80m of goal, don't have a clean option, and not too close to the boundary, feel free to launch a torp and see where it lands.

  • Love 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Was just looking this up to post here as well.  The torp is a thing of beauty when it works... which is maybe 15% of the time.

I'm guessing Hunt (and most players) have licence to use it only after the siren and when a long way out.  Nothing to lose so15% is good odds in the circumstances.

Edited by Lucifer's Hero

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

27 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I'm guessing Hunt (and most players) have licence to use it only after the siren and when a long way out.  Nothing to lose so15% is good odds in the circumstances.

Mostly I find AFL coaches the opposite of innovative - particularly in relation to attack/offense -  as mentioned in other posts notably by @binman I believe. The torp of course when pulled off is a thing of beauty, can beat a line of defensive players by 10 yards or so...but as coaches  are risk averse - you'd be dropped for daring to pull it out mid play as a deliberate strategy.

Goodwin was clearly trying some different things - high press, 7/8 players coming off the back square etc - but he is one of the few to test these things out.

Edited by Engorged Onion

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I always assumed the Torpedo Punt wasn't mainstream because of accuracy issues. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Demonland said:

I always assumed the Torpedo Punt wasn't mainstream because of accuracy issues. 

Much harder to mark cleanly too.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
24 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

Mostly I find AFL coaches the opposite of innovative - particularly in relation to attack/offense -  as mentioned in other posts notably by @binman I believe. The torp of course when pulled off is a thing of beauty, can beat a line of defensive players by 10 yards or so...but as coaches  are risk averse - you'd be dropped for daring to pull it out mid play as a deliberate strategy.

Using the torp without a licence from the coach during play cost Dunne his career at the dees (kick in after a point).  iirc he didn't play for us again.  So agree, it would be a brave player to try it in play. 

A time and place for it and Hunt chose it perfectly.  Was very surprised Myers didn't try it vs Swans to win the match last week! 

Edited by Lucifer's Hero

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Farmer said:

In today's Age Malcolm Blight extols the virtues of the torpedo punt, as well he might because he used it magnificently.

i want to tell all Demon supporters that we have an equally great exponent.  Last year, 90 minutes  before the first final v Geelong, Harmes and Fritsch amused themselves by having dozens of shots at goal from out on the old cricket pitch area. Harmes landed a few decent long shots. But Bayley  Fritsch was a revelation. He kicked an amazing number of goals using a torp from 60m plus, and they were going through half way up the posts, with unerring accuracy. I've never seen anything like it! In my view Bayley should always play in the forward line.

Things are pretty hopeless aren't they? .Lets have a bit of fun. Put Fritsch on the forward line and tell him to go for it

What about Lynden Dunn?

Hang on.  We sacked him for torping.

 

If things don’t work out FCS, Melbourne need to go for someone left of centre like a young Blight or Terry Tan.  50 years of a conservative approach has yielded jack shizen.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Have been thinking about this more so this season, teams set up really well in rolling zones. If you can’t get quick ball movement then it tends to lead to turn overs.

Any time you have to hold the ball up from a mark or free kick for too long it clogs up ahead, why not try to get over the back with some torps, ffs it couldn’t be any worse than how we have been doing it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I was at the Goldy on the weekend and Frosty was practicing Torps out of the square pre-game. Most were mongrels unfortunately 😯 but when he hit the sweet spot they launched!! Must be in the repertoire for some at least?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

i would love to see melbourne kickin with a reliable kicker sending a torp down the center of the ground. Surely you could figure out a play where players run to the flanks then double back to the center for the torp. gather bounce kick for goal.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Many years ago i remember a melbourne player who regularly kicking out from full back with a drop kick anyone remember his name?

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
46 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

Have been thinking about this more so this season, teams set up really well in rolling zones. If you can’t get quick ball movement then it tends to lead to turn overs.

Any time you have to hold the ball up from a mark or free kick for too long it clogs up ahead, why not try to get over the back with some torps, ffs it couldn’t be any worse than how we have been doing it.

And have our half forwards play really high,  in the square...  and our deep forwards play higher than normal.  Want decent space over the back of our Tall forwards...  and bring the mosquito's in.

Hopefully,  creating space  behind our deep Key forwards (Preuss and Hunt, with Jeffy at the feet),  and in front of them as well,  which Hunt can lead into, & sometimes up to the centre.

If the  Half-Backs  hang back,  in the hole,  we kick over them,  using the space around the front of the square.    This is where we need our longer kicks, & torp kickers,  in the midfield...  & sometimes Hunt can work in this area, as well.

 

Wings and Half-Backs,  who can  'Bang-a-Torp' on the run,  would be very advantageous thru here, at times.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
31 minutes ago, Deecisive said:

Many years ago i remember a melbourne player who regularly kicking out from full back with a drop kick anyone remember his name?

Phil Rhoden in the ressies. Best drop kick I have seen in 60 years of watching footy.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Tricky said:

I was at the Goldy on the weekend and Frosty was practicing Torps out of the square pre-game. Most were mongrels unfortunately 😯 but when he hit the sweet spot they launched!! Must be in the repertoire for some at least?

I hope he's practicing them,  to perfect them in time.

Maybe we could get a Torp kicking specialist in...  to help our players develop this Kick.

 

Can someone please tell me the new rule on kickins ?  Where does the defender have to stand ?

.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
36 minutes ago, Deecisive said:

Many years ago i remember a melbourne player who regularly kicking out from full back with a drop kick anyone remember his name?

ah,  'Dciv'...   you beat me to it.

... the Old Drop Kick  from the goal square.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

The best was from Hunt after the siren (3qtr time) with the pressure of a real game result to worry about.

In case someone needs reminding:

 

 

It will be a long time before someone beats it in my book.

Absolutely right!  But if Fritsch or Hunt have a shot from 50m , why not give it a go? Apart from anything else it prompts defenders to play further up the field, in case someone kicks goals from 55 m

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, DV8 said:

ah,  'Dciv'...   you beat me to it.

... the Old Drop Kick  from the goal square.

Tas Johnson is your man!

  • Like 2
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I'm guessing Hunt (and most players) have licence to use it only after the siren and when a long way out.  Nothing to lose so15% is good odds in the circumstances.

Barassi always used a torp kicking for goal. It is not hard to kick. If u r kicking for goal  u r not hoping someone will mark the  ball except the kids 15 rows back

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, Farmer said:

Tas Johnson is your man!

I remember Tassie...  from the goal square into,  of just over the centre circle...  when I was just a wee lad.  Primary school days at the footy,  with a younger friend...  Both of us under 11 Yrs of age,  at the footy,  alone. 

Not these days.

.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Farmer said:

Barassi always used a torp kicking for goal. It is not hard to kick. If u r kicking for goal  u r not hoping someone will mark the  ball except the kids 15 rows back

Peter Hudson used a torp for set shots.

Twiggy Dunn used a torp to level scores with 40 sec left  in the famous drawn GF of 1977

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Sign in to follow this  

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Social Media

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles

    JUST AN ABERRATION by Whispering Jack

    Melbourne unveiled its top recruits with new fitness boss Darren Burgess and mid-sized bull Christian Petracca sharing top billing in the team’s Marsh Community Series opener in front of 3,095 football starved fans at Casey Fields and thousands of others watching on screens of various shapes and sizes.  What they saw was a different Melbourne to the one that failed to run out its JLT Series games last year and then crashed in a heap early in the season proper with performances lacking the z

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports 4

    CROWDOWN by Paddy Gosch

    The Demons open their 2020 season account with a "home" game against the Adelaide Crows at Casey Fields. It’s been more than 5 and half agonising months for the team and supporters who are eager to atone for the disappointing 2019 season which saw the Dees go from Preliminary Finalist to 2nd bottom on the ladder. The preseason campaign has been a hard slog with the addition of respected High Performance Manager Darren Burgess. We caught a glimpse of the gut busting sessions in the Melbourne

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    THE YEAR THE SKY FELL by The Oracle

    After a number of years of linear movement up the ladder, the Melbourne Football Club unexpectedly went into serious decline in 2019, slumping from fourth to 17th in a season that coach Simon Goodwin described “a complete wipe-out”. Those around the club who tried to analyse the apocalyptic events that unfolded during the year were hard pressed to find a single reason for the debacle but the most plausible explanation was that the club’s troubles stemmed from a lack of fitness and injuries that

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features

    BACK IN STYLE by Whispering Jack

    From the moment when the Elton John character in the movie “Rocketman” burst into its opening scene dressed as a flamboyant demon on his way to an addiction rehabilitation session, the game was on. Here was yet another film about a person gifted with a meteoric rise to stardom finding coke, booze and a hedonistic lifestyle that led directly to a destructive crash into the abyss. Ultimately, these stories end in total disaster (“A Star is Born”, “Bohemian Rhapsody”, “Judy”) but this one resulted

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features

    THE TRADING CHRONICLES 2019

    PART ONE - OVERTURE  I have a disclaimer at the outset. I’m not a fan of the races - be they horses or motors of any kind. Once the final siren sounds on the football season, I find the month or so that follows and corresponds roughly with the Spring Racing Carnival to be the most boring time of the year for sports fans. You turn on the radio and you’re confronted by the monotonous drone of a self-proclaimed racing expert or by the nasally twang of an ex-jockey banging on about the equine p

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features 8

    CHANGES 2019 by The Oracle

    PART 1 - IT’S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED THIS TIME This year’s free agency, trade and draft period will see the usual drama and upheaval as the AFL’s 18 clubs seek to better their lists in order to challenge for finals and possibly premiership honours. Long before the final siren sounded on the season just over a week ago, the maneuvering was under way with player agents and clubs discussing possible player movements and in some cases, deals had already been done.  Yesterday, the r

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features 2

    HOW FAR SOUTH? by George on the Outer

    It was appropriate that Melbourne was playing its last game of season 2019 in Hobart.  After all, how much further south could the team go? And much as it has done in many of the previous 22 games, the side managed to extract a loss from a winning position by simply giving the ball back to the opposition time and time again. In fact, they gave it back to the opposition to the tune of 53 points from turnovers while, by way of contrast North Melbourne contributed  only 17 points to their oppo

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    COOKED by The Oracle

    I can vividly remember when the Demons ventured onto Blundstone Arena for the first time in early 2016 only to lose to the Kangaroos by 20.11.131 to 21.10.136.    Melbourne was then a team on the up and up: young, enthusiastic and bold. It gave up a huge quarter time deficit after kicking against a strong wind but made that up by half time and fell dramatically short after an exciting high scoring affair.  The team lost no fans that day - they were willing to take the game on and attac

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    HELP by KC rom Casey

    The Casey Demons finished off their home and away season against Frankston at Skybus Stadium on Sunday with a narrow, unconvincing 6-point victory that left the door slightly open for a top eight berth when the VFL finals begin in a fortnight’s time. While sunny skies prevailed over Frankston in the morning, the skies became overcast by noon and heavy waves pounded the bay nearby as the rains came in to greet the players as the game started. And conditions stayed dark and dreary for the rem

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    THANKS BUT NO THANKS by George on the Outer

    Thanks, but no thanks! In a round where the club was supposed to thank their fans for the support during the year, the Melbourne Football Club chose to do otherwise with a 53 point loss to a team that sat 15th on the ladder.  Don’t give us cheap jumpers that can’t be sold in the Demon shop.  Don’t give us vouchers to shop there, give us something on the field, which is why we come to the football in the first place. It was a disgraceful performance, which started with a disgracefu

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    SLEEP OUT AT THE MCG by The Oracle

    Around about 12 months ago Melbourne and Sydney fought out an epic battle between two top eight teams fighting for the best possible ladder position in the lead up to the finals. The Swans triumphed by 9 points at the MCG after the Demons came back from five goals down at three quarter time. But for its poor kicking for goal, Melbourne might well have won the game and finished in the top four. Who knows what might then have happened for the club in September? As a consequence, the person re

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    A LITTLE RAY OF SUNSHINE by KC from Casey

    Two clubs that have been hard hit by injury recently took part in a dour battle under dark clouds and, with intermittent showers falling, it wasn’t a pretty game at Victoria Park on Sunday. Despite all that, the Casey Demons added a little ray of sunshine to their day to get the job done over a "traditional" rival with a 15 point victory over Collingwood VFL that breathed life back into their season. There were a few highlights at the ground that in past days has seen many titanic batt

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

×
×
  • Create New...