Farewell Jesse Hogan

[ding 5,126]

1 hour ago, Deestroy All said:

Have we watched the video? Safe to say we can stop bangin on about alcohol. That’s not the problem. 

The Age video link isnt working.

What did i mss?

 

Edited March 19, 2019 by ding

[number 27 62]

he looks like he's pilling off his head

[rjay 24,677]

At first the Hogan trade looked as though we got unders, surely he was worth 2 first round picks....

We might have even got those picks or equivalent in players and picks if Bell hadn't arrived on the scene.

I think Freo went in with eyes open and took the risk on Jesse.

I would be interested to know if the CEO overrode Bell on the final decision.

He, Bell had cooled on the deal and I don't think that was just a negotiating tactic.

[dazzledavey36 53,314]

The video circulating on social media is just unfortunately not a good look for Hoges. Wonder if Bell has gotten wind of it.

[Sir Why You Little 36,739]

11 minutes ago, number 27 said:

he looks like he's pilling off his head

Absolutely off his box. 

So glad smartphones weren’t around when i was doing that!

[Nasher 33,607]

2 hours ago, Deestroy All said:

Have we watched the video? Safe to say we can stop bangin on about alcohol. That’s not the problem. 

You do have to love how when a player has a problem, clubs paint it as “just” being alcohol, as if alcoholism isn’t a serious problem in our culture as it is.

[ManDee 7,124]

I think Jesse has a few problems. Thankfully they are no longer our problems, good luck to him but I feel he is a troubled soul and looking for answers in all the wrong places. 

[Mach5 4,713]

9 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

The video circulating on social media is just unfortunately not a good look for Hoges. Wonder if Bell has gotten wind of it.

Why do you think Bell publicly announced Hogan’s mental illness issue late yesterday? Out of the interests of transparency? They knew this was coming and wanted to beat the media outlets to the punch. Now, rightly or wrongly, no one can question his actions or decisions without looking like an insensitive uneducated pr*ck.

Freo knew some minor details, but weren’t aware of the whole picture. Bell was posturing for a better deal. He took it beyond the point of no return, then pretended to opt out. Little did he know he was being played. Mahoney made the early announcement because we weren’t going to settle for this deal not getting over the line, and he didn’t want others to interfere and tempt May elsewhere. We dominated the trade period.

[Nasher 33,607]

Has the date of that video published by The Age been confirmed? If not, it is trash journalism at its worst.

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

Hes not the Messiah, hes just a naughty boy.

[Cards13 9,117]

3 hours ago, Flag Favourites 3019 said:

Mental health is a real thing but I’m genuinely concerned AFL clubs are using it as an excuse to protect players who get done for testing positive. Anyone remember buddy and the ‘rumours’ doings the rounds a few years back? As recently as this week we all heard about the shame that is the AFL drugs policy. Mental health is serious and effects so many of our friends and family and it’s such a shame that there’s now a cloud of doubt around AFL players now.

Agree totally but if that video is recent then JH is not in a great state so close to season start if he is doing what it looks like he is.

[John Crow Batty 8,826]

We must have a good gypsy horse trader now working at the club.

Edited March 19, 2019 by america de cali

[Age 483]

1 hour ago, rjay said:

At first the Hogan trade looked as though we got unders, surely he was worth 2 first round picks....

We might have even got those picks or equivalent in players and picks if Bell hadn't arrived on the scene.

I think Freo went in with eyes open and took the risk on Jesse.

I would be interested to know if the CEO overrode Bell on the final decision.

He, Bell had cooled on the deal and I don't think that was just a negotiating tactic.

Look at AFL daily on the herald sun website, quotes exactly that. CEO overruled their recruiting.

[Demonland 70,513]

36 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Has the date of that video published by The Age been confirmed? If not, it is trash journalism at its worst.

I think they've since deleted the video. Wiser heads prevailed 

[TRIGON 4,783]

Haven't seen the video. Saddened to hear that Jessie is not in a good place. Hope he gets the support he needs soon.

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,221]

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

I think they've since deleted the video. Wiser heads prevailed 

One site pulled it another put it back up.

[beelzebub 23,245]

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

I think they've since deleted the video. Wiser heads prevailed 

Once it's out there...it's out there

[Satyriconhome 10,395]

8 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Once it's out there...it's out there

Its out there, because like some sad individuals on here, there is an audience these days for reveling in another's misfortune or misery

[Wrecker45 3,378]

2 hours ago, Nasher said:

You do have to love how when a player has a problem, clubs paint it as “just” being alcohol, as if alcoholism isn’t a serious problem in our culture as it is.

Our list manager seems to be more concerned about moving on our players with drug habits at the moment.

 

[dazzledavey36 53,314]

4 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Its out there, because like some sad individuals on here, there is an audience these days for reveling in another's misfortune or misery

I am a bit confused on this comment, i feel like the commentary on this board has been nothing but sympathy for Hogan. Only us supporters know what he's dealt with and almost in a way that we can totally understand why he is currently in a bit of a rut..

I hope he gets the help he needs.

[beelzebub 23,245]

21 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Its out there, because like some sad individuals on here, there is an audience these days for reveling in another's misfortune or misery

You know what...it's out there because HE did it.

Don't do it..  it doesn't go "out there"

How about some reality here.

[layzie 33,299]

2 hours ago, Nasher said:

You do have to love how when a player has a problem, clubs paint it as “just” being alcohol, as if alcoholism isn’t a serious problem in our culture as it is.

Took the words right out of my mouth. 

[Deemania since 56 6,570]

18 hours ago, Neil Crompton said:

What concern is that to you? Hogan’s private life should be private, and not really relevant to us any more.

.Those without proclivities or assorted challenges are welcome to throw the first stone. Give him a break!

[Diamond_Jim 12,390]

17 hours ago, jnrmac said:

This is not necesssarily aimed at Hogan as we don't exactly what is going on with him but the sporting landscape is littered with supremely talented juniors who fail to transition to a professional sport. There is a drive that is needed to get to the top of sport. Some juniors coast along being better than their peers without putting on a huge amount of effort. Raw talent gets you there as a junior in a lot of sports but they don't have the drive or burning desire.

I would put Watts in that category, like Sylvia. Great talent but inability to transition to a professional sport to excel.

Plenty of others have less talent but a burning desire.

I'd take the second guy every time and I think the Dees are getting better at choosing which players have a better chance of making it.

 

When I read this excellent article in the Guardian today it made me think of this post.

The article is a in depth interview of one of the members of the women's rowing team, Annie Vernon who while expected to take the gold medal at the Beijing Olympics "only"took the silver. She has written a book entitled;

Mind Games: Determination, Doubt and Lucky Socks – An Insider’s Guide to the Psychology of Elite Athletes

The Guardian article is well worth a read but these couple of paragraphs stood out for me:

"Matthew Pinsent, who won rowing gold at four successive Olympic Games, told Vernon that, rather being an unflappable serial winner, he used to wish the van driving him to every major race would crash so he could escape competing. "

 

Vernon has interviewed more than 60 elite athletes, coaches and psychologists from diverse sports to discover how the mind shapes success and failure – while arguing that mental toughness and composure are developed rather than being innate gifts. “The public understand skill development and physical training,” she says. “But they believe elite athletes are born without nerves and with massive confidence. It’s not true. The idea that rugby players are born to run out in front of 80,000 people at Twickenham? Of course they’re not. They learn how to do that. My interviewees all said: ‘You’re absolutely spot on. There’s this misconception that mental skills are there at birth. But they have to be made.’”

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/mar/18/annie-vernon-olympic-gb-rowing-silver-interview-donald-mcrae

 

[ManDee 7,124]

So much angst & truculence today. Are we all feeling toey? 

Bring on the footy.

Go Dees!