Sam Murray under ASADA Investigation

[SFebes 4,692]

For all the fair criticism WCE and ESS get, time to start putting the heat on COLL. Definitely no angels.

[Moonshadow 16,193]

3 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

no...not performance enhancing... like the Saad energy drink ... different rules

From The Age:

"The substance in question is understood to be an illicit drug, which is classified as performance enhancing on match day only. Had he recorded a positive test during the week, he would merely have a strike recorded against him under the AFL's illicit drugs code."

If it's in his system on match day it's considered a PED. To my mind, when he took it is a poor excuse. Was he tested on match day? If so, it should be 2 years.

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 5,805]

Is this a sign? Cmon the Freo Dockers, send them into turmoil.

[Cards13 9,117]

30 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Peter Gordon on ABC:

Drug was banned on match day only... Defence may be that it was not taken within 24 hours of playing

But if you’re still over the limit on match day that doesn’t matter does it? 

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 5,805]

4 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

But if you’re still over the limit on match day that doesn’t matter does it? 

Is there even such a test to determine when its was taken? In terms of hours taken before a game?

Edited August 24, 2018 by Win4theAges

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,154]

3 minutes ago, Win4theAges said:

Is there even such a test to determine when its was taken? In terms of hours taken before a game?

It doesn’t matter- if it’s there, it’s there.  That’s the only test that matters.

 

Not really buying the ‘but it’s only banned on match day’ line (pardon the pun).  This drug is in fact banned 24/7, 365 and 1/4 days of the year.  Murray’s either an addict who cannot help himself and needs immediate intervention, or he is a complete and utter moron.

[old dee 22,854]

38 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

od, i think the too-hard-basket got replaced by a 40m3 skip years ago

Sounds  accurate DC.

Edited August 24, 2018 by old dee

[old dee 22,854]

4 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

It doesn’t matter- if it’s there, it’s there.  That’s the only test that matters.

 

Not really buying the ‘but it’s only banned on match day’ line (pardon the pun).  This drug is in fact banned 24/7, 365 and 1/4 days of the year.  Murray’s either an addict who cannot help himself and needs immediate intervention, or he is a complete and utter moron.

Probably both TPF39.

[chook fowler 18,242]

What a goose. 

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 5,805]

43 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

It doesn’t matter- if it’s there, it’s there.  That’s the only test that matters.

 

Not really buying the ‘but it’s only banned on match day’ line (pardon the pun).  This drug is in fact banned 24/7, 365 and 1/4 days of the year.  Murray’s either an addict who cannot help himself and needs immediate intervention, or he is a complete and utter moron.

Thats how I've always viewed it TPF39, anything in the system that is tested on Game day, whether it be taken on a Thursday night but still detected on sat arvo is gone.

Edited August 24, 2018 by Win4theAges

[chook fowler 18,242]

I hear his defence will be that he took a deep breath while standing next to the Cheer Squad.

[Ethan Tremblay 28,391]

If it’s in your system on match day it doesn’t matter when you took it.... 

Love a good forum defence lawyer.

Edited August 24, 2018 by Ethan Tremblay

[chook fowler 18,242]

The Pies should lose points for that match. 

[Miles from Nowhere 199]

Wow, hold the front page.  Millennial does drugs - who woulda thunk it?  Clear him to Port.

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 5,805]

9 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

The Pies should lose points for that match. 

Was probably on it when they played us.

#takethepointsofthem

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

No wonder Gary Pert decided to leave them and come over to the light......

[What 18,810]

Wow I thought he was some VFL player... didnt realize he drug tested after an AFL match.

Did they win the game he played in?      If they won that game and Gillon McLachlan doesn't strip their 4 points by the end of the day,  he has to step down.

[Philthy 284]

4 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Wow I thought he was some VFL player... didnt realize he drug tested after an AFL match.

Did they win the game he played in?      If they won that game and Gillon McLachlan doesn't strip their 4 points by the end of the day,  he has to step down.

Was this after the Port Adelaide match? This could have HUGE ramifications on the 8!

[Deemania since 56 6,141]

3 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Imagine if one of his teammates also had tested pos and WADA came down hard on Collingwood for 2 pos players! AFL kick them out of the finals like Essendrug was. Melbourne beat GWS on Sunday and finish top 4!

Justice is a surprising reward, at times. There is no alternative - if the AFL is appropriately sensitive to performance enhancement substances as we must all expect it to be. Number crunching and escalation aside....

[daisycutter 28,531]

8 minutes ago, Philthy said:

Was this after the Port Adelaide match? This could have HUGE ramifications on the 8!

it will be months before he is found guilty/cleared

long after the finals

afl can't act until due process is completed

[old dee 22,854]

4 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

it will be months before he is found guilty/cleared

long after the finals

afl can't act until due process is completed

How fortunate for them dc!

[Dee Zephyr 17,498]

27 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Wow I thought he was some VFL player... didnt realize he drug tested after an AFL match.

Did they win the game he played in?      If they won that game and Gillon McLachlan doesn't strip their 4 points by the end of the day,  he has to step down.

Barrett on the AFL site says the match was ‘possibly’ the game against Richmond on July 28.

Edited August 24, 2018 by Dee Zephyr

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4 hours ago, monoccular said:

Clearly the club needs total disqualification, meaning that MFC, should they win on Sunday, would finish fourth ??

But seriously looking forward to McChinny spin on this.  

Sam Murray tested positive after Collingwood v Richmond.

For this game and all games that he played in after that Collingwood should be stripped of those points, that is 4 wins so they should be stripped of 16 points taking them back to 40 points dropping them to 12th.

Seriously the AFL needs to put this action in place on the basis that this is ASADA testing, before we go down the Essendon path.

[daisycutter 28,531]

3 minutes ago, JAG001 said:

Sam Murray tested positive after Collingwood v Richmond.

For this game and all games that he played in after that Collingwood should be stripped of those points, that is 4 wins so they should be stripped of 16 points taking them back to 40 points dropping them to 12th.

Seriously the AFL needs to put this action in place on the basis that this is ASADA testing, before we go down the Essendon path.

an understandable opinion

but see post #47 above

[monoccular 16,072]

4 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Peter Gordon on ABC:

Drug was banned on match day only... Defence may be that it was not taken within 24 hours of playing

In his system on match day, Peter.  Nice try. 

3 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

It doesn’t matter- if it’s there, it’s there.  That’s the only test that matters.

 

Not really buying the ‘but it’s only banned on match day’ line (pardon the pun).  This drug is in fact banned 24/7, 365 and 1/4 days of the year.  Murray’s either an addict who cannot help himself and needs immediate intervention, or he is a complete and utter moron.

Or, or and?