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Darwin game dumped

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14 hours ago, don't make me angry said:

Too much is made of the whether in Darwin, you say last year we won a week after Darwin, but lost 2  weeks later, the second game after Darwin has nothing as o do with playing in Darwin, today whether is low 19 high 32, humidity of 19%, that's not high humidity, we play at night where the temp is around 19 to 23, with low humidity. Being flat after Darwin has more to do with a young   inexperienced side fading out towards a long season. We will sell more home games, after the pokies are sold 10 million dollars of revenue  will be loste, hate pokies but the do gooders will not give us money for giving them up. We are getting good crowds that we are playing well, but that won't last for ever, when we are rebuilding again the crowds will drop, and the club will lose millions of dollars, before we got Bentley club we lost millons every year, we only started making profit after we got the club,  

We don't know about that. My suspicion has always been that giving up the pokies was the price to be paid for getting State and/or Federal government support (cash and perhaps expedited planning approval) for our new admin and training base, wherever that might be. And if we can make money out of the new site as well, all the better.

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    26 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    We don't know about that. My suspicion has always been that giving up the pokies was the price to be paid for getting State and/or Federal government support (cash and perhaps expedited planning approval) for our new admin and training base, wherever that might be. And if we can make money out of the new site as well, all the better.

    Yep, same with me.  In fact if we get the property near Jolimont station as suggested, and if we own this building cafe, bar, medical suites equals $$$$$ through commercial rent.

    Darwin, we would get 25-30K at a home game V Fremantle at the MCG.  We would get 30-40K V Adelaide this year at the MCG, I think we are past the concern that we would get under 20K for a home game like we have in the past V interstate clubs.  The AFL would like us to play these clubs at the MCG as they all complain they don't get enough games there.

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    On 6/22/2018 at 9:37 AM, drdrake said:

    Yep, same with me.  In fact if we get the property near Jolimont station as suggested, and if we own this building cafe, bar, medical suites equals $$$$$ through commercial rent.

    Darwin, we would get 25-30K at a home game V Fremantle at the MCG.  We would get 30-40K V Adelaide this year at the MCG, I think we are past the concern that we would get under 20K for a home game like we have in the past V interstate clubs.  The AFL would like us to play these clubs at the MCG as they all complain they don't get enough games there

    it is not going to happen giving up pokies has nothing to do with getting planing approval, and even if a government give a promise to give you planning approval, you can't trust it is going to happen, there is a election coming up new governments don't honor promises the last government make.

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    On 6/22/2018 at 9:37 AM, drdrake said:

    Darwin, we would get 25-30K at a home game V Fremantle at the MCG.  We would get 30-40K V Adelaide this year at the MCG, I think we are past the concern that we would get under 20K for a home game like we have in the past V interstate clubs.  The AFL would like us to play these clubs at the MCG as they all complain they don't get enough games there.

    Good in theory, but we'll cop a home game at Etihad if we leave the NT deal. We'd be lucky to get 15K for any of GWS, GC17 or Freo there.

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    We win at Etihad.... recovery a tad better too ;)

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    17 hours ago, poita said:

    Good in theory, but we'll cop a home game at Etihad if we leave the NT deal. We'd be lucky to get 15K for any of GWS, GC17 or Freo there.

    No we won't, as I stated in my post interstate clubs are crying to the AFL for more home games at the MCG.  The AFL doesn't want Richmond/Collingwood/Hawthorn playing to many interstate clubs at the MCG all about attendances.  Dump Darwin, get Adelaide or WCE at the G, play Port or Freo in Alice. 

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    On 6/22/2018 at 9:37 AM, drdrake said:

    Yep, same with me.  In fact if we get the property near Jolimont station as suggested, and if we own this building cafe, bar, medical suites equals $$$$$ through commercial rent.

    Darwin, we would get 25-30K at a home game V Fremantle at the MCG.  We would get 30-40K V Adelaide this year at the MCG, I think we are past the concern that we would get under 20K for a home game like we have in the past V interstate clubs.  The AFL would like us to play these clubs at the MCG as they all complain they don't get enough games there.

    Nice sentiment, but imo on a 12 deg, wet winter twilight game at the G vs Freo, Port, Brisbane or GCS we would be lucky to draw 20,000. I haven't checked figures from a range of attendances of interstate teams vs lowly supported Vic teams (like us) this year at the G.

    And would the property above the Jolimont rail line be ours or would we lease the development from the govt? The state and/or federal govt would need to tip in at least half of the money needed to build. Not sure they'd give us ownership as well.

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    24 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

    Nice sentiment, but imo on a 12 deg, wet winter twilight game at the G vs Freo, Port, Brisbane or GCS we would be lucky to draw 20,000. I haven't checked figures from a range of attendances of interstate teams vs lowly supported Vic teams (like us) this year at the G.

    And would the property above the Jolimont rail line be ours or would we lease the development from the govt? The state and/or federal govt would need to tip in at least half of the money needed to build. Not sure they'd give us ownership as well.

    Govts tip in taxpayer money to sporting boondoggles all the time.

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    anything above tracks is a curiosity of sorts..  reminds me a little of how it works in China where NO  ONE owns the land but they might own whats on it...and have the right by a lease  to have it there.

    My understanding is you can buy air space but NOT above tracks...there it is a lease...invariably 99 years. The chattels are yours in the normal commercial manner...so YOU reap any benefit other than the outgoing of the air-lease

    This is NO reason not to consider this scenario.

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    On 6/20/2018 at 7:30 PM, Supermercado said:

    For all those hoping for the MCG, from three weeks ago...

     

    WTF. Before he leaves we need a better  deal on OUR HOME GROUND.  The rest are tennants for god's  sake. 

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    43 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

    Nice sentiment, but imo on a 12 deg, wet winter twilight game at the G vs Freo, Port, Brisbane or GCS we would be lucky to draw 20,000. I haven't checked figures from a range of attendances of interstate teams vs lowly supported Vic teams (like us) this year at the G.

    And would the property above the Jolimont rail line be ours or would we lease the development from the govt? The state and/or federal govt would need to tip in at least half of the money needed to build. Not sure they'd give us ownership as well.

    The government has basically built facilities for every other AFL club that they take ownership of, look at the facility for Collingwood the massive social/function room over looking the oval, imagine the cash they bring in from that before and after matches plus functions through out the year.  

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    Hot Sauce:

    - NT games to continue. Basically have no choice (financially and we're in too deep with sponsorship/relationships etc). Didn't specify Darwin, but I got the impression it was status quo (no rolling over or laying down).

    - Both games are either NT or Docklands, definitely not MCG.

    Hot Sauce knows, not guessing. 

    Over.

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    On 6/20/2018 at 9:49 AM, dl4e said:

    Playing in Darwin is a joke. 

    I beg to differ - jokes are (supposed to be) funny.

    On 6/20/2018 at 11:15 AM, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    Travelling from Melbourne to Alice Springs is approx 1,888 km whereas Melbourne to Perth is about 2,700 km. Since we won our last flag, West Coast has won three while travelling to Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane far more than we ever have to travel. The excuse that we are 'flat' because we have to travel to Alice Springs doesn't wash with me. (Darwin, on the other hand, is problematic, not because of the distance but because of the conditions.)  

    Agree.  Too many here seem to equate Darwin to Alice but they are poles apart

    21 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

    Nice sentiment, but imo on a 12 deg, wet winter twilight game at the G vs Freo, Port, Brisbane or GCS we would be lucky to draw 20,000. I haven't checked figures from a range of attendances of interstate teams vs lowly supported Vic teams (like us) this year at the G.

    And would the property above the Jolimont rail line be ours or would we lease the development from the govt? The state and/or federal govt would need to tip in at least half of the money needed to build. Not sure they'd give us ownership as well.

    They have given Geelong a massive boost, but of course that is a very marginal area electorally I believe.

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    16 hours ago, General Malaise said:

    Hot Sauce:

    - NT games to continue. Basically have no choice (financially and we're in too deep with sponsorship/relationships etc). Didn't specify Darwin, but I got the impression it was status quo (no rolling over or laying down).

    - Both games are either NT or Docklands, definitely not MCG.

    Hot Sauce knows, not guessing. 

    Over.

    Well I would cop Etihad instead of Darwin. We have to put winning games first and money will follow. This game just stuffs us up and it is for more than 1 week.

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    Big fail from PJ unfortunately. 

    If we really had to play two games in the NT to make money,  then both should have been in Alice Springs.  

    Darwin tropical conditions will end our season.. if not the actual game vs Freo, the game after against the Dogs.

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    It is a joke playing in Darwin

    it will stuff up each season until it is banished. 

    Opposition sides playing us after the darwin game for 2-3 weeks must love it

     

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    It's frustrating that on one hand we put so much time, effort and resources - financial and otherwise - into winning, and on the other we then sell home games.

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    Actually after yesterday maybe we should move more games to venues where I will not be tempted to waste my time and emotional energy by trying to attend.    :-((((

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    Id feel a lot more confident playing freo without fyfe or sandilands at the G than Darwin. I don't mond keeping the alice springs game but happy to ditch darwin even though it's a nice escape in our winter. 

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    i want us to dump them so we get more MCG games. The fatigue factor is rubbish. We've been crap the whole time we've played up there and we somehow attribute [censored] performances with playing in humid conditions. Maybe it was just because we're an average team? What's our excuse for our performances against Hawthorn, Richmond, Collingwood, and St Kilda?

     

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    We should 100% be getting out of Darwin, even if it means a home game at Etihad.

    The Etihad home game thing will disappear eventually, either when the current contractual requirement for a minimum number of games there ends, or when the interstate clubs pressure the AFL into getting more games at the G given the GF deal that's been done.

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    I wonder what the players think about playing up in Darwin. Aside from the obvious physical effects, the potential impact on morale must also have some consequence. A happy team surely performs better. But then again the players may not have an issue with it and I have no idea of knowing...

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    On 6/28/2018 at 4:31 PM, beelzebub said:

    We win at Etihad.... recovery a tad better too ;)

    We win in the Alice as well.

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