What is the Weid's role

[chook fowler 19,459]

He’s one of the better kicks for goal in our side which is a plus.

[Diamond_Jim 12,599]

Just wondering is there any other team that plays 3 talls in their forward line. We also play Fritsch who has a strong overhead marking ability.

WCE, Adelaide and GWS certainly play two talls that immediately spring to mind but I cannot think of any that play three recognised talls.

 

[rjay 24,998]

6 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

WCE, Adelaide and GWS certainly play two talls that immediately spring to mind but I cannot think of any that play three recognised talls.

Adelaide play 3 & a half...

Tex, Jane, McGovern & Lynch.

[rjay 24,998]

Weideman is a natural footballer.

He shows it when he's around the ball, very quick hands in close and usually makes the right decision.

This is in addition to his ability in the air which will improve over the next few seasons plus he doesn't mind sticking a hard tackle.

[The Chief 697]

4 hours ago, Thrice said:

The way I see it is that he is that his role is highly structural. We want to play a territory game and he creates a contest every time the ball comes near him. If he doesn't take a mark he is quick at ground level and instinctively tackles to force a stoppage and reset. He rarely gets beaten. As his confidence and strength grows he will clunk a few more marks, he has decent timing in the air.

His chop out ruck work is serviceable, which frees up Tommy to roam the wings when going through the midfield. 

I have a feeling the coaches would be quite pleased with how he is going. 

Yesterday he had 2 tackles and no hit outs. 

[Red and Blue realist 2,051]

58 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Just wondering is there any other team that plays 3 talls in their forward line. We also play Fritsch who has a strong overhead marking ability.

WCE, Adelaide and GWS certainly play two talls that immediately spring to mind but I cannot think of any that play three recognised talls.

 

I don't think you can really say we play 3 talls in the forward line, yes Hogan, TMac and Weid are 3 tall who mainly play forward, but with TMac and Hogan wandering so far and Weid doing the chop out in the ruck it'd be very rare that they ever are in there at the same time. Others have said it, but Weid gives those 2 the chance to use their tanks and get up around the ball or be the distributors between the 50s, while keeping our structure right within the forward 50.

I can see a game or 2 this year where Weid could kick 3/4/5 goals in the same mode Jenkins does with Adelaide, getting a massive mismatch with the best defenders trying to take Hogan and TMac - not sure he'll get the same over the top easy ones that Jenkins gets.

[Gator 17,383]

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Just wondering is there any other team that plays 3 talls in their forward line. We also play Fritsch who has a strong overhead marking ability.

WCE, Adelaide and GWS certainly play two talls that immediately spring to mind but I cannot think of any that play three recognised talls.

 

They're not normally inside the 50 at the same time.

They orchestrate it that it's usually only two.

[DEE fence 5,029]

What I love is that normally when you try three tall fwds you get burnt by the lack of mobility.  However for us having Hogan and Tmac who are both super mobile we have created a match up nightmare for the opposition. This is only going to get better. 

[Deemania since 56 6,661]

6 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

I’m not an expert but....

I’d like to see the Weed play out of the square and I think we should bring Jeffy back in and play him at his feet. Then have  Hogan and TMac rotating between pushing up the ground and TMac swapping with Gawn in the ruck. I’d instruct our mids to try and hit him up on the lead rather than bomb in it to him. We know he can take a high mark but we shouldn’t be relying on it. The next weeks gives us the perfect opportunity to try this.

Essentially sound and difficult for an opposition to counter or defend against. 

[defuture15 899]

I remember watching Weid get double and triple teamed last year like Hoges when he started!

Because we were so bad at marking around the ground last year they have now used TMac and Hoges to make this a strength. I did hope that weid would be doing this role as he is not developed yet.

We saw a couple of marks from him against the bummers that show that he can do it without having to be the forward target. IMHO I think that the coaches have got it right and we just need to play 50 games with these structures. Having medium players that mark well overhead is adding to our scoring and defensive pressure too. 

[DeeSpencer 25,752]

2 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Just wondering is there any other team that plays 3 talls in their forward line. We also play Fritsch who has a strong overhead marking ability.

WCE, Adelaide and GWS certainly play two talls that immediately spring to mind but I cannot think of any that play three recognised talls.

 

Adelaide - Walker, Jenkins, McGovern
West Coast - Kennedy, Lycett, Darling
GWS - Patton, Cameron, Himmelberg
Port have played 3 or even 4 at times. 
Cats had Hawkins, Esava and Menzel who plays like a tall.

Usually the third tall is more around the low to mid 190's and a mobile target with good defensive skills. 

It's the defensive skills that will undo our 3 tall set up. Especially given we don't have established smalls in that role. 4 tackles inside 50 was a poor result against the Saints.

Bugg and Garlett are rightfully out of the side due to lack of skill/lack of contest. Kent injured. ANB struggling. Spargo looks good but he's more suited as a half forward with some good pressure skills. Petracca has the agility to defend really well, time to show it. Hannan inconsistent in his pressure, as is Melksham, he's not a natural at it. 

The other weakness with our talls is none of the 3 seem suited as good inside 50 kicks. Jack Riewoldt, Hawkins and Walker are right up there with the best in the comp for kicking to a lead inside 50.

[tiers 2,842]

Three talls who can play multiple roles in multiple areas of the ground and who can rotate are potentially a nightmare for other defences.  The mismatches that three mobile talls can create mean that, for the first time in many seasons, opponents will have to possibly weaken their structures to try and counter ours.

Let them play together as many games as possible. As the late Dean Bailey once stated, to build a team they must play 50-70 games together. He was right - look at the rise of Geelong, Hawthorn and then Richmond that was built on many years playing together.

Sooner or later we have to take the plunge and prepare for the future. Go dees.

[Demonland 72,391]

I want to see more of this.

 

[What 18,810]

51 minutes ago, Demonland said:

I want to see more of this.

 

Oh its coming.   And when the floodgates open the kid will be a star.

20 year old KPF whos now learning ruck at AFL level ....  a very tough gig at a very young age but hes getting there.

He was directly responsible for three straight goals in the 2nd half.. he kicked 2 in a row himself then handballed to Oliver for a goal.

Edited May 7, 2018 by Petraccattack

[Demonland 72,391]

1 hour ago, Petraccattack said:

He was directly responsible for three straight goals in the 2nd half.. he kicked 2 in a row himself then handballed to Oliver for a goal.

The handball to Oliver was superb. 

[Jibroni 5,004]

We need to remind ourselves is only played 13 games and was always behind the 8ball when he started (coming off long term injury).

He has made solid progress this year and will be one of our most improved players by the end of this year. You can write that down Jimmy.

[deelete my account 1,194]

why is the convo weid for garlett? id have thought the missing piece is a fired up jeffy with fritsch taking anb's km clocking spot at high half fwd. I thought it was evident that ANB had no goalkicking nous yesterday and did not take his opportunities. I was wrong about Weid, he's developing nicely.

Edited May 7, 2018 by Doodle Dee

[640MD 3,383]

Ok I can agree he has improved 

showed a bit yesterday and while pedo is a bit heavier and hits packs harder Weideman has him covered in potential and youth. Don’t think he was best 22 at the start of this season but natural improvement will mean he will be at the end. Might be very important if we make September   Once again the FD and others on this site are smarter or have more footy nous than me.  So be it 

Go Dees

[deanox 9,945]

3 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Is that not Tom Macs primary role?

Not disagreeing by the way but just trying to understand how we rank his success or otherwise as a role player.

He is listed as having zero hitouts for yesterday's game. Not sure how much time he spent in the ruck.

I don't believe that stat. I'm sure I saw him get a few. 

[DV8 2,271]

10 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Weid has now had two games and undoubtedly he will play the next two.

Interested in hearing from the experts what is the Weid's role in a team including McDonald and Hogan.

Simply relieving in the ruck is not adequate and if it is we need to start ranking his hit out efficiency. Is he a decoy forward or a linkman perhaps?

This post is not meant to be a criticism of the Weid or for that matter a case for the inclusion of Pederson ( he would face the same problem of finding a defined role).

sort of, 12th man. carry the drinks...  while he learns the caper at AFL level.  To grow in confidence; and to compete and assist, whenever he can, is my guess.

 

I think he will go out of the team when Viney is ready, to resume.

[Diamond_Jim 12,599]

4 minutes ago, deanox said:

I don't believe that stat. I'm sure I saw him get a few. 

Here's the link:

http://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2018/7/stk-v-melb

[Willmoy1947 4,104]

Whatever he's doing he'll be giving McGuire, and every other old Magpie fogie, the absolute SH##S

[DV8 2,271]

3 hours ago, defuture15 said:

I remember watching Weid get double and triple teamed last year like Hoges when he started!

Because we were so bad at marking around the ground last year they have now used TMac and Hoges to make this a strength. I did hope that weid would be doing this role as he is not developed yet.

We saw a couple of marks from him against the bummers that show that he can do it without having to be the forward target. IMHO I think that the coaches have got it right and we just need to play 50 games with these structures. Having medium players that mark well overhead is adding to our scoring and defensive pressure too. 

Weide is a Mobile tall, who of our 3 talls, is ideal deep. and rucking.

With the possibility of both TMc and Hogan pushing high into the midfield to assist with transition, we have a mighty powerful Mid-Section on the way, for us.

 

The engines on both TMC and Hogan will leave opposition defenders breathless. Ideal for the high half-forward roles; IMO.

 

I think we have found a new midfield recruit, to cover wattshisface's role. jesse.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

His best performance to date!!  Only a smidgen off the output of T-Mac.   Keep him in for the next three weeks at least.

His game on Sunday had to be a confidence builder.  Hopefully the next two also as well as building some decent AFL match fitness while honing his skill execution under heat.

Unless he has two shockers in the coming two rounds, he should also be allowed to go on the road against the Crows in 3 weeks to see whether he stands up against a genuine contender and great opportunity to get some further games experience under his belt.

Chopping and changing at this point is not justified on Sunday's performance and will only dent his confidence levels and the game against the Crows will provide a better understanding of where his game is at.

[DV8 2,271]

5 hours ago, rjay said:

Weideman is a natural footballer.

He shows it when he's around the ball,

very quick hands in close and usually makes the right decision.

This is in addition to his ability in the air which will improve over the next few seasons plus he doesn't mind sticking a hard tackle.

spot on, rjay

 

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