Melbourne player investigated over alleged assault whilst overseas

[DeeSpencer 26,273]

2 minutes ago, demon-4-life said:

Let's just hope the person making the allegations is ok. Can't imagine the pain or trauma someone goes through when something like this occurs. Whether guilty or innocent, they felt the need to come forward. Hope the club and Afl ensure her wellbeing is the number 1 priority.

everyhing else is second

I know this is self serving as a fan of the MFC but I hate that it leaks because I can't see it doing the girl any favours at all.

Vic Police can't do anything to investigate. 
Indonesian police are the correct channel but who knows what they'll do.
The AFL might investigate if a complain is made to them but surely shouldn't get involved until legal avenues are pursued. 

Not sure how any of it going public helps.

[praha 11,253]

Argh....I immediately think "this club is cursed" but then I'm reminded someone may have been assaulted sexually and the football is secondary.

I just can't fathom how anyone could assault a woman against her will. It's so foreign to me, the idea that would force yourself on someone. I'll admit I've made [censored] advances on women in the past and made them visibly uncomfortable, I'm sure we all have, but once I've realised I've always backed off.

Problem for this woman is that it's a legal matter for Indonesian police. There's little Vic police could do except refer it to the department in that jurisdiction.

11 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I know this is self serving as a fan of the MFC but I hate that it leaks because I can't see it doing the girl any favours at all.

Vic Police can't do anything to investigate. 
Indonesian police are the correct channel but who knows what they'll do.
The AFL might investigate if a complain is made to them but surely shouldn't get involved until legal avenues are pursued. 

Not sure how any of it going public helps.

Have you been raped before? I'm sure that if you'v been treated that way by a person in power, you'll do everything you can to ruin them. The girl has to know that this havng happened in bali means the player will almost certainly never face the law.

[Gator 17,972]

13 minutes ago, demon-4-life said:

Let's just hope the person making the allegations is ok. Can't imagine the pain or trauma someone goes through when something like this occurs. Whether guilty or innocent, they felt the need to come forward. Hope the club and Afl ensure her wellbeing is the number 1 priority.

everyhing else is second

I think it's too early for these sentiments. 

I'd at least want to know the allegations, circumstances, etc.

My sympathy will be determined by the facts.  Right now it may, or may not be warranted. 

[machine11 142]

Nobody knows and probably we never will

[KingDingAling 3,758]

1 minute ago, ProDee said:

I think it's too early for these sentiments. 

I'd at least want to know the allegations, circumstances, etc.

My sympathy will be determined by the facts.  Right now it may, or may not be warranted. 

I like your style.

[Bitter but optimistic 22,289]

5 minutes ago, praha said:

Argh....I immediately think "this club is cursed" but then I'm reminded someone may have been assaulted sexually and the football is secondary.

I just can't fathom how anyone could assault a woman against her will. It's so foreign to me, the idea that would force yourself on someone. I'll admit I've made [censored] advances on women in the past and made them visibly uncomfortable, I'm sure we all have, but once I've realised I've always backed off.

Problem for this woman is that it's a legal matter for Indonesian police. There's little Vic police could do except refer it to the department in that jurisdiction.

Have you been raped before? I'm sure that if you'v been treated that way by a person in power, you'll do everything you can to ruin them. The girl has to know that this havng happened in bali means the player will almost certainly never face the law.

Let's not jump to conclusions here! Sexual assault can mean many things. 

We have no idea what , if anything, happened.

[praha 11,253]

Just now, Bitter but optimistic said:

Let's not jump to conclusions here! Sexual assault can mean many things. 

We have no idea what , if anything, happened.

true...same goes though. "rape" is never used in legal or media reports.

[sue 9,193]

2 minutes ago, ProDee said:

I think it's too early for these sentiments. 

I'd at least want to know the allegations, circumstances, etc.

My sympathy will be determined by the facts.  Right now it may, or may not be warranted. 

Not often I agree with ProDee on these sorts of things, but I do here.

[64" 97]

Lets see the facts before crucifixions!!!

[Lucifers Hero 40,516]

24 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I know this is self serving as a fan of the MFC but I hate that it leaks because I can't see it doing the girl any favours at all.

Five possible sources for the leak to the media:

1. The girl
2. The player
3. MFC
4. The Police
5. The AFL Integrity Unit

I would be shattered if it was from withing MFC. 

I would have my money on the so called Integrity Unit. 

In my book, the leaking of a personal matter to the media is a sackable offence.

[KingDingAling 3,758]

Just now, Lucifer's Hero said:

Five possible sources for the leak to the media:

1. The girl
2. The player
3. MFC
4. The Police
5. The AFL Integrity Unit

I would be shattered if it was from withing MFC. 

I would have my money on the so called Integrity Unit. 

In my book, the leaking of a personal matter to the media is a sackable offence.

I don't think it would be from within the integrity unit. The AFL could do without this story.

[w00dy 146]

Got some reliable word on this.  Won't post it for obvious reasons - but it's bad.

Edited December 21, 2017 by w00dy

[dees189227 12,453]

Im just sick of the negative news.last week it was about the players cancelling the boot camp and now this. 

I  would have thought after the embarrassment of last season and how we stuffed it up it would be head down do some hard work. 

[Ethan Tremblay 31,243]

5 minutes ago, w00dy said:

Got some reliable word on this.  Won't post it for obvious reasons - but it's bad.

We will just have to wait and see. Personally I’m not going to get worked up over what could potentially be a vexatious complaint.

Edited December 21, 2017 by Ethan Tremblay

[John Crow Batty 8,880]

And I thought after Jack Watts left it would be a no news off season.

[Ethan Tremblay 31,243]

15 minutes ago, america de cali said:

And I thought after Jack Watts left it would be a no news off season.

I blame Jack Watts. 

Edited December 21, 2017 by Ethan Tremblay

[Gator 17,972]

10 minutes ago, w00dy said:

Got some reliable word on this.  Won't post it for obvious reasons - but it's bad.

The quality of the player or the seriousness of the allegation ?

[praha 11,253]

8 minutes ago, ProDee said:

The quality of the player or the seriousness of the allegation ?

how much more serious can you get on the sexual assault scale than...sexual assault?

[Ethan Tremblay 31,243]

2 minutes ago, praha said:

how much more serious can you get on the sexual assault scale than...sexual assault?

There’s different types of sexual assault - sexual penetration without consent (rape), indecent assault, indecent act etc etc.

Edited December 21, 2017 by Ethan Tremblay

[gregdemon 628]

NO one can shoot themselves in the foot  like my mob....again Fair bloody dinkum  !!!!

[martin 727]

What Boot Camp!?

[Emerald 1,744]

Might end up a prison camp.

[Gator 17,972]

2 minutes ago, praha said:

how much more serious can you get on the sexual assault scale than...sexual assault?

Is this a serious question ?

There's grabbing an arse, there's grabbing a breast Wayne Carey style, there's exposing oneself, there's rape, and no doubt many other sexual assaults.

Some are jail worthy under the law and some render fines.

There are degrees of everything. 

Let's wait for the facts. 

[faultydet 7,623]

7 minutes ago, praha said:

how much more serious can you get on the sexual assault scale than...sexual assault?

From the Centre Against Sexual Assault web page

Examples of sexual assault include:

Stalking e.g. repeatedly being followed or watched by someone;

Rape e.g. being forced to have vaginal, anal or oral sex'

Unwanted touching e.g. pinching, patting, embracing, rubbing, groping, flicking, kissing, fondling, being touched on the breasts, bum, legs etc;

Sexual harassment e.g. dirty jokes or rude comments about a person's sex life;

Obscene gestures e.g. simulating masturbation in front of a person;

Voyeurism e.g. being watched doing intimate things without permission;

Unwanted sexual comments or jokes e.g. comments about a person's body or relationships;

Sex-related insults e.g. calling someone a [censored], dyke, homo, slag etc;

Pressuring for dates or demand for sex e.g. invitations that turn into threats or not taking 'no' for an answer;

Indecent exposure e.g. someone showing private parts of their body or 'flashing' their genitals;

Being forced to watch or participate in porn e.g. taking a photo without permission, forcing someone to be on video, making someone watch a pornographic movie;

Offensive written material e.g. dirty notes, letters, phone messages, emails, SMS, pictures;

Incest/intrafamilial child sexual assault e.g. a family member e.g. father or brother engaging in sexual activity with a child or young person;

Unwanted, offensive and invasive interpersonal communication through technologies such as mobile phones, internet social networking sites and email.

 

 

Might need the facts hey?

[DeeZee 7,445]

Looks like no charges will be laid