Trade rumours

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

17 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Honestly don't think it's anyone. We'll get Lever and possibly Balic. Usually by now you hear what names we're sniffing around, but these two are the only ones we've heard so far.

Nahhh.

To state what you have with such confidence is a bit silly given how crazy trade week is when it’s underway.

Edited October 3, 2017 by stevethemanjordan

[Clintosaurus 6,439]

1 hour ago, Roger Mellie said:

My stab in the dark is Dalhaus

That's who I was thinking. He was mentioned many pages back in this thread. Macrae would be a good get but very much doubt the Dogs would let him go. Will go close to winning the Dogs B+F which is on tonight.

[Cheap Seats 3,300]

9 minutes ago, the fork said:

Yeah ... just like Lewis last year ...

Which was unexpected. 

It wasnt plannned. he approached us.

Loke i said. Unless something crazy happens i wont be surprised if nothig else happens

[trout 385]

21 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

At least the Hogan crap seems to have gone away 

Fremantle are still into him big time and are very confident they can get him. 

[the fork 357]

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Edited October 3, 2017 by the fork

[dazzledavey36 48,765]

24 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Nahhh.

To state what you have with such confidence is a bit silly given how crazy trade week is when it’s underway.

Wouldn't say it was with confidence. Just a general feeling that I have. I know that trade week can get quite hectic, but right now atm im just set on Basically and Lever.

[the fork 357]

23 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

Which was unexpected. 

It wasnt plannned. he approached us.

Loke i said. Unless something crazy happens i wont be surprised if nothig else happens

You never made the dinstinction and the distinction is irrelevant. Planned trades and unexpected trades all bare the same result.

 

Edited October 3, 2017 by the fork

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

12 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

I think that is exactly the attitude the MFC took back in 2009 when they failed to even interview Dusty who was a widely regarded top 5 pick. At the time I thought he would be a good option as we had picks 1 and 2. Take Scully at one as the outstanding endurance athlete of the draft and although Trengove looked good I wanted Dusty for that mongrel element the list needed. Scully and Trengrove were always the vanilla, nice boys option for my thinking. But yes Dusty would have struggled to fit in at MFC but he also had problems at the Tigers and shopped himself around only 2 or 3 years ago with no takers believe it or not! What a transformation. Maybe an omen for Jack Watts if we can't do a trade and he ends up back at home? However I suspect we will take any offer and there will be suiters because he has a much less threatening demeanour. 

 

Yes Earl exactly what i was getting at. Strange they didnt interview a top 5 pick?? I really wonder what they were told? At the time I also thought, as did a lot of people that he would have been a good fit for the MFC. Sadly it was not to be.

[dieter 3,325]

4 minutes ago, Wadda We Sing said:

Yes Earl exactly what i was getting at. Strange they didnt interview a top 5 pick?? I really wonder what they were told? At the time I also thought, as did a lot of people that he would have been a good fit for the MFC. Sadly it was not to be.

You  want to forget - apart from the fact that hindsight is so easy and obvious - that Richmond tried to sell off Martin for years and nobody wanted to go near him.

A fact.

[old55 21,339]

I think there is another trade in addition to Lever in the works.

There's not a lot of difference between:

1. Lever for 10 + 27
2. Lever + 34 for 10 + 2018 1st rounder

MFC prefer the 1st option and Adelaide prefer the 2nd

But MFC have another trade that needs a 1st rounder, that's the problem.

A possible solution that is a small upgrade to Adelaide on both these deals is:

• Lever + 16 for 10 + 2018 1st rounder + 27

Gives MFC 16 + Watts for a further trade.

[mo64 5,209]

18 minutes ago, trout said:

Fremantle are still into him big time and are very confident they can get him. 

Well they would be wong. Mahoney couldn't be clearer that Hogan isn't going anywhere.

[Scipio 5,868]

45 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

At least the Hogan crap seems to have gone away 

The Hogan crap that likely started here?

[Clintosaurus 6,439]

12 minutes ago, Luther said:

The Hogan crap that likely started here?

Or with Kim Hagdorn.

[Red and Bluebeard 2,033]

1 hour ago, chook fowler said:

As long as he doesn't take the last kick of the match for a win.

So trade him for Jack Watts and then ... oh, wait That would be a very pre-2014 Melbourne trade

[Damo 2,995]

21 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

I think there is another trade in addition to Lever in the works.

 

If there is another player about as valuable as Lever looking to get to us, then I would probably prefer to work with the players list than sell the future picks. If so then it looks more and more like J Hogan who may be packing his bags. I would prefer to see Brayshaw and later picks from next year, not 1st round.

[Skin Deeamond 339]

2 minutes ago, Franky_31 said:

If there is another player about as valuable as Lever looking to get to us, then I would probably prefer to work with the players list than sell the future picks. If so then it looks more and more like J Hogan who may be packing his bags. I would prefer to see Brayshaw and later picks from next year, not 1st round.

High draft picks are a big gamble. Look at some of the players we got recently eg Cale Morton at pick 4, Lucas Cook, etc etc. we should trade the high draft picks for good AFL- proven players.

[Damo 2,995]

Yes but if Hogan IS looking to be out of here OR we could get a late 1st/early 2nd round for Brayshaw or the Wied, I could settle if there is a midfield gun looking to come across.

[old55 21,339]

5 minutes ago, Franky_31 said:

If there is another player about as valuable as Lever looking to get to us, then I would probably prefer to work with the players list than sell the future picks. If so then it looks more and more like J Hogan who may be packing his bags. I would prefer to see Brayshaw and later picks from next year, not 1st round.

Picks are over-valued.  I'd prefer to keep Hogan and Brayshaw than speculate in the 2018 1st round.

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

1 hour ago, dieter said:

You  want to forget - apart from the fact that hindsight is so easy and obvious - that Richmond tried to sell off Martin for years and nobody wanted to go near him.

A fact.

Oh wow really? Read the post D, its not about hindsight, i was talking to Earl about what was said at the time. I was living in Castlemaine back then, where he is from or around there, and the entire town was talking about him before he had even played an afl game. My point was i wonder what the MFC were told prior to the draft selections, since they didnt even look at him....and yes we know Richmond tried to sell him off......perhaps if you read Earl Hoods original post that may clarify.

Edited October 3, 2017 by Wadda We Sing

[Nasher 33,047]

1 hour ago, Fifty-5 said:

I think there is another trade in addition to Lever in the works.

There's not a lot of difference between:

1. Lever for 10 + 27
2. Lever + 34 for 10 + 2018 1st rounder

MFC prefer the 1st option and Adelaide prefer the 2nd

But MFC have another trade that needs a 1st rounder, that's the problem.

A possible solution that is a small upgrade to Adelaide on both these deals is:

• Lever + 16 for 10 + 2018 1st rounder + 27

Gives MFC 16 + Watts for a further trade.

What do you reckon about @Crystal Deesproposal for trade with Richmond:

Melbourne give: 10, 27, 45
Melbourne receive: 15, 17, 53

It satisfies Adelaide's demand for two first round picks, and keeps our 2018 first round pick up our sleeve for another trade. 

Edit: judging by Burton's behaviour in the media yesterday, and the reports of him walking out without replying to our offer of 10 + 27, the strategic plan should probably involve keeping the discussions with Adelaide themselves to a minimum, rather than seeking out a more complex deal with them.  They are fast developing a reputation of being unreasonable at the trade table.

[SFebes 4,692]

Melb making big play for pick 2 from GCS by using pick 10 and Watts and exchanging other picks. Back up for Lever going to draft. (apparently)

[old55 21,339]

2 minutes ago, Nasher said:

What do you reckon about @Crystal Deesproposal for trade with Richmond:

Melbourne give: 10, 27, 45
Melbourne receive: 15, 17, 53

It satisfies Adelaide's demand for two first round picks, and keeps our 2018 first round pick up our sleeve for another trade. 

It's fine. 15 + 17 for Lever.  Same ball park as the 3 I proposed above, probably better for us.

[Nasher 33,047]

1 minute ago, SFebey said:

Melb making big play for pick 2 from GCS by using pick 10 and Watts and exchanging other picks. Back up for Lever going to draft. (apparently)

That's nice from the MFC's view, but for a club without a coach, GCS would be putting a fair bit on the line for a player like Watts.  If I were Jack's manager I'd strongly suggest he looks at clubs with very strong cultures; and the advice from the player and his manager will dictate which club(s) the MFC focuses its deals on.

[SFebes 4,692]

Just now, Nasher said:

That's nice from the MFC's view, but for a club without a coach, GCS would be putting a fair bit on the line for a player like Watts.  If I were Jack's manager I'd strongly suggest he looks at clubs with very strong cultures; and the advice from the player and his manager will dictate which club(s) the MFC focuses its deals on.

Agree. Only a rumour and as we know 95% of them don't come true. While I'm fed up with Jack I still want to see him do well, a strong culture is what he needs.

[FarNorthernD 5,840]

6 minutes ago, SFebey said:

Melb making big play for pick 2 from GCS by using pick 10 and Watts and exchanging other picks. Back up for Lever going to draft. (apparently)

Why would Watts want to go to the GCS? He doesn't want to leave Vic, he doesn't want to leave the MFC and can you imagine him wanting to jump from a probable finals side to another basket case? That rumour doesn't make sense