I have read many of the posts on this thread and they are pretty harsh. He's a complicated human being but a human being just the same. Granted he has issues but has also had had a tough unbringing by all reports

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Lemme grab me chips and a drink

20 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

 

of course there is an entitlement too offence.

No there isn't.

12 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

What have the Romans or the English for that matter, supply ever done for us eh, You could say! 

Actually it would be interesting to know the life expectancy of our indigenous peoples pre contact. The more you read about their known life styles as it is being reinterpreted in recent times (refer Bruce Pascoe) it seems they may have done as well as anybody up until the recent invention of pharmaceuticals. They had no viral, contagious diseases, no plagues, no bacterial diseases associated people living in close proximity in cities. And they only worked a few hours a day to meet their food requirements because they weren't required to supply arms and time to some hierarchical tyrant and his army. Which was a requirement of European society of the day. 

Other than that trade has been good for everyone. 

 

Interesting subject though. 

Most of those diseases occurred after the domestications of farm animals. Given the Aborigines didn't really have cows, sheep etc domesticated I'd say the life expectancy was quite good after you made it through childhood.

I've also read something similar that the life style of our ancestral hunter gatherers was potentially better than what we have today. Except for those with a birth defect and the elderly who were often killed so they wouldn't slow down the group. 

 

RBG said:  That all said, anyone who throes Eddie under a bus has my support.

20 hours ago, daisycutter said:

hard to find fault with that, rbg

...yeah, except the f###ing auto correct throes for throws!  Didn't notice until now.  Is that the point you were actually making lol.

9 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Not particularly fond of the English myself being of Irish/Scottish/Romany origin, but my ancestors probably helped populate Australia, not by choice of course

They either did or they didn't.

You're just another to and from to me.

 

11 hours ago, Demons1858 said:

I have read many of the posts on this thread and they are pretty harsh. He's a complicated human being but a human being just the same. Granted he has issues but has also had had a tough unbringing by all reports

And yet he has continually bitten the hand that feeds him.

To my mind, Harry seems to have this continual need to have people stop and applaud him. Not for what he has done (this is a societal trend where celebrity equates to occupation) but for having this mythical quality that provides him with a greater understanding of the Universe than you or I can ever have. And if we don't applaud his every utterance, he spits the dummy and points to colour. That's ok when you're making great money as an AFL player, comical/sad when you're working 9 to 5 at Spotless .

Good luck to him but he's in for a reality check sooner rather than later.

Anyone catch the doco tonight?

He is a fairly strange cat. Wonder if he got on with anyone at the Dees.

Came across a mixture of sensitive, arrogant and passionate. I don't think people at Collingwood would have been that excited every time he tried to make a stand!

The cheese has slid off the cracker with this nob.Lets.Have a look at the way he left Melbourne Football Club.

Self indulgent crap.

I cant believe some of the supporting comments from the soft [censored] brigade.

On 8/19/2017 at 11:25 AM, daisycutter said:

side by side?

Good to see you dudes protecting the greatest Oz Cricketer who was, after all, a German...

On 8/19/2017 at 6:58 PM, chook fowler said:

A narcissist with an over-inflated sense of entitlement 

Are we talking about Trump, Kim Jong Un or Lumumba ????

Fair enough to not call him Chimp.

Is it fair enough though that he made us Chumps !! 

I would describe him as unique, bit like John Steffensen but not in the positive.

i wonder if he was mistaking 'champ' for 'chimp'

nah......it was the filth

3 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

i wonder if he was mistaking 'champ' for 'chimp'

nah......it was the filth

Were there many Kiwis there ? 

It sounds like everyone who's us anything to do with him has had issues

5 hours ago, 64" said:

I cant believe some of the supporting comments from the soft [censored] brigade.

Soft [censored] brigade? Maybe some people see beyond his being a player who failed our club.  Sure he was an attention seeker, but that wasn't always a bad thing.  I'd say the real soft [censored] are the posters that take the easy way out and simply dismiss him as an arrogant [censored].

44 minutes ago, hardtack said:

Soft [censored] brigade? Maybe some people see beyond his being a player who failed our club.  Sure he was an attention seeker, but that wasn't always a bad thing.  I'd say the real soft [censored] are the posters that take the easy way out and simply dismiss him as an arrogant [censored].

Agree 'hardtack', although at times (a lot of times) he appeared somewhat misguided it's his view. You would really need to walk in his shoes to fully understand.

Maybe for some it would be worth getting past the headline and preconceived ideas and at least considering what he has to say. But I think that a lot and of a lot of people and situations. Unfortunately we seem to deal in headlines, scandal and quick grabs without taking the time to dig a bit deeper.

Also, unfortunately some are just going for the quick grab and set us all up in the process.

I thought the interview on SEN this morning with Andrew Krakouer was excellent by the way, he told his story well.

Lumumba needs help. Its not even funny anymore.

 

On 19/08/2017 at 8:36 AM, don't make me angry said:

When a nickname became racist that just too far. They called me wog a guess that's fine by you. Maybe you should be ban for your racist view, just disgraceful, when I said same thing  homophobic I was banned for a month.

 

 Whelan the wrecker is on the staff

Wasn't there that fairly successful NSW cricketer who was known as power points and took it on board?

On 19/08/2017 at 9:16 AM, daisycutter said:

we could start with warnie's statue tomorrow at the g. biff

but if the haters go for ronnie's statue then deserve all the violence they will get

Or Jimma's

On 19/08/2017 at 3:07 PM, Biffen said:

You could say that.

They bought trade, shipping,medicine,engineering,trains,sewerage and the rule of law not to mention cricket,Gin ,Rum , Beer ,Botany and Mapping.

You could say the general life expectancy of all of us in Australia is greatly improved by it.As well as in most continents, if not all.

Not to mention quality of life.

 

 

Presumably Biff you are not a Darebin or a Yarraville councilor ?

On 19/08/2017 at 5:14 PM, ProperDee said:

"Chimp" clearly not acceptable. "F log" is much more appropriate.

Maybe he misheard and it was really chump?

Though given his outlook more likely champ. 

rjay, melbourne went out of there way to accommodate this professional manipulator.He continually identifies with himself as being victimised.The touchy feely brigade obviously see him as such including you.

I wish posters would take their hate and ignorance to the DL dark web - or the comments section of almost any Hun article - and stay off the main board. 

And please do not take this an invite to spew comments like 'oh the nasty PC police are shutting down the majority voice again. Us white middle class men are the real victims here'

22 minutes ago, 64" said:

rjay, melbourne went out of there way to accommodate this professional manipulator.He continually identifies with himself as being victimised.The touchy feely brigade obviously see him as such including you.

See, there you go again...

You don't even know what I think of Lumumba, his time at Melbourne or his view of the world but it has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

So, if you do some research you might see that I didn't think we should have brought him into the club in the first place and I was happy to see the end of him.

He was a Roos vanity exercise.

However this has nothing to do with some of the points he is making, and I stress some.

I don't know if he is a victim or not, I think he is a very lucky man to have the opportunities he had and still has. He has a voice that for better or worse gets heard unlike most of us.

...but, I think we are over some of the nicknames that are offensive to some, him included. Also, there are racist elements in society as you well know. I actually happen to think they go both ways. I also think there are major indigenous issues to be sorted out and am interested in all opinions. I don't think the victim mentality and a lot of side issues really helps the debate but someone might convince me otherwise.

So, there you go. I'm not left or right, I have my own opinions and they are flexible. That means I like to listen and consider other peoples opinion.

...so go ahead and label me whatever you like. I actually hate labels myself, a bit of a simple way to look at life.