NT disaster

[Bring-Back-Powell 15,249]

29 minutes ago, old dee said:

Spot on Jack.

when you look at the years mentioned with the exception of last year we could not win a game anywhere. That chart means nothing. Good teams win anywhere bad teams lose most of the time irrespective of the location. Why did we lose at Ethiad for a decade? Because we had the worst team in the league. 

Even so, a lot of those losses were way over the odds, even by our lowly standards pre Roos days.

Fancy losing to a highly mediocre North of 2013 by 122 points and barely managing 25 points for the entire game!

Or losing to Essendon who's season was dead and buried the week before by the 4-9 Saints by 110 points and Hird was a dead coach walking that week.

Or let's flash back to last year when we were a half ok side. We played the Saints after Darwin at Etihad and conceded 7 goals in a row either side of half time and also the final 5 goals of the game.

We're as flat as pancakes after Darwin and my list of losses perfectly illustrates our struggles IMO. 

[PaulRB 6,432]

2 hours ago, Roger Mellie said:

How is this so? His argument is we lose (often badly) the week after a Darwin game and has provided precise evidence in chronological order. 

Old Dee nailed it... but by way of illustration... I checked the results for the game we played BEFORE the Darwin game,... and...

WE LOST THEM ALL!!!! OMG the Darwin kills us works before we play there too!!!

 

Let's take a look at the results the week BEFORE and (after) all our Darwin trips:

2010 - BEFORE Darwin West Coast 29 point loss (Carlton 41 points loss - actually it was a 54 point loss to Geelong)

2011 - BEFORE Darwin Western Bulldogs 64 point loss (Hawthorn 54 point loss)

2012 - BEFORE Darwin Fremantle 34 point loss (North 54 point loss)

2013 - BEFORE Darwin Geelong 68 point loss (North 122 point loss (LOL!))

2014 - BEFORE Darwin Western Bulldogs 6 point loss (Geelong 66 point loss)

2015 - BEFORE Darwin Geelong 24 point loss (Essendon 9 point loss (after Essendon copped a 110 point loss the week before amidst the Hird crisis))

2016  - BEFORE Darwin Adelaide 22 point loss (St Kilda 36 point loss (completely ran out of gas in the last qtr))...

PS the fact we played Geelong during their golden era three times after Darwin hurt as well...

Edited July 13, 2017 by PaulRB

[Demons11 7,096]

3 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I Hope so.

If we come out flat next week V's Port and lose badly, then that's the final straw for me.

Let's take a look at the results the week after all our Darwin trips:

2010 - Carlton 41 points loss

2011 - Hawthorn 54 point loss

2012 - North 54 point loss

2013 - North 122 point loss (LOL!)

2014 - Geelong 66 point loss

2015 - Essendon 9 point loss (after Essendon copped a 110 point loss the week before amidst the Hird crisis)

2016  - St Kilda 36 point loss (completely ran out of gas in the last qtr)

 

These stats mean nothing.  We were lucky to be winning 4 games a year during this period.  

[Demons11 7,096]

3 hours ago, Deespicable said:

I just read the following and was shocked to see we had again not taken advantage of what Darwin offers in terms of rehab, not to mention the team bonding component of a week away.

I was already shocked and disappointed when our club hierarchy tried to make out we were getting out and conducting training sessions in Alice Springs in late May. In actual fact all bar Dion Johnstone, Declan Keilty and I think one other attended an outback community clinic - the rest spent just one night in Alice Springs.

That was somewhat understandable - Alice Springs is very much a backwater and has poor recovery facilities.  So getting Virgin Airlines to agree to a late night Saturday return flight to Melbourne can be viewed as highly practical ... even clever.

But this is different.

We are now in the middle of winter and have already seen a spate of soft-tissue injuries. And Darwin is not a backwater - it has genuinely good facilities and a sporting precinct.

It is a perfect place for our players to get away and put in a solid week of preparation without having to don tights and fear sprinting full pelt. It could have been a godsend for the likes of Nathan Jones, Wattsy, Salem and Dom to get some decent speed sessions in as they attempt to overcome their injuries. But more importantly it was a rare chance for someone like Jack Trengove, who is deemed to be too slow, to get in some serious sprint work - without having to fear whether they had sufficently warmed up enough bracing Melbourne's cold.

It was also the chance for our players to really embrace the NT community - to conduct special clinics with the talented locals and really spruik our brand in the region.

To me, we have come a really long way under Jacko.

But we continue to pay NT lip service and just take the money and run.

Are we really that poor still that we cannot afford to spend a week's accom in Darwin on our team?

Or is there something more sinister at brew - we are about to ditch the NT program outright?    

Anyone with inside information feel free to comment. 

 http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-07-13/no-darwin-trip-for-injured-demon-duo

Gawn mentioned on RSN this morning that they are trying to keep the same routine for all interstate trips.  

It seems to be working for us this year

[Diamond_Jim 12,687]

Actually what is interesting here is Adelaide's view on the match.

I assume they are a willing participant and are being paid by the NT government to show up.

Slightly surprising as they are a very wealthy club and don't need the angst of playing in tropical conditions in a tight year.

On a radio interview Peter Gordon said he would want $1M for the Dogs to participate in China (over and above expenses) so that is the value he put on the home game.

The other question is what crowd would we have got in Melbourne and how much would we have made.

[Skuit 10,031]

I know I wouldn't spend a week hanging around Darwin if I didn't have to.

[deelete my account 1,194]

3 hours ago, PaulRB said:

Highly selective stats used there, as you'd get a similar picture listing games played after playing out West, in Adelaide, in Geelong,... well anywhere in fact.

Good teams win on the road, and win after they've been on the road... whining about the NT windfall, a windfall that has basically generated our entire profit for the past three years is not only defeatist, but ungracious.

And if this NT deal costs us a top 4 spot with a flat performance in our 8 point game against Port, won't it have taken away (edit) Fri/Sat night home semi final at the MCG profits or Fri/Sat Night Home Preliminary Final profits ? How much would that cut into the NT deal?

Edited July 13, 2017 by DominatrixTyson

[dl4e 5,851]

8 minutes ago, DominatrixTyson said:

And if this NT deal costs us a top 4 spot with a flat performance against Port, won't it have taken away a potential semi final mcg home final and probable 2 away finals (qualifier and prelim) - How much will that cut into the NT deal profits?

Take it a step further. Darwin could cost us a place in the finals. I don't care what anybody thinks the game the week after will be really tough. 

[old dee 24,001]

6 minutes ago, dl4e said:

Take it a step further. Darwin could cost us a place in the finals. I don't care what anybody thinks the game the week after will be really tough. 

It is tough to beat Port any time 

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, dl4e said:

Take it a step further. Darwin could cost us a place in the finals. I don't care what anybody thinks the game the week after will be really tough. 

Yeah it could.

But without PJ and Darwin and the AFL's assistance would we be where we are.  And where we are IMO is pretty exciting.

[deelete my account 1,194]

3 minutes ago, Stretch Johnson said:

Yeah it could.

But without PJ and Darwin and the AFL's assistance would we be where we are.  And where we are IMO is pretty exciting.

Perhaps PJ could put some pressure on the AFL for the favorable fixturing of a Melbourne vs 18th from the year before match, for the week after every Darwin game?

Edited July 13, 2017 by DominatrixTyson

[Flemo56 409]

2 hours ago, hardtack said:

Is that in the 'records we need to break' thread? If not, it probably should be.

We beat the baggers before going to Darwin......half the record we need to break

[Diamond_Jim 12,687]

19 minutes ago, Stretch Johnson said:

Yeah it could.

But without PJ and Darwin and the AFL's assistance would we be where we are.  And where we are IMO is pretty exciting.

$20 per member would give us the same financial result without the risk of the downside

[beelzebub 23,390]

22 minutes ago, old dee said:

It is tough to beat Port any time 

So why make it harder ?

[old dee 24,001]

I give up 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

$20 per member would give us the same financial result without the risk of the downside

Yeah it would...and that would sort out the financial side if we can squeeze it out of every member.  

But this year and next I believe we remain at the mercy of the AFL and need to deal with it. 

We suckled at the teat of the AFL and we knew that there would be a price to pay.  it's not ideal but it was a business decision that had a fair amount of merit.

When we have sixty thousand members next year we reap the benefits and instead of asking for charity can begin to make demands.

 

[jnrmac 20,276]

3 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Do you have a Demonland 'Bat Phone', Saty?  Every time something critical comes up you come out of the woodwork to post about it.

He's just finished licking Jetta's boots clean after the weekend.

[jnrmac 20,276]

12 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

$20 per member would give us the same financial result without the risk of the downside

Downside? We are 3 wins and 5 losses at the MCG We have won every interstate game this year. The only club to have done so.

 

[Roger Mellie 4,173]

1 hour ago, PaulRB said:

Old Dee nailed it... but by way of illustration... I checked the results for the game we played BEFORE the Darwin game,... and...

WE LOST THEM ALL!!!! OMG the Darwin kills us works before we play there too!!!

 

Let's take a look at the results the week BEFORE and (after) all our Darwin trips:

2010 - BEFORE Darwin West Coast 29 point loss (Carlton 41 points loss - actually it was a 54 point loss to Geelong)

2011 - BEFORE Darwin Western Bulldogs 64 point loss (Hawthorn 54 point loss)

2012 - BEFORE Darwin Fremantle 34 point loss (North 54 point loss)

2013 - BEFORE Darwin Geelong 68 point loss (North 122 point loss (LOL!))

2014 - BEFORE Darwin Western Bulldogs 6 point loss (Geelong 66 point loss)

2015 - BEFORE Darwin Geelong 24 point loss (Essendon 9 point loss (after Essendon copped a 110 point loss the week before amidst the Hird crisis))

2016  - BEFORE Darwin Adelaide 22 point loss (St Kilda 36 point loss (completely ran out of gas in the last qtr))...

PS the fact we played Geelong during their golden era three times after Darwin hurt as well...

We'll have to agree to disagree. I don't dispute we were crap, but I cant pretend the conditions and travel didn't have any bearing on the team's performance. I remember reading how players would lose 4kgs and more after the game. We are an older, better and more experienced team in 2017, but I still anticipate a fair toll on the players after Saturday.

[John Crow Batty 8,880]

Our opposition have not fared well the week after Darwin either though most were better sides than us at the time. 2 wins, 4 losses and one bye. 

[faultydet 7,623]

The travel/heat/fatigue factor would have been weighed up against bringing in Watts and Tyson this week.

 

2 x talented bodies to freshen the team up for the following weeks game, and if Viney gets his wish and makes it back also, we may be quite competitive against Port.

[Stingray 157]

1 hour ago, PaulRB said:

Old Dee nailed it... but by way of illustration... I checked the results for the game we played BEFORE the Darwin game,... and...

WE LOST THEM ALL!!!! OMG the Darwin kills us works before we play there too!!!

 

Let's take a look at the results the week BEFORE and (after) all our Darwin trips:

2010 - BEFORE Darwin West Coast 29 point loss (Carlton 41 points loss - actually it was a 54 point loss to Geelong)

2011 - BEFORE Darwin Western Bulldogs 64 point loss (Hawthorn 54 point loss)

2012 - BEFORE Darwin Fremantle 34 point loss (North 54 point loss)

2013 - BEFORE Darwin Geelong 68 point loss (North 122 point loss (LOL!))

2014 - BEFORE Darwin Western Bulldogs 6 point loss (Geelong 66 point loss)

2015 - BEFORE Darwin Geelong 24 point loss (Essendon 9 point loss (after Essendon copped a 110 point loss the week before amidst the Hird crisis))

2016  - BEFORE Darwin Adelaide 22 point loss (St Kilda 36 point loss (completely ran out of gas in the last qtr))...

PS the fact we played Geelong during their golden era three times after Darwin hurt as well...

Whether Darwin was true effect or a butterfly flapped its wings somewhere in Eastern Europe the day before.....that is one ugly mother [censored] of a list! Gee I'm glad 2017 has been a very different year.

id love to wake up Monday morning a week from now to the same list that finishes:

2017 BEFORE Darwin WIN - Carlton by 8 points (darwin win Adelaide by 20 points) WIN post Darwin port 28 points 

[Satyriconhome 10,880]

4 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Do you have a Demonland 'Bat Phone', Saty?  Every time something critical comes up you come out of the woodwork to post about it.

Just the boring repititious stuff that reappears like a bad smell, this issue has been done to death, live with it

[beelzebub 23,390]

6 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Just the boring repititious stuff that reappears like a bad smell, this issue has been done to death, live with it

Irony

[monoccular 17,642]

3 hours ago, DominatrixTyson said:

Perhaps PJ could put some pressure on the AFL for the favorable fixturing of a Melbourne vs 18th from the year before match, for the week after every Darwin game?

There can be NO reason, other than typical AFL bloody mindedness, that the Darwin game cannot be scheduled immediately before both teams have a bye.  No reason whatsoever, and I hope PJ pushes this for next year.