Brad Green on Dean Bailey

[jnrmac 19,131]

2 hours ago, Biffen said:

One benefit of that day was that WE demanded to know WTF was going on.

Chris Cuddles Connolly Looks fairly average in all this.

I know you are obsessed with CS but the whole club was rotten with self serving stake holders.

We were a club that you went to if you had nowhere else to go.

I watched them train on the beach prior to that year.Jared Rivers just pulled up stumps early and started joking with Barry P. 

The tails were wagging the dog.

 

Wasn't there something to do with CC and Schwab making changes to the players' super or playing payments? They were consipiring to do something like that and the players revolted?

Where is that Andrews report by the way?? 

[Sir Why You Little 34,658]

3 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Wasn't there something to do with CC and Schwab making changes to the players' super or playing payments? They were consipiring to do something like that and the players revolted?

Where is that Andrews report by the way?? 

Yes The Andrews Report would tell a lot. 

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

14 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

Unfortunately as you noted, Jimmy was unwell and the easy option was DB getting the chop (even without the white ants). The players from that time were totally bereft of leadership and games like 186, the Bombers drubbing etc happened to often.

Seeing PJ speak, act and turn our club around compared to $chwab is planets apart. We are in good hands and thank f for that.

Amen to that

[beelzebub 22,244]

What it was was a huge display of disrespect for the jumper. Quite frankly most of them ought have just hung it up  ( the jumper)  left the change rooms , left the  ground..and just kept going.

I suspect there's more than a healthy amount of reinvention in various recollections as to what happened and all the whiles someone is incapable of reply.

If I was Brad Id just stfu.

[Deeoldfart 7,791]

What did Brad Green say that for??

There was a putrid stench about the place back then, and internal power struggles tore the heart out of our Club.  I suspect many people were culpable, but we will probably never know the full story.  What I do know however, is that each and every one of us loyal supporters were cut to the core.  We were foremost amongst the innocent victims!  There was no longer any pride in being a Melbourne supporter.

It took far too long, but thank christ we have finally left all that behind.  Hope has been restored, and with it some excitement and positive expectations.  It's good to be a Melbourne supporter again!  

I can't thank the architects and builders of our revival enough!

[Nasher 33,133]

2 hours ago, Vogon Poetry said:

Did I miss something?  Where was the player protest?

Read on - I retracted but left the post in place as I was quoted several times. I am guilty of circulating rumour as fact.

Edit: I've removed my post and all references to it.

[The Chazz 4,077]

I still am ropable with the 22 muppets that ran out on the ground that day.  They complained to Stynes about the way the Club was operating.  They wanted change.  They had the option of showing public support for their coach, and at the same time giving their opinions credibility, by coming out and beating Geelong that day.  Alas, they took the easy option of a revolt, and ended up backing themselves, and the coach they apparently adored, in to a corner that had one unpleasant way out.

Bloke like Green, Rivers, Dunn, Jamar, Sylvia and Moloney were dead to me after that game.  I felt for McKenzie, Trengove, Garland, and in some ways Frawley, who all tried as hard as they could. 

I will never forget that game.  I watched it all (on TV thank Christ).  I didn't get angry.  I wasn't even shocked.  A piece of the MFC died in me that day, and I'm as one-eyed and as passionate as anyone on here.  And to top it off, of all clubs it had to be against, it had to be them.  

[Sir Why You Little 34,658]

8 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

I still am ropable with the 22 muppets that ran out on the ground that day.  They complained to Stynes about the way the Club was operating.  They wanted change.  They had the option of showing public support for their coach, and at the same time giving their opinions credibility, by coming out and beating Geelong that day.  Alas, they took the easy option of a revolt, and ended up backing themselves, and the coach they apparently adored, in to a corner that had one unpleasant way out.

Bloke like Green, Rivers, Dunn, Jamar, Sylvia and Moloney were dead to me after that game.  I felt for McKenzie, Trengove, Garland, and in some ways Frawley, who all tried as hard as they could. 

I will never forget that game.  I watched it all (on TV thank Christ).  I didn't get angry.  I wasn't even shocked.  A piece of the MFC died in me that day, and I'm as one-eyed and as passionate as anyone on here.  And to top it off, of all clubs it had to be against, it had to be them.  

Well Said mate. 

I actually said close to all that to Brad Green during Summer 2011. 

He came in to my local cafè in Elwood (Jimmi Jamz) and i spoke to him for a good hour about what that game had done to supporters. 

I genuinely don't think he had thought about that angle. 

If those players had loved Bails as they say they did, they woud have played the BEST Game ever. They knew what was coming. 

Brad didn't argue too much when ihad finished either. 

Brad is a nice guy. But he was also niave to the bigger picture, as were a lot of people at the MFC and on here, myself included  

ADC was onto it early. I was scathing on him until i realized he was spot on

[Mazer Rackham 14,970]

14 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Well Said mate. 

I actually said close to all that to Brad Green during Summer 2011. 

He came in to my local cafè in Elwood (Jimmi Jamz) and i spoke to him for a good hour about what that game had done to supporters. 

I genuinely don't think he had thought about that angle. 

If those players had loved Bails as they say they did, they woud have played the BEST Game ever. They knew what was coming. 

Brad didn't argue too much when ihad finished either. 

Brad is a nice guy. But he was also niave to the bigger picture, as were a lot of people at the MFC and on here, myself included  

ADC was onto it early. I was scathing on him until i realized he was spot on

I'm betting he either called security or asked how to join the Masonic chapter of the Illuminati.

[DSP 1,488]

Anything that Cam Schwab was invloved in during his tenure was toxic. Bailey's sacking was handled so poorly.

Talk about a guy way out of his depth. NFI.

Single handidly set us back years.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Well Said mate. 

I actually said close to all that to Brad Green during Summer 2011. 

He came in to my local cafè in Elwood (Jimmi Jamz) and i spoke to him for a good hour about what that game had done to supporters. 

I genuinely don't think he had thought about that angle. 

If those players had loved Bails as they say they did, they woud have played the BEST Game ever. They knew what was coming. 

Brad didn't argue too much when ihad finished either. 

Brad is a nice guy. But he was also niave to the bigger picture, as were a lot of people at the MFC and on here, myself included  

ADC was onto it early. I was scathing on him until i realized he was spot on

Who is ADC?

[dieter 3,325]

4 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Who is ADC?

Attention Deficit Co-ordinator.

[Sir Why You Little 34,658]

1 hour ago, Ted Fidge said:

I'm betting he either called security or asked how to join the Masonic chapter of the Illuminati.

No he was genuinely interested to hear what was being discussed on the outside. 

Remember this is when the club was screaming for members....

[Sir Why You Little 34,658]

12 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Who is ADC?

america de cali

[Dee Vo 37]

It wasn't only the senior team that were on a "go slow" that day. Casey (11/6 win-loss) played the Cats (5/12 win-loss) in the curtain raiser and  Casey, on a still day, allowed the Cats to score 10 goals straight in the first quarter on the way to 31.6.192 to Casey 10.4.64.  Brendan Fevola who kicked 4 first half goals was seen leaving the ground at half time still in his footy gear.

It was reported at the time that Greg Healy & Garry Lyon visited the ailing Jimmy Stynes on the following morning (Sunday) and by 8pm Bailey was told he was sacked.  Lyon wasn't even at the match.

Wasn't Schwab told he was sacked on the Friday only to be re-instated on Saturday?

With Jimmy & Dean gone will we ever know the fully story? Can anyone shed any light on why Schwab was sacked then re-instated?

[Vogon Poetry 2,095]

6 minutes ago, Dee Vo said:

It wasn't only the senior team that were on a "go slow" that day. Casey (11/6 win-loss) played the Cats (5/12 win-loss) in the curtain raiser and  Casey, on a still day, allowed the Cats to score 10 goals straight in the first quarter on the way to 31.6.192 to Casey 10.4.64.  Brendan Fevola who kicked 4 first half goals was seen leaving the ground at half time still in his footy gear.

It was reported at the time that Greg Healy & Garry Lyon visited the ailing Jimmy Stynes on the following morning (Sunday) and by 8pm Bailey was told he was sacked.  Lyon wasn't even at the match.

Wasn't Schwab told he was sacked on the Friday only to be re-instated on Saturday?

With Jimmy & Dean gone will we ever know the fully story? Can anyone shed any light on why Schwab was sacked then re-instated?

I'm sure if you search previous discussions on this topic you'll find the answer.  Most have their views and I don't think it's useful to go over it all again.

Keep in mind there was a very strong cabal in place.  It helps join the dots. 

Healy and Lyon weren't involved with the club in an official capacity at the time yet they visited Stynes.  Go figure.

[John Crow Batty 8,273]

Those were times I would rather forget. Even on here there was a lot of fake news and disinformation selling the [censored] sandwich.

[Guest]

I know Greeny was asked a question, but can ex MFC club officials/ex players stop flogging this dead horse? 

I will own up and say that I did so last week in a thread. However, 186 has been dissected every way from Sunday by everyone who was there essentially. The only people interested in doing so are the ones with agendas. They are usually people who are no longer at the club (and usually prove why they had to be moved on by doing so).

It was a stage where we were the league's biggest embarrassment. Bails' treatment at the presser followed by the putrid year and a half of Neeld's reign of terror underline that. I have no wish to revisit those times.

Edited May 31, 2017 by Colin B. Flaubert

[beelzebub 22,244]

Colin...in a way we should never forget it but be can do it 'quietly'

Those involved... again stfu

Not interested in any reinvention or subliminal agenda.

They were dark days. A good man took one for the team...a team that quite frankly didnt deserve him.

[praha 10,294]

What a spud!

Green and a lot of his mates almost destroyed the club. Schwab and Co did a lot of bad things but all it takes is a game like that to really burn [censored] to the ground. It was an insult to fans and long term supporters who had say through 40+ year of garbage. 

The sooner we got rid of that core, the better. And I'm still of the belief that we won't be 100% free of losing culture until every player on the list in 2011 is gone.

[dieter 3,325]

10 minutes ago, praha said:

What a spud!

Green and a lot of his mates almost destroyed the club. Schwab and Co did a lot of bad things but all it takes is a game like that to really burn [censored] to the ground. It was an insult to fans and long term supporters who had say through 40+ year of garbage. 

The sooner we got rid of that core, the better. And I'm still of the belief that we won't be 100% free of losing culture until every player on the list in 2011 is gone.

So get rid of Watts, Jones, Garland, Jetta, Gawn, Spencer ? What a jaundiced, silly thing to say. There is a great saying, that within every ounce of adversity there are the seeds of prosperity. ( Coined that meself, I did. Reminds me of when I lost my reading glasses outside a Polish cake shop in Carnegie recently. I thought it was the end of the world. Within a week I had new reading glasses, prescription slightly altered and I can now see much better what a pooh state the world is in. Mind you, the Demons are travelling okay...)

[John Crow Batty 8,273]

1 hour ago, praha said:

What a spud!

Green and a lot of his mates almost destroyed the club. Schwab and Co did a lot of bad things but all it takes is a game like that to really burn [censored] to the ground. It was an insult to fans and long term supporters who had say through 40+ year of garbage. 

The sooner we got rid of that core, the better. And I'm still of the belief that we won't be 100% free of losing culture until every player on the list in 2011 is gone.

Some times I wonder about some of those players but relieved we haven't seen signs of those times this season so far. Last round in 2016 was like 186 lite to me. The look on the faces in the coaches box late in the game was very pained indeed. I hope we have finally moved on.

Edited May 31, 2017 by america de cali

[Demons1858 1,662]

For Green to suggest Dean's game plan was ahead of his time is strange at best. The 'attacking' game plan suited the cattle we had but wasn't going to propel us forward. Many like Brett Moloney were one way mids so when things went wrong in 2011 we got smashed on the score board. We often won or lost by big margins. Makes our current team look super consistent. The margins leading up to 186 were:

Draw, -45,+11,+90,bye,-54,+96,-41,-20,-47,+33,-88,+89,+27,-64,bye,+21-54,-186

The game flows from 'defensive minded' to 'offence minded' every few years but when it comes to grand final day the defensive minded teams typically win out. The reason offensive play seems to be more evident now is more about the rules committee and not forward thinking.

The club made many bad decisions during this time. Sacking Bailey was an acceptable and not unexpected outcome. The problem is that the rift between the players and Schwab was not addressed and it should have been at least by seasons end. Hiring Neeld was another terrible decision. Tanking is also likely to have played its part in fracturing the relationships at the club. Gary Lyon was said to have influenced the club to only sack one of Schwab and Bailey to not look like a basket case club and Jim agreed. Another of Gary’s great ideas

Edited May 31, 2017 by Demons1858

[Moonshadow 16,317]

I don't know. Just as we are on the right path and apear to be moving upwards, up comes 186 to drag our thoughts back to that putrid time and it's subsequent 2 years... Thanks Greeny.

[beelzebub 22,244]

3 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

I don't know. Just as we are on the right path and apear to be moving upwards, up comes 186 to drag our thoughts back to that putrid time and it's subsequent 2 years... Thanks Greeny.

Bloody Nth Melb