Forward set-up, with and without Jesse

[old dee 23,931]

33 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

This is slightly different, though.  If it was about contracts, a proper injury etc then speculate away.  But as @Lucifer's Hero said, this is a personal matter and something we should allow to play it's course until we know more.  Surely Hogan deserves some respect in this situation... ?

It is, but it doesn't mean you have to.  I like how you still want to have a dig at me as well.  Can't help yourself.

If you think I was having a dig at you I apologise it was not my intention.. We just have a difference of opinion I think.

i actually try not to have "digs" at people because they have a different opinion to me.

 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

5 minutes ago, old dee said:

If you think I was having a dig at you I apologise it was not my intention.. We just have a difference of opinion I think.

i actually try not to have "digs" at people because they have a different opinion to me.

 

Wasn't directed at you at all OD.  I have no problem with difference of opinion, I apologise you thought it was directed at you - it was at america de cali and his 'group think' dig.

[binman 44,243]

On 5/14/2017 at 10:23 AM, wellplayed31 said:

Neita spent a lot of time down back before becoming a gun forward. I reckon TMac showed what experience as a back man does for your performance up forward last night. You could almost feel his joy at taking on the positive role in the one on one contests. 

Tmac is also quite aggressive with his kicking, much to the chagrin of many. And prepared to take players on with his trademark side step/baulk. Up forward this aggression has a much better risk/reward balance. I loved the bit of play that set up the Garlett free kick and goal. 

Which he must love. I wonder if even with Hogan and Gawn back in the side they might give him some little burst up forward in some matches to keep the opposition unsettled and to free him up. 

[Cheesy D. Pun 1,765]

I think Hogan is a massive asset but we need to work out how to get everything ticking with him in the side. 

On the weekend, we played a four man forward line at times. If one of those 4 was Hogan, I think he would have had a field day with that much space. He is a great one on one mark, we need to work out how to isolate him.

I don't share the sentiment that we are better without him. If we hunt and tackle like we did on Saturday night and move the ball quickly and with decent efficiency, Hogan will cause massive headaches for any back line.

[old dee 23,931]

22 minutes ago, WAClark said:

I think Hogan is a massive asset but we need to work out how to get everything ticking with him in the side. 

On the weekend, we played a four man forward line at times. If one of those 4 was Hogan, I think he would have had a field day with that much space. He is a great one on one mark, we need to work out how to isolate him.

I don't share the sentiment that we are better without him. If we hunt and tackle like we did on Saturday night and move the ball quickly and with decent efficiency, Hogan will cause massive headaches for any back line.

Amen to that. 

[beelzebub 23,388]

1 hour ago, WAClark said:

I think Hogan is a massive asset but we need to work out how to get everything ticking with him in the side. 

On the weekend, we played a four man forward line at times. If one of those 4 was Hogan, I think he would have had a field day with that much space. He is a great one on one mark, we need to work out how to isolate him.

I don't share the sentiment that we are better without him. If we hunt and tackle like we did on Saturday night and move the ball quickly and with decent efficiency, Hogan will cause massive headaches for any back line.

yes we seem to have been worried about the fall of the ball etc and crowded the paddock...result...no one got it  ( well no one ina red and blue guernsey that is )

Less ...is...MORE

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

Is there any word on him yet? I know there's rumours galore... Forget all that... Has there been anything offical from the club, or failing that, something from a half decent journo about this week? Or an ETA?

[Demons11 7,061]

3 hours ago, Dappa Dan said:

Is there any word on him yet? I know there's rumours galore... Forget all that... Has there been anything offical from the club, or failing that, something from a half decent journo about this week? Or an ETA?

I believe something will be said tomorrow 

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

5 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

I believe something will be said tomorrow 

Much appreciated. Hope you don't mind a PM. lol

[Skuit 10,031]

9 hours ago, binman said:

Tmac is also quite aggressive with his kicking, much to the chagrin of many. And prepared to take players on with his trademark side step/baulk. Up forward this aggression has a much better risk/reward balance. I loved the bit of play that set up the Garlett free kick and goal. 

Which he must love. I wonder if even with Hogan and Gawn back in the side they might give him some little burst up forward in some matches to keep the opposition unsettled and to free him up. 

Sorry Bin - but I don't think that's the best bit of play to highlight. Tmac took quite a while to wheel around and load up when he saw Garlett on the open lead. Ended up putting it on our small-forward's head rather than a flat kick to advantage. Although Garlett can share some blame for running an angle away from the kicker - I think he expected Tmac to bomb long quicker and was hoping to run onto some of his bread and butter. 

[binman 44,243]

4 minutes ago, Skuit said:

Sorry Bin - but I don't think that's the best bit of play to highlight. Tmac took quite a while to wheel around and load up when he saw Garlett on the open lead. Ended up putting it on our small-forward's head rather than a flat kick to advantage. Although Garlett can share some blame for running an angle away from the kicker - I think he expected Tmac to bomb long quicker and was hoping to run onto some of his bread and butter. 

Th ekick out the back would have only worked if he had kicked it straight away but he was covered and handballed to Weed who basically gave it straight back to TMac. TMac then side steps and kicks long, a kick that was to Garletts advantage, levaing his opponent little option but to give a front on free kick. Well played i reckon

Edited May 15, 2017 by binman

[Skuit 10,031]

8 minutes ago, binman said:

Th ekick out the back would have only worked if he had kicked it straight away but he was covered and handballed to Weed who basically gave it straight back to TMac. TMac then side steps and kicks long, a kick that was to Garletts advantage, levaing his opponent little option but to give a front on free kick. Well played i reckon

Oh. We're talking about different occasions. The one I was referring to was the kick from half-back from Tyson.

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,464]

My mate in Melbourne just texted me. Press conference today with Hogan and Melbourne doctor.

Anyone confirm.....

[Gator 17,633]

On 5/14/2017 at 9:44 PM, old dee said:

I doubt there is anything wrong with him physically mono. There has been no explanation of "sick" that I have seen.

You see, this is the reason I like to wait for "facts".  I know it's unfashionable, but it's prudent.

The club said "illness" and I was prepared to take the club on face value until we heard otherwise.

I didn't like the rumours and innuendo by posters on here with the insinuation he had mental demons due to the death of his Father.

A lesson to all I would have thought.

[Lucifers Hero 40,490]

23 hours ago, old dee said:

Sorry LH I don't agree with the whole censorship business. Censorship has a habit of burying issues that should be talk about.

Just my opinion!

Not about censorship at all od - its about privacy imo.

We now have the very sad, sad news that Jesse has testicular cancer.  The club was absolutely right in protecting Jesse. 

In an ironic way your post is correct about not burying issues that should be talked about.  Testicular cancer is a major health issue for men and if there is to be a positive to this sad news, prompting others to be checked and open discussion will benefit many people.

[mo64 5,881]

Out of respect for Jesse, this thread should locked.

[bandicoot 1,395]

3 hours ago, mo64 said:

Out of respect for Jesse, this thread should locked.

What?? Hogan is out of the side for foreseeable future. The no hogan effect will hurt the side and should be discussed. 

Our forward line wasn't functioning well on the weekend before Goodwin made changes. 

Not sure we would want to be 28 points down every week and rely on Plans B and C.  

[old dee 23,931]

5 hours ago, mo64 said:

Out of respect for Jesse, this thread should locked.

So we cannot discuss how we cope without Jesse this season?

[mo64 5,881]

3 hours ago, bandicoot said:

What?? Hogan is out of the side for foreseeable future. The no hogan effect will hurt the side and should be discussed. 

Our forward line wasn't functioning well on the weekend before Goodwin made changes. 

Not sure we would want to be 28 points down every week and rely on Plans B and C.  

The OP was about whether we're a better side without Hogan, based on 3 good wins without him. By all means start a thread discussing how we'll cope without him, but that wasn't the intention of the OP.

[Young Blood 2,638]

Good to hear Tim Smith is only a week away from return.

Even if he's not fit enough just yet to play Goald Coast its good to know we've got another taller forward available for the next few weeks. Might take some pressure off Weids if he starts feeling the heat.

[old dee 23,931]

44 minutes ago, mongrel said:

Good to hear Tim Smith is only a week away from return.

Even if he's not fit enough just yet to play Goald Coast its good to know we've got another taller forward available for the next few weeks. Might take some pressure off Weids if he starts feeling the heat.

The thing that will take pressure off him is when he starts playing like an AFL level player

[Young Blood 2,638]

48 minutes ago, old dee said:

The thing that will take pressure off him is when he starts playing like an AFL level player

Not all 19 yr olds develop as quickly as Clayton. Give him a break. As cliche as it is, big men always take longer to develop. He didn't get the extra time that Jesse had at an AFL club. I thought he showed some really great signs with his aggression last week. Tackling was great and provided a contest. Couldn't have asked for much more from the young lad who has come in because of a shortage of 'AFL level players' at his position.

Edited May 16, 2017 by mongrel

[Moonshadow 17,678]

1 hour ago, mo64 said:

The OP was about whether we're a better side without Hogan, based on 3 good wins without him. By all means start a thread discussing how we'll cope without him, but that wasn't the intention of the OP.

That's just plain wrong.

The OP discussed the positions on the field Jesse might be of most value. 

I don't think it's disrespectful to discuss this, even with today's news.

I personally think the topic is based upon a very small sample of 3 games, but as long as posters are respectful of Jesse's current situation there is value discussing our structures and options when he's in the team and not in the team. Threads often morph and change direction. This thread can discuss options while Jesse is recovering from his cancer.

I don't agree necessarily with the OP but I don't think it's disrespectful.

There's a place for censorship and being PC. But within reason, this topic isn't one of them.

Edited May 16, 2017 by Moonshadow

[PaulRB 6,427]

If we can continue to improve and win more than we lose over the next 8 weeks, the prospect of adding Hogan and Gawn back in as we make our run towards finals is one to salivate over. 

Hogan healthy, fit and focused is a big weapon that we're yet to see the full potential of.

[junk 342]

Hope Hogan makes a speedy recovery,poor kid not having much luck lately.