Training - Friday 16th December, 2016

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23 hours ago, Tough Kent said:

Does anybody know anything about the training camp the boys are embarking upon tomorrow?? 

Army training style boot camp apparently.

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Many thanks for your reports one and all 

Maybe I have missed, but has Jesse's set shot routine and execution improved?  Has he got rid of the stutter?  How about his distance?

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18 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Many thanks for your reports one and all 

Maybe I have missed, but has Jesse's set shot routine and execution improved?  Has he got rid of the stutter?  How about his distance?

I mentioned it the other day, the stutter is not as pronounced, it's still there but runup is smoother, he is still kicking them from anywhere, contrary to the myth

As for BenKen, another who is ticking all the boxes, training as a small fwd when they break up into groups, hasn't been near the midfield

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On 18/12/2016 at 7:41 AM, Tough Kent said:

Thanks for the training reports guys. They are written in a way that make the rest of us feel like we are there and not missing a beat. Cheers!

Does anybody know anything about the training camp the boys are embarking upon tomorrow?? 

None of the players know, assume with Goody and Macca it will be left field, considering Goodwin took the new guys into a shark cage for their induction!!

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12 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

None of the players know, assume with Goody and Macca it will be left field, considering Goodwin took the new guys into a shark cage for their induction!!

Yeah. Fair to say they're expecting the worst.

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1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

I mentioned it the other day, the stutter is not as pronounced, it's still there but runup is smoother, he is still kicking them from anywhere, contrary to the myth

As for BenKen, another who is ticking all the boxes, training as a small fwd when they break up into groups, hasn't been near the midfield

Saty at the risk of derailing a perfectly good thread and against my better instincts (as i'm aware you have put it out there to see if you get a bite) but whilst Hogan many be able to kick them from anywhere at training it is no myth that from set shots (though not in field kicking, which suggests a technical issue) he has struggled in matches from anywhere beyond 45-50 metres to consistently get the distance and when he does get the distance he often misses striving for that extra distance.

I expect that he won't have this issue if his run up is smoother and he has improved his routine. 

Edited December 18, 2016 by binman

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7 minutes ago, binman said:

Saty at the risk of derailing a perfectly good thread and against my better instincts (as i'm aware you have put it out there to see if you get a bite) but whilst Hogan many be able to kick them from anywhere at training it is no myth that from set shots (though not in field kicking, which suggests a technical issue) he has struggled in matches from anywhere beyond 45-50 metres to consistently get the distance and when he does get the distance he often misses striving for that extra distance.

I expect that he won't have this issue if his run up is smoother and he has improved his routine. 

You're not derailing, I agree he has maybe struggled a couple of times with distance in games, especially when his confidence was down, but this was quickly turned into 'he has a major issue" as is the norm on here, I have watched him at training this year and he is definitely working on his goalkicking, including the run up, he has no issue with distance, hopefully this will translate into games.

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6six6's excellent photos from Friday show a montage of Hogan having a set shot. You can't tell whether he's "skipping" in his run up, but it seemed obvious to me he was holding the ball over the wrong (left) leg as he started his run up.

The only problem, though, is almost immediately afterwards there's a similar montage of Brayshaw also taking a set shot...and also starting holding the ball over his left leg before he kicks with his right. So, clearly I have no idea what's the right technique and what isn't.

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Just now, Satyriconhome said:

You're not derailing, I agree he has maybe struggled a couple of times with distance in games, especially when his confidence was down, but this was quickly turned into 'he has a major issue" as is the norm on here, I have watched him at training this year and he is definitely working on his goalkicking, including the run up, he has no issue with distance, hopefully this will translate into games.

Yep fair points. I absolutely agree that any suggestion of a major issue was/is silly and also agree confidence was a big factor. Technique played a part also, and i don't think it was necessarily only the stutter as he seemed to develop a more pronounced arc when kicking from distance.

I reckon in hindsight he would have been better off  not responding to the comments from Shwarz as it was a bit of a distraction.

The minor tweaks you have noted will be more than enough i reckon to resolve what as you say is not really a major issue.

I love how Lynch and his offsider two meter peter can bomb long. It makes them both super dangerous. If Hogan can start dobbing them from outside 50 it will make him even more of a weapon, particularly because he he is so hard to stop marking on those long leads which end out around the 50 metre mark. Exciting times.

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5 minutes ago, binman said:

I love how Lynch and his offsider two meter peter can bomb long. It makes them both super dangerous. If Hogan can start dobbing them from outside 50 it will make him even more of a weapon, particularly because he he is so hard to stop marking on those long leads which end out around the 50 metre mark. Exciting times.

Gee Goody and Macca will be disappointed, from what I see at training, they expect to finish a forward movement with a player taking a shot from well inside the 50

Edited December 18, 2016 by Satyriconhome

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1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

Gee Goody and Macca will be disappointed, from what I see at training, they expect to finish a forward movement with a player taking a shot from well inside the 50

Well yes that's the ideal as accuracy goes down in direct relation to distance from goal. But none the less players do end up having to take shots from the 50 metre arc. And everyone loves a bomb from outside 50!

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1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

Gee Goody and Macca will be disappointed, from what I see at training, they expect to finish a forward movement with a player taking a shot from well inside the 50

Why the sarcasm?

Most people know that the majority of goals are scored from around 30m out and therefore match sim drills are tailored to that.

Binman was merely stating that having big forwards with the capability to nail long goals can be very handy when the need arises.

A perfect example was when Lynch had the set shot from outside the arc to win the game against us this past season. You will recall that it just missed.

If Hoges was in the same situation, I wouldn't have felt the slightest bit confident.

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8 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Why the sarcasm?

Most people know that the majority of goals are scored from around 30m out and therefore match sim drills are tailored to that.

Binman was merely stating that having big forwards with the capability to nail long goals can be very handy when the need arises.

A perfect example was when Lynch had the set shot from outside the arc to win the game against us this past season. You will recall that it just missed.

If Hoges was in the same situation, I wouldn't have felt the slightest bit confident.

And Binman answered my 'joke'

Been discussing Hogan, hopefully he will be able to get one to sail through post height from 50 should the need arise, but then again I hope we have a few forwards capable of doing that, watched Watts launch one the other day from the centre square which did exactly that

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1 hour ago, binman said:

I love how Lynch and his offsider two meter peter can bomb long. It makes them both super dangerous. If Hogan can start dobbing them from outside 50 it will make him even more of a weapon, particularly because he he is so hard to stop marking on those long leads which end out around the 50 metre mark. Exciting times.

Fortunately Lynch didn't dob a goal with his last kick against us earlier this season. As Maxwell Smart would say, missed it by that much!

IMO 99.9% of people are not claiming the sky is falling in regards to Hogan's set shots, many believe a smoother approach and action might result in better accuracy. This looks to be happening at training of late. The coaches will be well aware of what he's doing. Jesse is young and will refine what works best over the next couple of years. Posters might differ in opinion on his routine, but we all want to see him make the most of set shots.

Edited December 19, 2016 by Moonshadow

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12 minutes ago, McQueen said:

A perfect example was when Lynch had the set shot from outside the arc to win the game against us this past season. You will recall that it just missed.

 

The most impressive example was that pest Rioli nailing a set shot from way outside 50 to beat the Swans at the SCG. The little bugger can do it all.

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13 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

IMO 99.9% of people are not claiming the sky is falling in regards to Hogan's set shots,

So when you type 'Hogan set shot' into the search bar on here and get 358 results they are all glowing praise?

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4 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

So when you type 'Hogan set shot' into the search bar on here and get 358 results they are all glowing praise?

I'm not going to get into an arguement with you saty, because you know that's not what I meant.

If you think that Hogan's stutter set shot routine in 2016 was fine, can I assume that you are telling him and the coaches that he should not change and go back to it?

Geez, round 1, 2017 cannot come quick enough.

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7 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

I'm not going to get into an arguement with you saty, because you know that's not what I meant.

If you think that Hogan's stutter set shot routine in 2016 was fine, can I assume that you are telling him and the coaches that he should not change and go back to it?

Geez, round 1, 2017 cannot come quick enough.

No I don't think it was fine because it doesn't look like the 'classical' way of running up to kick a goal, I also don't think it is as bad as some make out, if Jesse is comfortable with it or smooths it out all well and good, he has kicked nearly the same amount of goals as Jack Riewoldt had at the same point in their careers, and Jack has supposedly got one of the best kicking actions, so Jesse must be doing something right

As Peter Jackson said at the AGM, be patient with the young players

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Travis Cloke kicked them at training. Yes it's good Hogan is working on his routine but until gameday we won't know.

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18 hours ago, binman said:

Agree with all of the above. Was just fishing for another bet. That's really interesting comment about his listening skills and for some reason it doesn't surprise me. I think he is someone who has taken time to mature. The way he talks about Roos, Macc and Goodwin suggest they are three men who have found a way to connect. Which is what good coaching is all bout after all. 

It's a pretty important skill. Was just talking to someone from Hawthorn about Langford and they said the same. He's a see ball get ball kind of player but when they dont have the ball he is hopeless at keeping to structures and wanders around in all the wrong spots. They have tried and tried to educate him but its not working apparently....

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19 hours ago, binman said:

 The way he talks about Roos, Macc and Goodwin suggest they are three men who have found a way to connect. Which is what good coaching is all bout after all. 

I think it's just as much (or more so) the other one - the 'educator' Jennings (cant remember the first name).

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17 minutes ago, Roger Mellie said:

I think it's just as much (or more so) the other one - the 'educator' Jennings (cant remember the first name).

You could well be right. I like the cut of that fella's gib

Edited December 19, 2016 by binman

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18 minutes ago, binman said:

You could well be right. I like the cut of that fella's gib

Me too! In the end, it doesn't matter who finally flicked Watts' switch, just that it happened. It shows we've got a top notch coaching panel 

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On 12/16/2016 at 10:59 PM, Satyriconhome said:

Maybe, but being Liverpudlian

 

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One thing coming through loud and clear to me is the gap between our best and worst is almost shut.

What I mean by that is, previously we copped and injury or three to our star players and we were cactus due to the fact that our next tier were NQR.

What I now see is serious SERIOUS competetion for places and the next tier ready to take the slack of our elite players and... not lose to much class!

I see a very good year in the making! Very good indeed!