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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-trades-2016-hawks-build-war-chest-as-jordan-lewis-trade-looms-20161017-gs4bd6.html

"...Melbourne's original offer for Lewis last week was for pick 66. Hawthorn then said they wanted to keep the contracted player prompting the Demons to guarantee a third year and slightly more money in the contract offer to Lewis, something Hawthorn believes should be better reflected in the trade terms.

Great gamesmanship by Hawks - force us to up our bid to Lewis then use that to claim a higher pick! 

Like Essendon, another arrogant club with a sense of entitlement.  Regardless of what Lewis is worth I hope we don't fall for their antics!
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Had a good yarn to Lewis at the Sorrento pub last night, with a mutual friend. Tried not to bother him at too much length about footy but he's EXTREMELY excited about starting with the club and  

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10 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

 

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-trades-2016-hawks-build-war-chest-as-jordan-lewis-trade-looms-20161017-gs4bd6.html

"...Melbourne's original offer for Lewis last week was for pick 66. Hawthorn then said they wanted to keep the contracted player prompting the Demons to guarantee a third year and slightly more money in the contract offer to Lewis, something Hawthorn believes should be better reflected in the trade terms.

Great gamesmanship by Hawks - force us to up our bid to Lewis then use that to claim a higher pick! 

Like Essendon, another arrogant club with a sense of entitlement.  Regardless of what Lewis is worth I hope we don't fall for their antics!
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Ridiculous. Clarkson told him they wanted him to be used as trade bait for O'Meara! And they're hardly in any position to play hardball after giving away Mitchell for pick 88!

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7 minutes ago, SaberFang said:

Ridiculous. Clarkson told him they wanted him to be used as trade bait for O'Meara! And they're hardly in any position to play hardball after giving away Mitchell for pick 88!

Mitchell is going there for one year.  We get Lewis for three, of course he is going to be dearer in price.

Besides, precedents don't mean anything.  Each trade is its own beast.  Do you really think the conversation would go like this?
Hawthorn: We want pick 44 for Lewis.
Melbourne: You only got 88 for Mitchell.
Hawthorn: Oh, you're right! Darn, our mistake.  Pick 100 will do then.

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Hurry up Melbourne.....

Essendon mega deal for O'Meara a game changer

Yeah....I'd rather he go to Hawthorn.

I can't stand the thought of Essendon having any future success or anything to be smug about.

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Hurry up Melbourne.....

Essendon mega deal for O'Meara a game changer

Yeah. Unless the Hawks have Rockliff as Plan B, it's probably in their best interests to keep this Jordan Lewis trade waiting for a few days, or demand we give them a 2nd round pick to use for O'Meara. They might force JL to play for one more year if they can ONLY get Tom Mitchell this year. 

Essendon and Hawthorn are both fighting for our 2nd round picks and both working out whether they should delay or do the Lewis/Hibberd trades. 

A 3 way with the two worst clubs in the competition.

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Gotta be honest, if pick 44 is going to get this deal done, i reckon we should just hand it over and move on to Hibberd. 

there is no doubt in my mind pick 44 is still a steal for Lewis, both as a player and a leader.

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Gotta be honest, if pick 44 is going to get this deal done, i reckon we should just hand it over and move on to Hibberd. 

there is no doubt in my mind pick 44 is still a steal for Lewis, both as a player and a leader.

This is true, but we may as well shaft Hawthorn twice in one year

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Hating Hawthorn is fine, but is very silly not to give credit where it is due, they have been amazing with list management and performance over a long period, coping with Roughead going down etc.They were less than 1% off a 4th premiership and that was not the fault of a Lewis or Mitchell. And I think we can back our FD - Cross/Vince etc have all been excellent value.

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You fail to understand the significance of Lewis coming to Melbourne and for someone like you that has a fair amount of "self belief" I find that extraordinary.

Did you see the way The Bont, knocked the ball out of Hodges hands as he was about to handball it in the final, that didn't show much special self awareness then, did he.

You fail to understand that Luke Hodge and Sam Mitchell are two different people.

 

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You fail to understand that Luke Hodge and Sam Mitchell are two different people.

 

Next.

I'm fully aware of that, but they've kept him when, by your own standards, he should have been let go like the others. 

You follow the Hawthorn line, if you didn't you'd be asking why he didn't move Hodge along too.

 

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Lewis will be worth his weight in gold.  The stories, the training ethic, and the belief he'll be able to impart on our midfield will be enormous.  It's one thing having the coaches say we're building something special, but another to have a 4-time premiership peer to share their belief.

I do think Lewis is slowing down and was starting to get caught more than normal, but I also reckon he has enough footy left to walk in and be one of our top 3 mids.  Straight away he makes us better.  Lewis is a superb reader of the play, a ball magnet and very good user of the footy.  Just over a year ago he was AA, and in the final against Geelong he was Hawthorn's best player with 36 disposals.

Melbourne are developing an outnumber contested ball-winning team.  And Lewis will be super important in that pursuit for at least the next two years.

If you don't recognise the value he brings you haven't thought things through.

The guaranteed 3rd year concerns me but being positive Lewis will be surrounded by more ball contested ball winning mids than just Sam Mitchell. Hopefully he can rotate through half forward, he is a good mark for his size.

As as for the Hawks if their salary cap dumping giveaway of their 2 contested ball mids Mitchell and Lewis is all about creating cap space to attract 2017 free agents such as Fyfe or Martin my question is will they have enough depth of talent around O'Meara., Martin & Fyfe. Burton looks good but the rest of their young players are underwhelming or untested. It's hard to build depth if you are trading a first rounder plus 2 nd rounders as a minimum for 1 player.

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Lewis will be worth his weight in gold.  The stories, the training ethic, and the belief he'll be able to impart on our midfield will be enormous.  It's one thing having the coaches say we're building something special, but another to have a 4-time premiership peer to share their belief.

I do think Lewis is slowing down and was starting to get caught more than normal, but I also reckon he has enough footy left to walk in and be one of our top 3 mids.  Straight away he makes us better.  Lewis is a superb reader of the play, a ball magnet and very good user of the footy.  Just over a year ago he was AA, and in the final against Geelong he was Hawthorn's best player with 36 disposals.

Melbourne are developing an outnumber contested ball-winning team.  And Lewis will be super important in that pursuit for at least the next two years.

If you don't recognise the value he brings you haven't thought things through.

Convincing argument.

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